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[BowieZ]

Why the hell would anyone not buy the Deluxe?

I'll tell you why I'm buying the Basic:

- cheaper. (I really can't afford the extra $70 at the moment. It's only barely worth it for the bonus of Nintendo Land, except for the fact I'm going to buy it second hand for much less.)

- I can't afford to buy that many games these days so the Premium digital bonuses is something I can't really afford to invest in now. I may end up paying more for content in the long run, but it's not worth the hassle now, unfortunately. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure they'll let you purchase entry into the Premium program at a later date.

- I prefer white. I have 3 white Wii Remote controllers with 3 white Remote Plus add-on dongles. And I have a white 3DS (mushroom edition but yeah). I'll buy white stands and accessories and shit later down the track when I have more money.

- Finger prints will be less noticeable on the white.

 

[Bgamer90]

This "next-gen" "not next-gen" shit is like two insane lunatics rambling at each other where one is yelling about how he likes long socks and the other about how he prefers Tuesdays.

Heh, I never realized that it was such an on-going debate. I thought it was pretty straight forward though I guess Nintendo ruined things a bit with the Wii back in 2006.


It's Nitnendo's fault!!! (lol).

 

[Anticitizen One]

The wii u is 256 bit. Ps4 and Xbox next are presumably going to be 512-bit. That is a generational difference

 

[XtremeXpider]

It's simply what they state as being the successor to the 360 in answer to the competition (or the competition's future plans).

Whether or not people would view it as something that actually feels like a next gen console though is a different story.

Thats the point, it is "a new generation" from Nintendo hardware, but not all people will view it as a "next" generation because not all people looks for the same "changes", for some people, a next generation will be a console with a jump from PS360, even if Wii U is a new hardware.

 

[Always-honest]

An apology would be thew right thing here, Reggie.

 

[mrklaw]

So this is what politically savvy people feel when they watch politicians on TV.

Actually this feels worse.

When listening to professional politicians, they will swerve every awkward question and use every opportunity to steer the discussion to the points they want to make. They don't often blatantly lie, they just don't answer the questions.

That's what I'd expect from a top exec of a huge company. If you don't know the info, don't go into specifics. Maybe he was expecting a soft interview and got ambushed, maybe he got crap info from his team. Whatever, he has no excuse for his comment. The question he responded to wasn't even tricky, he should have a stock answer for that in his pocket. He'll, this thread has plenty of examples of what he could hhave said.

 

[Ranger X]

A "generation" of consoles if just machines released in the same time frame and meant to compete each other. Seriously, there's nothing else to it. It's not a hardware only thing (like on PC). It really is just a time and competition thing. Current gen is Wii/Ps3/360, next gen is "WiiU, PS4, 720".

 

[IrishNinja]

The wii u is 256 bit. Ps4 and Xbox next are presumably going to be 512-bit. That is a generational difference

sega saturn and jaguar where in the same gen, these things happen man

A "generation" of consoles if just machines released in the same time frame and meant to compete each other. Seriously, there's nothing else to it. It's not a hardware only thing (like on PC). It really is just a time and competition thing. Current gen is Wii/Ps3/360, next gen is "WiiU, PS4, 720".

it really doesnt have to be any more complicated than that, folks

 

[Majine]

A "generation" of consoles if just machines released in the same time frame and meant to compete each other. Seriously, there's nothing else to it. It's not a hardware only thing (like on PC). It really is just a time and competition thing. Current gen is Wii/Ps3/360, next gen is "WiiU, PS4, 720".

Oh shit, Wii U has complete monopoly then. No competitors!

 

[Bgamer90]

Thats the point, it is "a new generation" from Nintendo hardware, but not all people will view it as a "next" generation because not all people looks for the same "changes", for some people, a next generation will be a console with a jump from PS360, even if Wii U is a new hardware.

Yeah, again, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that. Heck, I don't view the Wii U as feeling like a true next-gen console either.

However, it's the successor to the Wii and it is what Nintendo will go with for the next 5+ years to compete against the next Xbox and PS4. It will be a part of that gaming generation when it comes to new support and it will be what Nintendo will put to the forefront as their main console during the period.

 

[DjRoomba]

Thats the point, it is "a new generation" from Nintendo hardware, but not all people will view it as a "next" generation because not all people looks for the same "changes", for some people, a next generation will be a console with a jump from PS360, even if Wii U is a new hardware.

These people (including you) are dumb. Just play the games you wanna play and dont care bout what generation they belong to.

 

[XtremeXpider]

A "generation" of consoles if just machines released in the same time frame and meant to compete each other. Seriously, there's nothing else to it. It's not a hardware only thing (like on PC). It really is just a time and competition thing. Current gen is Wii/Ps3/360, next gen is "WiiU, PS4, 720".

Talking about timeframe, yes, but I guess it is not the only way to define a "generation".

These people (including you) are dumb. Just play the games you wanna play and dont care bout what generation they belong to.

Why dumb? I will buy a Wii U, I am not saying Wii U is not a good system.

 

[mrklaw]

A "generation" of consoles if just machines released in the same time frame and meant to compete each other. Seriously, there's nothing else to it. It's not a hardware only thing (like on PC). It really is just a time and competition thing. Current gen is Wii/Ps3/360, next gen is "WiiU, PS4, 720".

Yup. It often coincides with a jump in oower due to the five years or so wince the last consoles, but that is just coincidence. As Metatron(?) said, Wii chose to innovate not on power but on inputs.

Why is there this idea that something weak cant be in the same generation as something strong?

 

[darkistheway]

I have 5 HDTVs in my house two of them are full HD.

Do you really think you are the average consumer household?

Consumers expect more.

Sure they expect more but that doesn't mean what you think it does. Look at the Wii. Better graphics than previous generation? Not really. But it did add 'more' to the equation. And the consumer responded and gave Nintendo its most successful console ever.

The Wii U is Nintendo's attempt to recapture that lightning. Whether or not it succeeds has very little to do with bunch of posters of NeoGAF deciding that its graphical capabilities are not "8th generation."

 

[DGRE]

Oh shit, Wii U has complete monopoly then. No competitors!

Wow. You are extremely stubborn.

 

[Brashnir]

Oh shit, Wii U has complete monopoly then. No competitors!

Yes, just like the Saturn, Dreamcast, and Xbox 360.

Spoiler

hint - time frames can last longer than a week

 

[Pimpbaa]

The wii u is 256 bit. Ps4 and Xbox next are presumably going to be 512-bit. That is a generational difference

wat?

 

[XtremeXpider]

Yeah, again, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that. Heck, I don't view the Wii U as feeling like a true next-gen console either.

However, it's the successor to the Wii and it is what Nintendo will go with for the next 5+ years to compete against the next Xbox and PS4. It will be a part of that gaming generation when it comes to new support and it will be what Nintendo will put to the forefront as their main console during the period.

Yes, I'm not saying Wii U not belong to the 8th generation of videogames, it is just the "feeling" of Wii U being like a current gen and not a next gen (talking about hardware/software capabilities).

 

[Majine]

Spoiler

hint - time frames can last longer than a week

And the longer they get, the more fucked up the arguments for it gets.

 

[DCharlie]

I really don't get the Reggie hate to be honest - he's spinning it like most fanboys do here yet people are calling for him to be fired?!

what do you WANT him to say? "Actually - we put out a machine that's technically struggling and you can see that in the lazy ports!"

I mean - i agree a good tactic would have been to focus on the new controller but people screaming OH HE LIED! ? Fuck me - go check out any Wii U thread and you'll find an abundance of selfserving quasi-bullshit galore - hell not just Wii U : X360 , PS3, Vita, 3DS.

Gamers can't help themselves, myself included at times. So to call for someones head because THEY LIED!!! ? Yeah, get over yourselves.

 

[neorej]

*checks Digital Foundry

 

[waypoetic]

Yes, I'm not saying Wii U not belong to the 8th generation of videogames, it is just the "feeling" of Wii U being like a current gen and not a next gen (talking about hardware/software capabilities).

Oh cmon, it is a current gen system. Its more or less on par with the 360 and PS3. Next year, it wont.

 

[mrklaw]

DCharlie, it's a much more blatant lie than a company spokesperson would normally come out with.

And no, of course he wouldn't say it was shit - he'd segue smoothly into how the gamepad allows unique experiences, such as local multiplayer without split screen blah blah.

 

[DCharlie]

and regarding what "gen" Wii U is ? sales period wise : NEXT GEN, tech wise : Current Gen.

Why does anyone care? ((Pi/fuck knows * fanboyism) + (asparagus / finch)) * smell of nutmeg = wibble.

DCharlie, it's a much more blatant lie than a company spokesperson would normally come out with.

my point is that it really doesn't matter. No one who matters cares. I mean - i'm far from a reggie fan but i just don't see this as tha big of a deal. I'm more curious how quickly he seems to be going from Iconic Nthing Figure to Throw him Under the Bus!!!

This isn't the first bullshit thing out of a PR persons mouth, and it won't be the last. I just don't particular expect the truth out of these people anyways. #shrug

 

[danmaku]

wat?

Looks like you weren't around during the bit war era.

 

[IrishNinja]

Looks like you weren't around during the bit war era.

i like how you're referring to it in the past tense

 

[dc89]

His Mario pin badge on his lapel is awesome. That is all.

 

[squidyj]

This weird obsession with trying to shoehorn everything Nintendo does as "last gen" is asinine. There's more to the technology of video games than just the number of polygons being pushed or pixels being rendered or CPU power.

The Wii was part of the PS360 gen, period. It was the industry leader that introduced revolutionary control schemes and forced Sony and Microsoft to scramble to play catch up with the technological innovation that was actually driving sales through most of the generation (hint: it wasn't processing power). It was a different approach, a different KIND of generational leap, but a generational leap none the less.

The Wii U is a generational leap beyond that, taking those innovations for the Wii, catching up to the PS360 in terms of raw horsepower under the hood, and introducing more new concepts that might or might not be revolutionary, most notably TV-independent console gaming. Whether or not it's going to be an industry leader like its predecessor remains to be seen (I'm guessing likely not, but we still don't know much of anything about its competition at the moment).

Just because Nintendo is making different kinds of technological advancements than their competitors doesn't mean they are not making generational advancements.

yes... weird obsession. not. If the wiimote was so revolutionary how come it hasn't actually caused any sort of revolution in the titles that are bought most(which to be fair aren't even on the main gaming consoles but if we restrict to there then...). How come nintendo now needs to re-revolutionize their revolution with the Wii U pad. Or are you expecting people to hold both the Wii mote and the Wii U pad at the same time? Your talk about nintendo strikes me as hyperbole, did they sell more consoles than the other two? yes, would i typify move and kinect as scrambling to catch up? no. Do I believe that the wiimote and not a successful branding campaign is what really set the pace of Wii sales? no, not really.

With what I would call your biased analysis of the previous gen, I sincerely doubt any conclusions you would claim to draw from said information.
When the Wii U comes out I think it's likely going to wind up playing ports of current-gen titles, solid first party titles, and pure water ports, if it's lucky, of next-gen titles for the ps4 and xbox 8. On which it should sell alright and the nintendo games will be pretty good but that's about it. I don't expect anyone using the pad to develop a game-changing experience, it's theoretically possible, it's also theoretically possible for kinect to provide that sort of experience but it hasn't done it yet because it's being tailored towards simple cheap tricks rather than exciting devs who will be interested in going waist deep into the possibilities afforded. Wii U, like the Wii before it is at best to me a gamble on a generation, a side-generation that revolves fully around the ubiquity and ingenuity of it's implementation, something that has fallen sorely flat for the Wii and I suspect will do so for the Wii U as well.

 

[Krabboss]

I really don't get the Reggie hate to be honest - he's spinning it like most fanboys do here yet people are calling for him to be fired?!

what do you WANT him to say? "Actually - we put out a machine that's technically struggling and you can see that in the lazy ports!"

I mean - i agree a good tactic would have been to focus on the new controller but people screaming OH HE LIED! ? Fuck me - go check out any Wii U thread and you'll find an abundance of selfserving quasi-bullshit galore - hell not just Wii U : X360 , PS3, Vita, 3DS.

Gamers can't help themselves, myself included at times. So to call for someones head because THEY LIED!!! ? Yeah, get over yourselves.

I don't know if you know this... I mean it's not obvious or anything, so I'll take the time to explain it to you. Now, believe it or not, there is actually a difference between Reggie on CNN and a fanboy in a Neogaf thread. And you may be thinking, "How? They're the exact same thing!" And I know, it may seem that way at first, but you have to dig a little deeper. You see, a Neogaf thread has a smaller audience than CNN, and people on Neogaf are more informed about video games than people viewing CNN. Shocking, isn't it? So, when Reggie gets on TV and starts talking to people not as invested in the video games industry as you or I, and he starts spreading lies about the capabilities of his company's new system... some people are going to take issue with that, you know? And let's not confuse his job here. His job isn't to lie, his job is to spin. He needs to get out there and ignore the bad and focus on the good. If he lies and people later find out he lied, they might find that pretty annoying.

That being said, I do hope Reggie keeps his job because he's a lot of fun.

 

[jmls1121]

yes... weird obsession. not. If the wiimote was so revolutionary how come it hasn't actually caused any sort of revolution in the titles that are bought most(which to be fair aren't even on the main gaming consoles but if we restrict to there then...). How come nintendo now needs to re-revolutionize their revolution with the Wii U pad. Or are you expecting people to hold both the Wii mote and the Wii U pad at the same time? Your talk about nintendo strikes me as hyperbole, did they sell more consoles than the other two? yes, would i typify move and kinect as scrambling to catch up? no. Do I believe that the wiimote and not a successful branding campaign is what really set the pace of Wii sales? no, not really.

LOL I don't even know where to start.

 

[Hero]

This weird obsession with trying to shoehorn everything Nintendo does as "last gen" is asinine. There's more to the technology of video games than just the number of polygons being pushed or pixels being rendered or CPU power.

The Wii was part of the PS360 gen, period. It was the industry leader that introduced revolutionary control schemes and forced Sony and Microsoft to scramble to play catch up with the technological innovation that was actually driving sales through most of the generation (hint: it wasn't processing power). It was a different approach, a different KIND of generational leap, but a generational leap none the less.

The Wii U is a generational leap beyond that, taking those innovations for the Wii, catching up to the PS360 in terms of raw horsepower under the hood, and introducing more new concepts that might or might not be revolutionary, most notably TV-independent console gaming. Whether or not it's going to be an industry leader like its predecessor remains to be seen (I'm guessing likely not, but we still don't know much of anything about its competition at the moment).

Just because Nintendo is making different kinds of technological advancements than their competitors doesn't mean they are not making generational advancements.

Too much sense for one post in a thread like this. Sorry bro.

 

[Krabboss]

I am shocked people think generations mean anything more than a time period.

 

[Teletraan1]

I don't think he should be fired but it doesn't give me any consumer confidence in Nintendo if they have to resort to lying. In a time when there are websites dedicated to technical analysis of games trying to be deceitful about such information is just plain stupid. Maybe you could get away with this sort of comment 20 years ago but not now. Information age Reggie. Your body might be ready, but your mind needs some work.

 

[grimshawish]

Honestly the 'Wii is last gen'/'Wii U is last gen' - is one of the saddest/pathetic lines some people like to put out there.

Its just filled with utter bitterness and insecurity.
Not even fanboyism to a company but fanboyism to a direction Sony/MS are on.

Generations just don't work in a 'whats inside it' way; thats utterly ridiculous.
This gen has only just started; its presumptuous to claim you know how it'll play out.

As such the WiiU is the new generation console from Nintendo.
Its a descriptive term; they will compete with Sony's new gen console and Microsofts; and possibly anyone else who decides to enter.


I really don't understand how any other point is relevant. Claiming WiiU is last generation is not subjective; its factually wrong.

I am shocked people think generations mean anything more than a time period.

A lot of the old fanboyism ways have moved on to the degree we don't really see it between the 360/PS3's of this world anymore.
Still some Nintendo VS PS360 mind and the master race laughing their backsides off on the side lines mind; but this weird generational thing just strikes me as 'weird'. Am not sure I understand the mentality, people seem to hug the idea of 'next generation' like it makes them personally superior - which in the end only tells us they don't actually feel that superior, quite the opposite.

Its all a bit sad really. In the end they'll not play some great games, not out of relevant decisions of what to buy/not to buy; but out of some weird irrational definition of what gaming is.

 

[Seik]

Honestly the 'Wii is last gen'/'Wii U is last gen' - is one of the saddest/pathetic lines some people like to put out there.

Its just filled with utter bitterness and insecurity.
Not even fanboyism to a company but fanboyism to a direction Sony/MS are on.

Generations just don't work in a 'whats inside it' way; thats utterly ridiculous.
This gen has only just started; its presumptuous to claim you know how it'll play out.

As such the WiiU is the new generation console from Nintendo.
Its a descriptive term; they will compete with Sony's new gen console and Microsofts; and possibly anyone else who decides to enter.


I really don't understand how any other point is relevant. Claiming WiiU is last generation is not subjective; its factually wrong.

Voilà, exactly, that's it! I don't understand the debate for such a thing.

 

[polyh3dron]

Honestly the 'Wii is last gen'/'Wii U is last gen' - is one of the saddest/pathetic lines some people like to put out there.

It's also true.

Posts that disregard such a logical assessment with cognitive dissonance are the pathetic thing.

Nintendo has been a generation behind in graphical power since the Wii released, and the Wii U looks to continue that trend. And when people state this fact it drives Nintendo loyalists completely mad.

 

[IrishNinja]

poly pls

generational as time thing rather than power is why varied systems like jaguar, saturn, 3DO, years later stuff like n64, PSX, dreamcast etc get grouped, nevermind handhelds or older ones like neo-geo...again man it doesnt have to be that difficult

 

[Majine]

Honestly the 'Wii is last gen'/'Wii U is last gen' - is one of the saddest/pathetic lines some people like to put out there.

Its just filled with utter bitterness and insecurity.
Not even fanboyism to a company but fanboyism to a direction Sony/MS are on.

Generations just don't work in a 'whats inside it' way; thats utterly ridiculous.
This gen has only just started; its presumptuous to claim you know how it'll play out.

As such the WiiU is the new generation console from Nintendo.
Its a descriptive term; they will compete with Sony's new gen console and Microsofts; and possibly anyone else who decides to enter.


I really don't understand how any other point is relevant. Claiming WiiU is last generation is not subjective; its factually wrong.

I find it's the opposite. It's the people defending the timeframes that seem desperate and insecure, resorting to personal attacks. If you go through the thread, it's these people who go with the "Dude stop posting lolz" type of replies, instead of giving a proper discussion.

Power=gen is structurally sound, and more consistent. The other one is based on tradition/hype from the consolemakers.

 

[Newton Crosby]

It's also true.

Post such as yours that disregard such a logical assessment with cognitive dissonance are the pathetic thing.

It's not true.

 

[jmls1121]

It's also true.

Posts that disregard such a logical assessment with cognitive dissonance are the pathetic thing.

Generations are defined by time period. You would have to be a straight up moron not to grasp this fact.

 

[IrishNinja]

i agree that the point is so obvious as to be overstated

but ya'll dont have to be throwing personal insults around over weird semantic games either

 

[Seik]

It's also true.

Posts that disregard such a logical assessment with cognitive dissonance are the pathetic thing.

C'mon man, a generation is based on the time frame. The power, especially in this case, doesn't make the Wii U 'last gen' in any case. It'll be in direct competition with the PS4/720, during the same time frame, during the same: yeah, that's it, generation!

 

[jmls1121]

I find it's the opposite. It's the people defending the timeframes that seem desperate and insecure, resorting to personal attacks. If you go through the thread, it's these people who go with the "Dude stop posting lolz" type of replies, instead of giving a proper discussion.

Power=gen is structurally sound, and more consistent. The other one is based on tradition/hype from the consolemakers.

this is so ridiculous.

remember when wii was competing against the gamecube, guys?

 

[grimshawish]

It's also true.

Post such as yours that disregard such a logical assessment are the pathetic thing.

Oh darling, no need to get so personal. Its all okay; I'll refrain from psychological assessments in future; its obviously put you out a little bit.


What generation are modern PC's then? Ninth? Ten?
This gets very very confusing.

Does that mean when PS4/720 come out they're last gen?
Cause if I have Big Picture on Steam I can make it a console...right?


Hmmm. No on second thought - your definitely wrong.
Not just wrong but a little bit sad.

I'd love you and Reggie just to go on TV together. Would be hilarious the amount of bollocks that would be spouted.

"Its not the same generation!"

i agree that the point is so obvious as to be overstated

but ya'll dont have to be throwing personal insults around over weird semantic games either

Not meaning to insult really; just thats my take on people fighting that corner.
I literally cannot understand it.

Sorry if people are feeling the same with my points; maybe its people hitting a wall.
I just don't see it as subjective at all however. So the fact people are using it in...not even relevant discussion, in some odd attempt to be derogatory at a piece of plastic; so I do see it as pathetic.

Just how I see it. Not insulting anyone. They might be fine outside of this; they're not pathetic. Just acting pathetic I suppose.
But its very odd from my POV.

 

[polyh3dron]

C'mon man, a generation is based on the time frame. The power, especially in this case, doesn't make the Wii U 'last gen' in any case. It'll be in direct competition with the PS4/720, during the same time frame, during the same: yeah, that's it, generation!

The Wii U is a generation behind in graphical power from whatever Sony and Microsoft's next consoles will have.

The Wii was a generation behind in graphical power from the 360 and PS3.

 

[SmokyDave]

Generations are defined by time period. You would have to be a straight up moron not to grasp this fact.

I've tried explaining this before, so I'll just quote that:

'The next generation' as a literal term means the next iteration of a piece of hardware. It speaks to a chronological progression.

'Next-gen' as a colloquial term means a large jump in technical specification. It speaks to a technological progression.

Broadly when people say 'I can't wait to see next-gen games', they mean they are looking forward to software that has benefited from a sizeable technological jump, not just the next piece of hardware released, regardless of progression.

If you still feel that you need to be a 'straight-up moron' to see the difference, so be it.

 

[deviljho]

His Mario pin badge on his lapel is awesome. That is all.

and your pin.

 

[nephilimdj]

Just pr spin I guess

 

[JaxJag]

Does anyone here think Reggie actually believe what he said? Lets be honest here, I doubt he plays video games at all, no telling what type of technical knowledge the man has.

I almost halfway believe that Reggie believes what he said, even though it was completely wrong.

 

[DCharlie]

I don't know if you know this... I mean it's not obvious or anything, so I'll take the time to explain it to you. Now, believe it or not, there is actually a difference between Reggie on CNN and a fanboy in a Neogaf thread. And you may be thinking, "How? They're the exact same thing!" And I know, it may seem that way at first, but you have to dig a little deeper. You see, a Neogaf thread has a smaller audience than CNN, and people on Neogaf are more informed about video games than people viewing CNN. Shocking, isn't it? So, when Reggie gets on TV and starts talking to people not as invested in the video games industry as you or I, and he starts spreading lies about the capabilities of his company's new system... some people are going to take issue with that, you know? And let's not confuse his job here. His job isn't to lie, his job is to spin. He needs to get out there and ignore the bad and focus on the good. If he lies and people later find out he lied, they might find that pretty annoying.

seriously - spoiler here : No one gives a flying fuck. Outside of this assembled crowd -no one- out there gives a shit what he said. No one.

The fallout from this is going to be absolute ZERO. Don't confuse GAF uppitiness with anything that actually means a damn in real life. As much as it was nice to see some hard questions, the response to it, the lies or whatever ? It just doesn't matter. It's a nothingness.

The idea that Iwata or someone is going to call him up and say "hey - you said THIS on CNN and that was FACTUALLY INCORRECT!!!" - no one who matters cares.