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I didn't watch. Was there any meaningful policy discussion? Or any policy discussion at all? Or was it all just talking points?

Almost none to speak of. Also absolutely no challenging of obvious falsehoods by the moderators. The only time Cavuto dipped his toe into the fact-checking pool was when Rubio was talking about Obama constant attacks on gun rights. Cavuto challenged him for an example of what he's talking about and Marky basically said "JUST LOOK AT HIM HE HATES GUNS I PROMISE."

Other than that, I learned we need to repeal Obamacare and replace it with nothing. We need to restore our military to its former glory of being big enough to destroy the world 100 times over instead of the current 99, and we need to cut taxes, and America is on the brink of collapse if another Democrat gets elected.

 

[watershed]

I love how smug Cruz was during the whole New York values segment. He really felt like he had a great attack on Trump. Then it all came down.

 

[EatinOlives]

Almost none to speak of. Also absolutely no challenging of obvious falsehoods by the moderators. The only time Cavuto dipped his toe into the fact-checking pool was when Rubio was talking about Obama constant attacks on gun rights. Cavuto challenged him for an example of what he's talking about and Marky basically said "JUST LOOK AT HIM HE HATES GUNS I PROMISE."

Other than that, I learned we need to repeal Obamacare and replace it with nothing. We need to restore our military to its former glory of being big enough to destroy the world 100 times over instead of the current 99, and we need to cut taxes, and America is on the brink of collapse if another Democrat gets elected.

Yeah, it's why I tuned out for most of it. With the same people on the stage over and over and over spouting the same exact tired lines over and over, I didn't expect anything other than generic pandering. More trashing at Hillary, more campaigning against Obama as if he were running for a 3rd term, more fear mongering, more dogwhistles, basically the same song and dance since the very first debate.

 

[OuterLimits]

I'm honestly surprised Cruz didn't see the trap of the NYC question from a mile away. He has always been a good debater but blundered badly there. You could tell he thought he had scored major points on Trump because he had that grin after he answered. He seemed stunned Trump landed an uppercut on him with the response. Never a good sign when your clapping at the response after you launched an attack.

Cruz was actually doing well until then and winning in my opinion. That rattled him and he got weaker after that, even letting Rubio land some punches on him.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

The questions and moderators were god awful, but that was to be expected. They weren't asking question as much as giving each candidate a platform to mindlessly rant about the same old shit.

"Governor Christie, can you please outline your tax plan?"
"Sure, my tax plan is great, but what we really need to talk about is how Barack Obama ruined this country. We are worse off than ever. We aren't safe. I promise to the American people that if god forbid Hillary Rodham Clinton wins the presidency next year I will take a suicide pact with you because this country will never recover and we will be plunged into a new dark age of socialism and gun control."

 

[danm999]

There are still too many people on stage for substantive policy discussion (and I would argue, the wrong people on stage for them anyway).

Most candidates are obsessed with getting a sick burn in, or getting "their turn" to talk if they feel like they've been neglected for too long in the hope they might get a good soundbite.

When people are called on, they either don't answer the question or do some weird appeal to authority argument like Carson did where he simply said he had a tax plan and some people liked it.

The China trade policy section was the closest they came to substantive debate, but given the solutions offered to fix the US' trade deficit with China were "abolish the IRS and put in a flat tax", "put tariffs up and start a trade war" or "put Carl Icahn in charge" it wasn't very impressive.

You really get the feeling this is all like a book report the candidates are all having to do and they just want to get it fucking over with so they can go back to making modified versions of their stump speeches.

 

[Jarmel]

Here's an interview of Trump at Ground Zero, so he wasn't lying about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoYXihwcp8c

 

[OuterLimits]

The next Dem debate is close correct? I'm guessing Sun morning at 3am maybe?

 

[Calabria]

anyone have a link where Rubio destroyed Cruz on his voting records?

seems like everyone destroying Cruz tonighte

 

[OuterLimits]

anyone have a link where Rubio destroyed Cruz on his voting records?

seems like everyone destroying Cruz tonighte

I thought Cruz did well on the birther stuff but didn't knock out Trump. Like I said before though, after the NYC exchange with Trump, he kind of fell apart.

 

[cpp_is_king]

Didn't watch the debate but any links to this exchange where Trump lays the smackdown on Cruz?. Seems that is the must see moment of the debate haha.

Cruz: http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4704838087001?intcmp=hpbt1
Trump's Response: http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4704846869001?intcmp=hpbt1

 

[Black Mamba]

LOL

 

[cpp_is_king]

LOL

Is this for real? This quick? If this is the real cover that all I have to say is Ted can watch his poll numbers fall faster than the Dow Jones Industrial Average over the past week

 

[danm999]

Ted Cruz really has a remarkable talent for making people not like him.

 

[cpp_is_king]

I'm starting to wonder if this might be Ted Cruz's "47 percent" moment

 

[Jarmel]

Is this for real? This quick? If this is the real cover that all I have to say is Ted can watch his poll numbers fall faster than the Dow Jones Industrial Average over the past week

Not really, his base isn't in NY. It'll damage him but not significantly and definitely not so much from New Yorkers being insulted but Iowans thinking Cruz looked weak.

 

[cpp_is_king]

Not really, his base isn't in NY. It'll damage him but not significantly and definitely not so much from New Yorkers being insulted but Iowans thinking Cruz looked weak.

I know it's not his base but if it goes viral (and that cover is a good start) it could mean trouble.

 

[Basileus777]

Not really, his base isn't in NY. It'll damage him but not significantly and definitely not so much from New Yorkers being insulted but Iowans thinking Cruz looked weak.

The primary isn't just Iowa. It certainly isn't a good look in New Hampshire or if the primary stays competitive long enough for it to matter, other North Eastern or Mid Atlantic states. Cruz (or anyone else) isn't winning a majority of delegates just in red states.

 

[Jarmel]

The primary isn't just Iowa. It certainly isn't a good look in New Hampshire or if the primary stays competitive long enough for it to matter, other North Eastern or Mid Atlantic states. Cruz isn't winning a majority of delegates just in red states.

Oh it's definitely not a good look but considering how insane his base has to be, I can't imagine this hurting him significantly. He never was going to win the NY primary anyway.

Now it might tie into a larger theme of Cruz being a smug shithole and that could gain more traction.

 

[Basileus777]

Oh it's definitely not a good look but considering how insane his base has to be, I can't imagine this hurting him significantly. He never was going to win the NY primary anyway.

Now it might tie into a larger theme of Cruz being a smug shithole and that could gain more traction.

Well then that's 95 delegates from NY that he's already conceding, likely to Trump/Rubio. And a lot of those other north eastern or mid-Atlantic states are winner take all states that he needs to take some of or he has no realistic path to getting a majority of delegates. Cruz as a regional candidate can't win the nomination.

 

[Jarmel]

Well then that's 95 delegates from NY that he's already conceding, likely to Trump/Rubio. And a lot of those other north eastern or mid-Atlantic states are winner take all states that he needs to take some of or he has no realistic path to getting a majority of delegates. Cruz as a regional candidate can't win the nomination.

Even before this, I would assume Rubio would be picking up NY before Cruz. I'm not familiar enough with the Northeastern GOP but I imagine he would do better in rural areas and the South.

 

[Nelo Ice]

Cruz: http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4704838087001?intcmp=hpbt1
Trump's Response: http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4704846869001?intcmp=hpbt1

Thanks. Damn Cruz looking like a complete fool. There was no winning in that scenario.

 

[davepoobond]

LOL

man, fuck ted cruz

 

[ChosenPredator]

i think we can all agree cruz goof hardcore on that, wrong city to mention, never mention new york in the way that he did.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

So, how many wars will we be fighting in the Middle East if the Republicans get their way?

Just going to leave this here now that the debate ended: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRfP_TEQ-g

Annnnnd another addition to the NSA's profile on me.

How disturbing...

 

[EatinOlives]

LOL

Just looked up the article online: (or at least AN article about this)

http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/lupica-ted-cruz-new-york-city-values-9-11-heroes-article-1.2497009

The next time Cruz shows up here he should tear himself away from his friends at Goldman Sachs and make a side trip to the Bronx and explain himself there on New York values; or to the Lower East Side, or Williamsburg, Brooklyn, or Jamaica, Queens, or 125th St. in Harlem. He should go talk to people in the Rockaways or Staten Island, the hardened survivors who bound together after Hurricane Sandy, about New York values. Or finally he should go all the way downtown, and back to September 2001.

Here is what New York values are: New York values are a young guy, a paralegal, literally giving somebody he doesn’t know the shirt off his back on a subway because winter has finally come to the city and brought freezing temperatures with it. New York values are the New York taxi driver who traveled three boroughs across four days to find the guy who had left $1,400 in his cab, so he could return the money to him. You know what that really was? It was the real life of a city that Ted Cruz knows nothing about. He is simply another tourist here, one constantly on the make.

The best of this city is the best of this country, and always has been. When it was hit in a way that no American city had ever been hit, it came together and rose up together in a moment as thrilling as any America had ever seen.

This wasn’t the civil rights movement, it was a different kind of movement, to lower Manhattan. That was where the city was stronger and better than it ever had been on Sept. 12, when in the words of the great Pete Hamill, the city first got to one knee, and then began to get up. We will never know how it would have gone in another American city. We just know how it went here.

New York values? New York values are the ironworkers who carried their tools in backpacks and gym bags and, by God, walked over the Brooklyn Bridge on the night of Sept. 11, 2001, or all the way downtown from all the way uptown.

One of them I know simply said to a cop who didn’t want to let him get close to where the towers had been. And the guy said, “They need me. I cut steel.”

Daily News is like

 

[davepoobond]

So, how many wars will we be fighting in the Middle East if the Republicans get their way?



Annnnnd another addition to the NSA's profile on me.

How disturbing...

we will never leave.

they dont want to leave. they keep complaining about how "we have no presence" in the middle east anymore

 

[Kathian]

Cruz is a fool. Trump is a better politician than any on that stage and that's pretty damning for the GOP. Note a few places saying Trump is improving in debates which ought to worry all the poor Dem debaters.

 

[Metaphoreus]

That New York values moment was so bad for Cruz. What the fuck was he thinking with that.

Really weak showing from him. How he let Trump redefine the phrase like that without any counter is beyond me. It's like he was paralyzed by the mention of 9/11. The obvious retort would be along the lines of, "Of course I'm not talking about 9/11. I'm talking about the 14 years since in which the city has enacted [liberal policy A], [liberal policy B], [liberal policy C]."

 

[Jarmel]

Just looked up the article online: (or at least AN article about this)

http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/lupica-ted-cruz-new-york-city-values-9-11-heroes-article-1.2497009

Daily News is like

lol Cruz definitely didn't mean it that way but goddamn they went in

 

[Kathian]

Really weak showing from him. How he let Trump redefine the phrase like that without any counter is beyond me. It's like he was paralyzed by the mention of 9/11. The obvious retort would be along the lines of, "Of course I'm not talking about 9/11. I'm talking about the 14 years since in which the city has enacted [liberal policy A], [liberal policy B], [liberal policy C]."

The problem is just because you are in a liberal state does not make you a liberal. That's an obvious fact to anyone and needs little debate.

This was Cruz's personal dig at Trump in reply to the Canadian comment. It was not politically thought out but deeply personal for both men. That gave Trump an easy out; it was a stupid statement and he could easily point that out, question its relevance and then show it down as insulting.

Trumps no conservative but honestly that'll make him more electable than any of these candidates.

 

[Metaphoreus]

The problem is just because you are in a liberal state does not make you a liberal.

Of course not, but having made the attack, Cruz should have stuck to his guns. By running away with his tail between his legs, he appears to validate the premise of Trump's response.

 

[Black Mamba]

Really weak showing from him. How he let Trump redefine the phrase like that without any counter is beyond me. It's like he was paralyzed by the mention of 9/11. The obvious retort would be along the lines of, "Of course I'm not talking about 9/11. I'm talking about the 14 years since in which the city has enacted [liberal policy A], [liberal policy B], [liberal policy C]."

The problem was using "New York" to begin with.

Trump could have also attacked it in other ways. NYC (and I say this as an avid Angelino) is the cultural and financial capital of the US (and world for the latter).

Cruz should have called Trump a New England Liberal or say he has New England Liberal Values rather than New York Values (I know he was quoting something Trump said but he was a moron for running it that way). NE Liberal is a time-tested attack..but you don't call out a city, especially one that is so revered in this nation to begin with, with or without 9/11.

Of course, Trump could just have pushed back with the fact that Cruz went to Princeton and Harvard's liberal schools, that his wife works for NY based Goldman-Sachs, and that he graciously accepted goldman sach's money for his campaign. But it wouldn't have landed as hard or maybe at all.

Cruz fucked up the moment he brought out "NY Values." As long as Trump played on it, Cruz could have no possible effective response. Honestly, your response would have made things worse. Would have appeared weak.

Of course not, but having made the attack, Cruz should have stuck to his guns. By running away with his tail between his legs, he appears to validate the premise of Trump's response.

Honestly, shutting up was the best case there. I really don't think there is a single possible answer out there that wouldn't have made things worse.

 

[RedShift]

The flicker in Cruz's eyes when Trump starts talking about 9/11 is beautiful.

"Oh... Oh. I've fucked up"

 

[Jarmel]

Of course not, but having made the attack, Cruz should have stuck to his guns. By running away with his tail between his legs, he appears to validate the premise of Trump's response.

Cruz was legit shook, you can see it in his body language, despite Trump already pulling that line earlier in the week. The stupid fuck applauded his own counter. He was in no way thinking logically at that point.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Cruz is a fool. Trump is a better politician than any on that stage and that's pretty damning for the GOP. Note a few places saying Trump is improving in debates which ought to worry all the poor Dem debaters.

To be fair, he's getting better at GOP debates and he's naturally suited to them. When it comes to a general election he'll prove rather poor at handling a substantive 1 v 1 debate. A zinger about Bill Clinton or a snide remark about socialism won't have the effect it has in a GOP debate where moderators are booed for asking follow-ups and denouncing any tough question as a mainstream media attack is an easy applause line. The tone and expectations of a general election debate are night and day compared to these two-hour spats of yo momma jokes.

 

[Jarmel]

Trump getting better at debating is a scary ass thought.

 

[Dominican Power]

Marco Rubio is such a phony man.

 

[Metaphoreus]

Would have appeared weak.

How so?

 

[Black Mamba]

How so?

It would look like a retreat.

"I uhhh uhh don't mean all new york values. just uh...the liberal ones that don't include 9/11. You know, those ones."

He can't own up to NY Values comment because of what Trump said and he can't try and clarify. If you have to clarify something after your attack has been heavily rebuffed, you look worse off in a debate.

It's like when you say "no no, I don't mean all black people. Hey, I even have black friends. I just mean.."

 

[Mr. Pointy]

Trump getting better at debating is a scary ass thought.

Trump's CPU is a neural-net processor - a learning computer.

 

[Dan]

Cruz also hasn't wanted to actually define "New York values". The whole idea is really to let his audience fill in the blanks with their own biases. He expanded a little, but he didn't want to get specific.

 

[crisdecuba]

Made another debate summary / highlights video

2.5 hours condensed into 30 minutes:

https://youtu.be/oetvxpIOml0

 

[OuterLimits]

Lol at this http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/01/14/blaze-poll-who-won-the-south-carolina-gop-debate/

How the hell did Cruz win..

Well we will need to wait till tomorrow or monday for real results.

Just FYI. Glenn Beck is a huge Ted Cruz fan and hates Trump. Cruz and Beck are close friends. Beck loves attacking Trump on his radio show apparently. He has even said he would vote for Hillary and Bernie over Trump. Trump has called Beck insane on Twitter. It's personal between them. Typically The Blaze has a ton of Cruz supporters. Trump supporters are more common on Breitbart and whatever articles Drudge links to it seems. Lol.

 

[BouncyFrag]

The next Dem debate is close correct? I'm guessing Sun morning at 3am maybe?

or during the Super Bowl.

 

[WoodWERD]

Haha I just watched that Trump/Cruz exchange. That "oops I shit my pants" face by Cruz at the end sealed it for me.

 

[OuterLimits]

Most of the conservative radio show hosts like Levin, Beck and to a lesser extent Limbaugh are for Ted Cruz. They were probably happy for awhile in that debate but likely will be in full defense mode of Cruz tomorrow after he flubbed that NYC question and got hit hard by Rubio at the end.

Trump does have Michael Savage on his side though. Not shocking. Lol.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Cruz got the NY values attack idea from his friend Beck. That has been a typical attack on Trump by Glenn for awhile.

 

[leroidys]

Marco Rubio is such a phony man.

Dude, don't say his name, that tags him in to do some irrelevant stump speech.

 

[Agent_Carnage]

I wanna know what Cruz was thinking on that attack. He had to of known about 9/11 response. He look so shocked when Trump came back and trashed him.

This is some WWE right here.

 

[-MB-]

Cruz got Yamcha-ed here hard. No recovery from this.