I honestly don't see any issue with that post.
What issue? It explains the situation, which is what the poster I replied to was requesting.
I honestly don't see any issue with that post.
This isn't really exclusive to NeoGAF. It just happens to be that gamers are, by far in my opinion, the harshest and most unforgiving critics there are.
Few other mediums encite personal vitriol to the level gaming does.
I'm a working stand-up comedian, and those audiences and critics are puppies compared to gamers.
yup, and internet "meaness" has become normalized, so if you complain about it, or god forbid say something on a forum or twitter hurt your feelings, "toughen up" is about all that one can expect to receive.Sounds like he's a drama queen.
That said neogaf can be a very very one sided circlejerk and always landslides the majority opinion over differentiating ones.
This isn't really exclusive to NeoGAF. It just happens to be that gamers are, by far in my opinion, the harshest and most unforgiving critics there are.
Few other mediums encite personal vitriol to the level gaming does.
I'm a working stand-up comedian, and those audiences and critics are puppies compared to gamers.
Reminds me:
What issue? It explains the situation, which is what the poster I replied to was requesting.
So keep throwing stones -- at developers, at moderators, at your fellow posters -- but you're part of the problem, and rather than deal with your part in the problem, you're engaging in negativity about other posters, the forum, and its staff. Try, instead, treating fellow posters, developers, and staff as if they were people. Consider that your funny, cruel joke is less funny and more cruel, and maybe don't post it. Moderate your language and instead of calling people scam artists, or shoving your head up your ass in self-righteousness about your consumer rights, consider that the company you're railing against is really just people trying to make something neat and failing rather than a conspiracy to rob you and make you play bad games.
He's not wrong.Reminds me:
He's not wrong.
He's not wrong.
There's a lot of back and forth, and while I will concede there is examples of devs getting it really rough, there is a million examples of studios and publishers bending over consumers.
This is a bit nonsense. You have the weights completely reversed here.
How many examples do you have of companies actually trying to screw gamers over? And I don't mean "mediocre game = screwing gamers" I mean, actually making an effort to trick people into buying their products? I have a sneaking suspicion that the number would fall far short of a million. I honestly don't think the same could said about the reverse.
And the sentiment of "The internet is a tough place, you just need a thick skin" is the sentiment used by assholes to pretend as if they aren't any worse than anyone else. It would bother me less if people just admitted they were shitty human beings rather than try to bring everyone else down to their level.
So is this like one of those GAF quantum mechanics things? This board is where tons of developers come all the time and give lots of attention to but its also a place where we've driven them all off at the same time and they never visit because we're terrible.
This used to be a baord where a lot of devs posted, even big ones. Then it grew and grew and more and more toxic people came in being really, really unfriendly with devs, often turning into pile ons. So most devs simply left.
And like with the Rime dev, what did the guy do besides post? None of the GAFFfers had any money riding on the project, he was not an omnipresent social media presence, his game wasn't hyped to high heavens. Yet for some reason some GAFfers felt the need to ruthelssly attack him. I bet some of them had a "Last Guardian" hanging around too, to add to the hypocrisy. And if not, GAF never shat on that game, merely grieving it's possible cancellation.
I wont argue for heavier moderation to the tone of "mind your manners at this table, young man" but sometimes, I wish it was. If I step over line, I'd gladly take a 1-2 month ban if that means others get it too.
That said neogaf can be a very very one sided circlejerk and always landslides the majority opinion over differentiating ones.
do people actual read those?He should read some of the DF Scorpio threads!
Different people, threads, situations, etc.
Honestly, some of the RIME stuff was, indeed, crossing the line. There was a lot of negativity, a lot of baseless assumptions, a lot of cruel accusations, and a lot of general mob mentality running rampant.
RIME was, and is, a game I'm looking forward to, so it was a rather depressing read for awhile as a large portion of the people posting were rather hostile and dismissive of the game.
It was pretty unwarranted, I thought.
what mostly bothers me in this forum is how easily threads about xbox and Nintendo gets derailed by drive by post or or opening up past mistakes not related to the topic of the thread.
i don't really care about xbox nowadays but i feel bad for the those who support them in this forum, i sometimes see that they can't get excited for something without somebody ruining the thread for them.
I think the 'would you say that to their face?' rule is a good one to live by online.
Then again, I guess that depends on your threshold.
I agree. I'm not very interested in Microsoft, so I mostly stay out of the threads. Not sure why others can't do the same. Microsoft seems to be doing a lot of exciting things for their fans, why can't others let them be excited?what mostly bothers me in this forum is how easily threads about xbox and Nintendo gets derailed by drive by post or or opening up past mistakes not related to the topic of the thread.
i don't really care about xbox nowadays but i feel bad for the those who support them in this forum, i sometimes see that they can't get excited for something without somebody ruining the thread for them.
That's actually a pretty sensible thing to live by (and post by). I'm going to steal that for many online conversations...
I think you need to look at yourself on where that hate is coming from. I think this is more telling of your own scars and emotional supression rather than the developers. Spiting someone for being open with their emotions is a curious thing with suggestion you view suppression of emotions to be the best approach, and wanting to toss down on others for not suppressing enough. Very backwards way of thinking and sounds like you're externalizing personal issues.Eh, the fact that this guy is crying about it makes me want to hate on it even more.
Personally I feel that a lot of GAF's reputation is further damaged by the people who are banned from posting in this site again.
They act so bitter and sometimes even claim that they did nothing wrong and they were unfairly banned by the evil community and the tyrannical mods.
They then start attacking GAF in every single way possible. From cherry picking not so good posts made by some of our members to posting links about NeoGAF SJWism and hatred towards the straight male on YouTube videos that we link to this forum.
The other side are the people who want to be a part of this forum but can't because of reasons. They get upset and eventually just straight up hate this site. Finding ways to show how "entitled" we are.
It's very weird.
So referring to a guy as girl, because he thinks he's weak for crying about the shit that got thrown his way.. is not a sexist claim?How the hell is that sexist? Because he said the world girl? So if I say bro, or boy is it sexist? Stop trying to find sexism and oppression where there is none.
From the top of my head I can tell you Rushy (DriveClub) is active here and also someone involved in Ratchet and Clank posts here regularly.
And that's just the two I know of. It's not like I actively look for devs.
GAF is opinated and will speculate on rumors. There's no reason to cry over the comments.
it can often sadden me at times just how deeply invested, emotionally, some posters can get up here. it's like people looking to fill some kinda hole in themselves. depressing...
GAF to developers who visit here:
I think the 'would you say that to their face?' rule is a good one to live by online.
Then again, I guess that depends on your threshold.