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Roast a Sacred Cow
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WrenchNinja
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I cannot in good conscience roast a sacred cow.
You see, I am a Hindu.
astroturfing
Member
i think the Uncharted series has horrendeous dialogue (forced "witty banter" with lowest common denominator humor ughh) and a completely unoriginal storyline (both games). not to mention one of the most one-dimensional and uninteresting main characters ever. really my most disliked popular new IP this gen, slightly worse than even Gears of War.
Despite being a darling around here, I don't like The World End With You.
The game has great and diverse music, good design ( never liked Nomura design but it fit in this game ), many fresh new ideas in a often stale genre and likable characters and story overall.
It's just that it focus some much on the combat system and on the customization while lacking on the adventure side that is very important for me.
Also while I applaud the various new ideas put in it the game always push the game to learn new things because it changes costantly and for me that was too much.
While classic I enjoyed DQ remakes way more than Jupiter effort.
The game has great and diverse music, good design ( never liked Nomura design but it fit in this game ), many fresh new ideas in a often stale genre and likable characters and story overall.
It's just that it focus some much on the combat system and on the customization while lacking on the adventure side that is very important for me.
Also while I applaud the various new ideas put in it the game always push the game to learn new things because it changes costantly and for me that was too much.
While classic I enjoyed DQ remakes way more than Jupiter effort.
I don't have much love for many of gaming's sacred cows nowadays, but I think I'd rather discuss my misgivings in a thread conductive to discussion rather than just throw them on a pile of hate.
Then again, this is a good opportunity to pinpoint exactly what I dislike about Bioshock or Uncharted 2, which could be enlightening. And therapeutic.
Then again, this is a good opportunity to pinpoint exactly what I dislike about Bioshock or Uncharted 2, which could be enlightening. And therapeutic.
SuperAngelo64
Banned
WRPGs... fucking terrible.
minor effort
Banned
1.) I have no fucking clue what you people see in the Mother series.
2.) I have never liked a single Rare game. Not a single one.
3.) I have no respect for people who call shooters "shumps." It's like a trigger that causes me to instantly disregard the opinion of any gaming writer of any stature, from NeoGAF poster to esteemed gaming journalist/blogger. And no, "shoot-em-ups" is not acceptable either.
2.) I have never liked a single Rare game. Not a single one.
3.) I have no respect for people who call shooters "shumps." It's like a trigger that causes me to instantly disregard the opinion of any gaming writer of any stature, from NeoGAF poster to esteemed gaming journalist/blogger. And no, "shoot-em-ups" is not acceptable either.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
minor effort said:
If you haven't tried it, try Blast Corps. It's very un-Rare in the sense that it lacks their typical character design and the stage/mission design is very distinct from other Rare games. No guarantee you'll like it, of course, but I'm just saying that I could easily see someone disliking the vast majority of what Rare makes and still liking BC.
Wolves Evolve
Member
Zelda games are intensely boring.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Gran Turismo hasn't evolved aside from pretty graphics, and even then, the graphics could have been better. I called it when I said that Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit would be the better game, hence the tag, and you know what, NFS was the better racing game in 2010.
Want a real racing sim? iRacing.com and Live For Speed says hi. Don't have a high-quality gaming PC to play those? Shift 2 Unleashed and Forza Motorsport 4 are around the corner.
Also, I don't understand what you guys see in Kingdom Hearts, but that's another story.
Want a real racing sim? iRacing.com and Live For Speed says hi. Don't have a high-quality gaming PC to play those? Shift 2 Unleashed and Forza Motorsport 4 are around the corner.
Also, I don't understand what you guys see in Kingdom Hearts, but that's another story.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
Uncharted 1:
-Horrible combat
-Horrible "platforming"
-Horrible "puzzles"
-Banter is rarely even amusing
-Super generic story decently executed
-Nolan fucking North
Uncharted 2:
-Horrible "platforming"
-Horrible "puzzles"
-Banter is rarely even amusing
-Super generic story decently executed
-Nolan fucking North
Resistance
-Drab environments
-Uncreative as fuck
-Super generic art style
Killzone 2
-Oh wait, this isn't a sacred cow, everyone nows the singleplayer is a horribly paced piece of shit
I looked through my 360 games and none of them are really sacred cow status
-Horrible combat
-Horrible "platforming"
-Horrible "puzzles"
-Banter is rarely even amusing
-Super generic story decently executed
-Nolan fucking North
Uncharted 2:
-Horrible "platforming"
-Horrible "puzzles"
-Banter is rarely even amusing
-Super generic story decently executed
-Nolan fucking North
Resistance
-Drab environments
-Uncreative as fuck
-Super generic art style
Killzone 2
-Oh wait, this isn't a sacred cow, everyone nows the singleplayer is a horribly paced piece of shit
I looked through my 360 games and none of them are really sacred cow status
Drkirby said:
IT'S THE TRUTH PLAYING A CRUEL TRICK ON YOU
minor effort said:
then suggest an alternate way of immediately conveying that you mean something like r-type, as opposed to something like contra or virtua cop or doom. so many totally disparate genres involve shooting that 'shooter' is hopelessly vague, and would now suggest call of duty to most people
incidentally it's 'shmup,' not 'shump' -- i have no particular fondness for the word, but it's the accepted label for a thing that needs labeling
minor effort
Banned
Stumpokapow said:
I remember renting it once back in the 90s, and there were aspects of it I found interesting, but it didn't really become something I remembered too strongly over the years. I'll keep in mind to give a second chance to sometime, though.
I should clarify if my comment on Rare sounded harsh. I don't think their games are uniformly terrible, but I've never really found a game of theirs I really, truly liked. Even Donkey Kong Country 2.
CecilRousso
Member
Mass Effect 2
It has great graphics, an interesting setting and very good characters. But other than that, it´s not more than just "good".
The gameplay in the battles is good, but lacks challenge and the missions have little or no variety at all. The last boss was a complete joke, the collectors is a much worse enemy than the geth, and it has way to many "Remember, I´m just a game!" moments to work well as a story driven game.
*When you enter a room or a corridor, the layout of the obstacles always tell you what to expect.
*You always get ammo for your larger weapons before an enemy that you will need them against appears, which only works a spoiler for such moments.
*Why are there weapon lockers with my weapons in them, in far away places?
*No matter what the mission says it´s about, you will always just end up running down a corridor (in 25 hours with the game, I found two missions that was an exception to this rule).
*Etc.
It has great graphics, an interesting setting and very good characters. But other than that, it´s not more than just "good".
The gameplay in the battles is good, but lacks challenge and the missions have little or no variety at all. The last boss was a complete joke, the collectors is a much worse enemy than the geth, and it has way to many "Remember, I´m just a game!" moments to work well as a story driven game.
*When you enter a room or a corridor, the layout of the obstacles always tell you what to expect.
*You always get ammo for your larger weapons before an enemy that you will need them against appears, which only works a spoiler for such moments.
*Why are there weapon lockers with my weapons in them, in far away places?
*No matter what the mission says it´s about, you will always just end up running down a corridor (in 25 hours with the game, I found two missions that was an exception to this rule).
*Etc.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Stumpokapow said:
Blast Corps was literally the game that sold me on an N64, and I stand by it being Rare's most original and interesting game. The formula was great and could really do with a current gen evolution.
minor effort
Banned
drohne said:
Yeah, I know it's "shmup". The above was a typo. The only reason I'm posting in this thread is because I'm working on my second bottle of wine for the night.
"Shmup" just sounds like such a clumsy, ugly, quirky name for an elegant genre, best suited for people who write sentences like "I'M A HARDCORE GAMER AND I LOVES ME SOME RETRO OLD-SCHOOL SHMUP GOODNESS."
I guess I'm defensive of the term shooter because it 2D shooters have sort of an originalist stake on the genre name. It just seems lazy that the term "first-person shooter" got truncated to just simply "shooter" at the expense of a preexisting genre.
I feel like such an moron for even arguing this, but here I am. Everyone is entitled to misspend their Saturday nights.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Every game you like is worthless shit, every game I like is the best thing ever.
Also, I don't really get the insane love for Nintendo's first party. I grew up with both the NES and the Master System, but I was always a Sega/Sonic fan, and never really cared much for Nintendo's first party stuff besides the first three SMB games. Fast forward to 2011, and SMB1-3 and SMG are still more or less the only first-party games by Nintendo I care about (haven't played SMG2). Stuff like Metroid, Zelda, Super Mario World.. meh. Don't care. They're obviously well-made games, but I don't really 'get' what it is that makes people go absolutely gaga whenever Nintendo announces yet another Zelda game.
Also, I don't really get the insane love for Nintendo's first party. I grew up with both the NES and the Master System, but I was always a Sega/Sonic fan, and never really cared much for Nintendo's first party stuff besides the first three SMB games. Fast forward to 2011, and SMB1-3 and SMG are still more or less the only first-party games by Nintendo I care about (haven't played SMG2). Stuff like Metroid, Zelda, Super Mario World.. meh. Don't care. They're obviously well-made games, but I don't really 'get' what it is that makes people go absolutely gaga whenever Nintendo announces yet another Zelda game.
Although I shouldn't complain too much, considering I'm a rabid God of War fan, and GAF seems to hate the franchise
Metalmurphy
Member
Cool, a free pass to troll!
1- Team Fortress 2
Really?
2- 2 fucking fort
3- Heavy lines are NOT fucking funny.
4- You have got to be fucking shitting me...
5 - No, I don't fucking want to download <headshot sound nº423.wav> before I play.
6- Gameplay just isn't fun at all and quite unbalanced in some areas.
7- Seems that nobody gives a shit about the actual objectives.
8- Some other shit I don't remember.
1- Team Fortress 2
Really?
2- 2 fucking fort
3- Heavy lines are NOT fucking funny.
4- You have got to be fucking shitting me...
5 - No, I don't fucking want to download <headshot sound nº423.wav> before I play.
6- Gameplay just isn't fun at all and quite unbalanced in some areas.
7- Seems that nobody gives a shit about the actual objectives.
8- Some other shit I don't remember.
Metalmurphy
Member
I got a gaming PC and it still impressed me quit alot... And I figured that someone who gets impressed by The Two Worlds would be impressed easily lol.DennisK4 said:
Well... here goes;
Final Fantasy 7
Why it's loved;
Critical Acclaim - the game has a ludicrous amount of positive scores, with 9.5's and 10's being the norm.
It was the first 3D Final Fantasy - people like shiny new things, and this game delivered on that in spades.
It had "memorable" characters - sure, the main thing people remember is some flowery bint dying, but apparently the game's cast of characters were pretty good.
Why it sucks;
It was the first 3D Final Fantasy - With the 3D, came a desire to show off every bloody area of the game. The animations in battle are painfully slow, and unskippable animations mean that I have to watch cloud twirl his sword at the end of EVERY BATTLE, regardless to whether I want to or not. It's flashy, but after the first couple of bright sparks comes a desire to just turn off the f*cking lights.
The characters are terrible - seriously, look at this magical bunch of twats;
Let's look at each of them. Not too closely, mind you.
Red XIII - a pissed off clifford for all intents and purposes, he was experimented on by Shinra scientists. Effectively, he's the cowardly lion in this wizard of oz story.
Yuffie - a thief and a ninja. As an optional playable character, she doesn't really serve much of a purpose? Why include her then?
Vincent Valentine - oh good, an immortal. With a dark past. Yawn.
Cid Highwind - well, you have to have an airship, right? And who better to fly it than the guy with the name Square feels obliged to shove it into every entry in this series. Bonus point for crazy: He wanted to be the first man in outer space. A f*cking 8 year old then.
Tifa Lockhart - gotta give creeps something to fap over, right? Of course, she's a childhood friend of Clouds. That way, we have somebody with hidden feelings for the main character, and some unrequited love chucked into the mix. Oh, the humanity!
Barret Wallace - Mr. T with a gun arm
Cat Sith - something to make a toy out of. A robot cat riding on a moogle doll. In the a game with ridiculous characters, this one takes the prize. Bonus - dies, but a second identical one comes along to take its place. How convenient.
Cloud Strife - ooh, they put "Strife" in his name! He's always fighting, be it with himself, or with his effeminate counterpart. Carries a ludicrously large sword to make up for his painfully dull personality. Apparently he's "unsociable". I just think he's dull.
Aeris Gainsborough - ignoring the HORRIBLE last name, here's a flower girl that dies. I find it interesting that the most memorable characters in Final Fantasy 7 are the ones that die (Zack too applies here). Would Aerith be just as interesting if she had stayed alive?
No.
Well, there you have it. I had fun doing that
Final Fantasy 7
Why it's loved;
Critical Acclaim - the game has a ludicrous amount of positive scores, with 9.5's and 10's being the norm.
It was the first 3D Final Fantasy - people like shiny new things, and this game delivered on that in spades.
It had "memorable" characters - sure, the main thing people remember is some flowery bint dying, but apparently the game's cast of characters were pretty good.
Why it sucks;
It was the first 3D Final Fantasy - With the 3D, came a desire to show off every bloody area of the game. The animations in battle are painfully slow, and unskippable animations mean that I have to watch cloud twirl his sword at the end of EVERY BATTLE, regardless to whether I want to or not. It's flashy, but after the first couple of bright sparks comes a desire to just turn off the f*cking lights.
The characters are terrible - seriously, look at this magical bunch of twats;
Let's look at each of them. Not too closely, mind you.
Red XIII - a pissed off clifford for all intents and purposes, he was experimented on by Shinra scientists. Effectively, he's the cowardly lion in this wizard of oz story.
Yuffie - a thief and a ninja. As an optional playable character, she doesn't really serve much of a purpose? Why include her then?
Vincent Valentine - oh good, an immortal. With a dark past. Yawn.
Cid Highwind - well, you have to have an airship, right? And who better to fly it than the guy with the name Square feels obliged to shove it into every entry in this series. Bonus point for crazy: He wanted to be the first man in outer space. A f*cking 8 year old then.
Tifa Lockhart - gotta give creeps something to fap over, right? Of course, she's a childhood friend of Clouds. That way, we have somebody with hidden feelings for the main character, and some unrequited love chucked into the mix. Oh, the humanity!
Barret Wallace - Mr. T with a gun arm
Cat Sith - something to make a toy out of. A robot cat riding on a moogle doll. In the a game with ridiculous characters, this one takes the prize. Bonus - dies, but a second identical one comes along to take its place. How convenient.
Cloud Strife - ooh, they put "Strife" in his name! He's always fighting, be it with himself, or with his effeminate counterpart. Carries a ludicrously large sword to make up for his painfully dull personality. Apparently he's "unsociable". I just think he's dull.
Aeris Gainsborough - ignoring the HORRIBLE last name, here's a flower girl that dies. I find it interesting that the most memorable characters in Final Fantasy 7 are the ones that die (Zack too applies here). Would Aerith be just as interesting if she had stayed alive?
No.
Well, there you have it. I had fun doing that
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
I have a gaming PC and Uncharted 2 was only impressive if I ignored what I have seen on PC and put on my PS3 vision.Metalmurphy said:
minor effort said:
i think the word 'shmup' originates from some british commodore 64 magazine, and was of course popularized by shmups.com -- i think the weirdness of the word works in its favor, because you can give it a narrow and somewhat arbitrary definition and nobody will really argue about it. you can start a 'shmup appreciation thread' and there won't be much debate about what a shmup is, whereas a '2d shooter appreciation thread' would inevitably be full of indignant contra fans
MurkyZebra2417
Member
edit: nvm ^^
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Stallion Free said:
Nah. I do most of my gaming on PC, but Uncharted 2 still has some gorgeous rendering and art. Great use of shaders and some amazing textures, as well as what I'm pretty sure was SSAO.
That being said, because I'm a PC gamer I still couldn't help but think "This game really needs some better texture/shadow filtering, LOD distance, and a higher resolution"
.Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Come to think of it, I don't get the love for Diablo II either. So. Goddamn. Boring. The entire game consists of click click click click click click click click click click click. Fuck this, I'll have more fun fapping to Excel spreadsheets.
Metalmurphy
Member
Stallion Free said:
Do let me know when you see a PC game with as much texture variety, and the way they all "click" together, in a single area as U2. Good graphics isn't just resolution and SSAA.
Don't even need to mention the animations.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
Exactly. Oh and the offensively shit FMV encodes. I mean that stuff should have been real time and just throw in some loading screens.EatChildren said:That being said, because I'm a PC gamer I still couldn't help but think "This game really needs some better texture/shadow filtering, LOD distance, and a higher resolution"
CecilRousso
Member
I´m mostly a PC game and I´m very impressed with Uncharted graphics. It´s the gameplay that doesn´t impress me. The demo of Uncharted 2 felt like playing a modern version of the Rebel Assault games.
Metalmurphy
Member
Is MAG a Sacred Cow? I wanna troll that :/
So you could complain about the slow load times?Stallion Free said:
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