Aaronrules380
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Mario maker is rated more as a level creator than just a 2d platformers lets be honest. Not to mention the "potential" factor figures highly into such a level creator
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Robertson Rumor: Tanabe & Retro no longer on good terms, Sakamoto overseeing Retro
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There was a rumor in twitter shortly after the reveal of the game and he was briefly listed on Wikipedia as Supervisor but when that was brought up in the reveal thread we got this:
So who knows, that was a pretty interesting period for Nintendo internal teams.
Hosokawa and Morisawa also worked on Wario Land 4, Fusion, Zero and Other M. The continuity is there, except for Other M those three people were the only ones left from the initial RD1 staff.
but those left retro long, long ago.
So out of that list he directed Super Metroid which is his best game on the list by far. He also produced some Warioware games as well as Rhythm Heaven and Tomodachi. (He had no involvement in Warioware Twisted which is my favorite one)
I dont understand why people think hes this legendary developer though? Hes no Gunpei Yokoi, Miyamoto, or Sakurai. Even with a game i love to death like Pikmin 2, i still dont like some decisions Miyamoto has made over the years.
Is it that hard to accept that Other M really soured people on Sakamoto?
It doesn't need to be salvaged. He's a great director and a great producer who had a misstep. The fact that some people on the internet CANNOT.LET.IT.GO is their problem.
There are plenty of director and producer roles in that gameography, as rhandino pointed out.
He's had a huge hand in Metroid throughout his career, including games people love like Super Metroid and Zero Mission, and has done a lot of work on Rhythm Heaven and Warioware, two series that are both very highly regarded.
A lot of people see the name Sakamoto and go "UGGGGH NOT ANOTHER OTHER M" while ignoring his enormous body of other work.
Don't you think it's kind of unreasonable to shit on a developer who has worked on dozens of good-to-great games for one stinker?
Also, Other M is literally the only one of his Metroid games people don't like. Super Metroid is widely regarded as one of the best SNES games. Zero Mission and Fusion both have large fanbases. Metroid 1, while it definitely does not hold up today, was downright revolutionary for its time.
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I pretty much focus all of my hate on the game and not him, but ultimately it'd go a long way for him to acknowledge that it was a troubled game.
Moon_frogger
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I'd prefer the team to do whatever they are most passionate about. From the looks of tropical freeZe they put a lot of heart and soul into that game but do they really want to keep doing dkc forever? I have my doubts
he's literally the first name in the credits
Ah i didnt see his name on the list. My fault then.
Its not that people are soured with him, is the claims that anything he could touch will turn to shit. Supe Metroid is arguably still the best in the franchise, and he still produces awesome games like Megamix. The guy deserves another chance.
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Also, I'd be totally fine with a different developer taking Retro's work on DKC and running with it. Retro itself proved that DKC wasn't just a Rare thing.
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I call bullshit of a he nth degree. While obviously I have no idea how Tanabe is personally, I have trouble believing he is not one of the best producers out there to work with.Retro "Making his bed" and trying to stab him in the back about being oppressed about the evil Japanese tyrant keeps dragging them down is just ridiculous. Tanabe us the number one producer in charge of overseas development and I doubt he thinks of himself as above the baka gaining who have no idea how to make Videogames. I very much doubt any drastic falling off happened.
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People still bitching as if Sakamoto is some sort of depraved lunatic are morons. Plain and simple. Grow up and use your heads or shut up.
I doubt Sakamoto who despite being one of Nintendo's biggest producers and backing up some of Nintendo's bigger hits, who has openly expressed his desire to move from traditional single player experience into games that can evoke communication and fun socially is gonna take over a studio like Retro. Sounds like the worst fan fiction that not even Paul Gale would have the nerve to make up.
Stupid all around but most from people comments about Sakamoto.
I call bullshit of a he nth degree. While obviously I have no idea how Tanabe is personally, I have trouble believing he is not one of the best producers out there to work with.Retro "Making his bed" and trying to stab him in the back about being oppressed about the evil Japanese tyrant keeps dragging them down is just ridiculous. Tanabe us the number one producer in charge of overseas development and I doubt he thinks of himself as above the baka gaining who have no idea how to make Videogames. I very much doubt any drastic falling off happened.
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People still bitching as if Sakamoto is some sort of depraved lunatic are morons. Plain and simple. Grow up and use your heads or shut up.
I doubt Sakamoto who despite being one of Nintendo's biggest producers and backing up some of Nintendo's bigger hits, who has openly expressed his desire to move from traditional single player experience into games that can evoke communication and fun socially is gonna take over a studio like Retro. Sounds like the worst fan fiction that not even Paul Gale would have the nerve to make up.
Stupid all around but most from people comments about Sakamoto.
He's most recent director credit isn't the best, and his best works were so long ago.
People will judge his credits on his recent output as a director and exactly how bad it was.
Can't really say anything he touches will be shit though, but people can be a bit turned off if he's directing.
Considering he directed one of the best games on the Virtual Boy i dont think hes total shit. Im just giving credit where its due for why Other M is how it is.
If they are under Sakamoto, they effectively are free. I don't know how many times this needs to be stated but Sakamoto was (prior to merger and promotions) the man in charge of all of SPD. He was Tanabe's boss and the man who oversaw all external production. If Retro is now directly under Sakamoto, they would effectively have (in the old structure) become their own branch of SPD rather than a sub-wing of SPD-3 under Tanabe. He has his own development team, he's not going to suddenly also be taking Retro under as a development team.
They serve to gain autonomy and clout from this, not lose it. They are now under one of the most senior and respected men at Nintendo, and I suspect either Sakamoto himself or Miyamoto was responsible for the shift as the latter is a fan of the studio.
This also gels well with the older rumor of them working on their own pitched project. If these rumors collide and verify, then, ya, Retro is effectively now operating under their own devices with Sakamoto as their direct connection to the NCL top.
No one is arguing that Sakamoto's directing and writing is a big reason why Other M is disliked. But to paint such a wide brush and assume he's just shit based on one game when the dude has such a huge and varied body of work is honestly unfair, and that's what a lot of people are doing.
The problem with this is that Retro is quite possibly / probably working on Metroid, which is Sakamoto's, well, baby. It makes sense that he'd leave other teams to do what they want to / need to, but with Metroid it's hard not to feel like he'd want to get hands on and interfere. It's also hard not to imagine that, as a high-level employee with plenty of pull, that he would have asked to be put in this position for exactly that purpose.
As far as I can tell he has never made a successful 3d title and his last decade is filled with various minigame collections of varying success. It's fair to be sceptical.
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I see no indication that Retro is working on Metroid.
I don't think we need him to make a public statement on it to give you catharsis.
Other M was a disappointment. These things happen. It's time to move on.
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The point isn't catharsis, it's to know that Other M isn't going to be reflective of Metroid for the future.
That's good
Sure, we don't know what Retro are working on. But history indicates there's a strong possibility that it's either DK or Metroid.
I guess the whole thing is that IF retro are working on a new metroid for NX (which makes sense to me as even a trailer of such would energise their hardcore support at launch) then I'd rather Sakamoto not be involved at all. If they're not making Metroid, then I feel like I lose anyway, as there's no new Retro Metroid. Feels like a lose-lose.
As noted, the rumors around Retro are that they pitched and were approved on a project that they wanted to do and not one that was mandated or passed down to them. Regardless of what it is, it is a good thing if Retro gets to make whatever Retro wants to make.
If its not a Metroid game, then it simply isn't what they wanted to make.
The idea that Retro is forced into making X game is so silly.
What part of "Please don't have Sakamoto work on Metroid again, the only one he's directed in the last decade was complete shit" calls him a depraved lunatic?
I think this is a good interpretation, assuming any of this is true. With all the restructuring that's happened, we probably have a better idea down the line of where Retro stands now.
Again, he'd be supervising, not directing or writing. That's a pretty important distinction, and makes the fears of an Other M 2 pretty unfounded.
I recall this rumor being trotted about several months back, and I'm not really sure that I buy it. It could merely be a shuffling around of talent. Tanabe could've stepped away from Retro to work more closely with NLG because they were working on Federation Force and therefore had someone stand in for him at Retro. Doesn't mean there was any sort of uprising against Tanabe.
Now of course, IF Sakamoto were to be in charge of Retro, which I find pretty unlikely, it would definitely point to them not working on Metroid Prime (since apparently they are considered separate franchises now), as it's Tanabe's baby. Retro would more than likely be handling a new main Metroid game, probably in 2D or 2.5D ala DKCR/TF. Miyamoto did say that they were generating ideas for both 2D and 3D Metroid games, and probably felt making the 3D for a handheld and 2D for a console would be a way to surprise people. Despite how much I hate Other M, I'm sure they're aware at this point that a big story-in-your-fucking-face Metroid game doesn't work, so I'd expect Sakamoto and Retro to be aiming for a "back to the roots" sort of Metroid.
Or it's all just a big bunch of bullshit, and nobody has any clue what Retro is up to, per fucking usual.
Now of course, IF Sakamoto were to be in charge of Retro, which I find pretty unlikely, it would definitely point to them not working on Metroid Prime (since apparently they are considered separate franchises now), as it's Tanabe's baby. Retro would more than likely be handling a new main Metroid game, probably in 2D or 2.5D ala DKCR/TF. Miyamoto did say that they were generating ideas for both 2D and 3D Metroid games, and probably felt making the 3D for a handheld and 2D for a console would be a way to surprise people. Despite how much I hate Other M, I'm sure they're aware at this point that a big story-in-your-fucking-face Metroid game doesn't work, so I'd expect Sakamoto and Retro to be aiming for a "back to the roots" sort of Metroid.
Or it's all just a big bunch of bullshit, and nobody has any clue what Retro is up to, per fucking usual.
Per fucking Donkey Kong.
Tbh I would call "crazy" or "King K Rool fan" to a person that entertain the notion that Sakamoto will not have ANY kind of involvement in any new Metroid game.
If his creative decisions for the last one were all terrible, why would I want him involved? Do you think that Sakamoto having some involvement in a Metroid game makes it inherently better?
I'm a little confused, is this good or bad? Isn't the timing a little too convinient?
Doing something not mature being equal to a waste of talent is the biggest bullshit I've heard in a while.
Guess like Miyamoto is now just the "man who ruined Paper Mario: Sticker Star", Sakamoto is just damned as the "man who ruined Metroid; Other M".
Doing something not mature being equal to a waste of talent is the biggest bullshit I've heard in a while.
Guess like Miyamoto is now just the "man who ruined Paper Mario: Sticker Star", Sakamoto is just damned as the "man who ruined Metroid; Other M".
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I think you are confusing him with Shinya Takahashi. Though I think when Iwata finally let him run SPD, Sakamoto became Deputy General Manager for a couple years. Even then, SPD is really confusing since Tanabe has been an Executive Officer for a while which was more like managing the half of SPD that wasn't under Yamagami or Sakamoto (until his promotion). Essentially, they have equal standing (along with Tezuka) now and then EPD formed completely and now we don't know what's going on
Miyamoto didn't direct Sticker Star, he just passed down some mandates.
Sakamoto directed and wrote Other M. Every terrible aspect of the game, from the controls to the level design to the story, was on him.
Ignoring that most people don't view Miyamoto that way, it's still a ridiculous comparison.
What does creative freedom mean in the context of Nintendo? I know people love to bring up Splatoon, but that game is backed by a huge marketing push which justfies new characters and also happens to be part of a massively popular genre that wasn't represented on Nintendo systems.
Nintendo has plenty of proven system sellers that MUST receive NX sequels:
2D Mario
3D Mario
Mario Maker
Animal Crossing
Tomodachi Life
Pokemon
Super Smash Bros.
Mario Kart
Splatoon
Zelda
to a lesser extent, but almost guaranteed to get sequels on NX:
Hyrule Warriors
Fire Emblem
Luigi's Mansion
Pikmin 4
Xenoblade
That's alot for Nintendo's teams to handle. In Retro's case they're not really involved with any of those and since TF didn't perform that well they could be doing anything. Would a sole mature experience bring in new audiences? Would it sell to Nintendo's current userbase? Is it a good idea to introduce a fourth competitive online multiplayer game considering MK8 kinda died after Splatoon launched? I'm guessing we're getting either Prime 4, Donkey Kong 3D World or a Zelda spinoff.
Nintendo has plenty of proven system sellers that MUST receive NX sequels:
2D Mario
3D Mario
Mario Maker
Animal Crossing
Tomodachi Life
Pokemon
Super Smash Bros.
Mario Kart
Splatoon
Zelda
to a lesser extent, but almost guaranteed to get sequels on NX:
Hyrule Warriors
Fire Emblem
Luigi's Mansion
Pikmin 4
Xenoblade
That's alot for Nintendo's teams to handle. In Retro's case they're not really involved with any of those and since TF didn't perform that well they could be doing anything. Would a sole mature experience bring in new audiences? Would it sell to Nintendo's current userbase? Is it a good idea to introduce a fourth competitive online multiplayer game considering MK8 kinda died after Splatoon launched? I'm guessing we're getting either Prime 4, Donkey Kong 3D World or a Zelda spinoff.
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Well the Other K part of the joke was made...
Personally I want to see DK suffering a panic attack upon seeing either Mario or K Rool for the millionth time.
Because it's one of the most jaded, vapid and deceitful slander that has spread like wild fire in modern social media. That instead of understanding the triumphs and underachievements that came from the end product they just jump on a bandwagon on stuff like "the baby".
If you think Sakamoto, Morisawa and Hosokawa wouldn't be able to draw from their strengths and years of experience in order to make a masterpiece like Fusion or Zero mission today then I don't think we can even have a discussion because it ignores the whole context of why other m is what it is.
It's a moot point because I have no doubts that Tanabe is working with Retro on Prime 4
NATURAL SPLENDOUR for title of federation force OT?
I wonder if he says that in bed
Maybe Other K will be the anti-Other M: Instead of being a terrible new 3D vision of Metroid following the great Metroid Prime games, it will be a fantastic new 3D vision of Donkey Kong following the garbage Donkey Kong 64.
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