evil solrac v3.0 said:
It was agreed upon the multiple parties, but like it is mentioned above (and on the interview by the victim herself) the judge and DA were looking after themselves.
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Roman Polanski's Carnage (Foster, Winslet, Waltz, Reilly)
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It was agreed upon the multiple parties, but like it is mentioned above (and on the interview by the victim herself) the judge and DA were looking after themselves.
Pristine_Condition
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THE-Pink-Dagger said:
We know he drugged and raped a little girl in the ass that day. He admitted to it in court.
Noshino said:
It wasn't. Polanski's lawyers claim it was, but the court records clearly state that Polanski and his attorney both knew, and verbally acknoledged that no deal existed, and he could very well be sentenced to more time at his actual sentencing date.
Go to TheSmokingGun.com and look it up. It's right there in writing with both Polanski and his lawyer answering the judge that they understood.
Expendable.
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Computer said:
Yeah, I plan to watch all of his movies eventually.
THE-Pink-Dagger
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Pristine_Condition said:
I may be wrong, but I don't think that because he admitted it that it happened exactly the way it is said to have happened. I mean, don"t some people admit to being guilty sometimes because it might be a better deal for them, legally speaking?! (or because they are advised to plead guilty)
Schmattakopf
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Well then. Looks like I'm going to Venice. I can't stand John C. Reilly but ... it's Roman Polanski.
Let's boycott 'em all, yeehaw!Computer said:
Seems silly to try and take some moral high ground simply because you aren't viewing his films in a movie theater or buying the DVD, yet still consuming them some other way. There's no meaningful distinction there; it should be all or nothing. If you can watch his films through an avenue that doesn't involve throwing whatever fraction of money his way, then you're admitting that you can separate work from personal life.
This has a lot less to do with "supporting Roman Polanski" by money or whatever means than drawing a general line between artistic output and personal life. I think the former should typically stand on its on unless there are parallels to be drawn between the two within the content (i.e. The Pianist and Polanski's past with the Holocaust).
I don't own any Polanski movie and haven't seen one in a theater, but I have enjoyed watching a variety of them over the years, and Polanski the fugitive doesn't really factor into the directorial work or any other aspect of the films.
This has a lot less to do with "supporting Roman Polanski" by money or whatever means than drawing a general line between artistic output and personal life. I think the former should typically stand on its on unless there are parallels to be drawn between the two within the content (i.e. The Pianist and Polanski's past with the Holocaust).
I don't own any Polanski movie and haven't seen one in a theater, but I have enjoyed watching a variety of them over the years, and Polanski the fugitive doesn't really factor into the directorial work or any other aspect of the films.
POWERSPHERE
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This thread has way too much 'anally and vaginally' in it.
Computer said:
I'll see his movies when he's still alive. Despite his age he'll hopefully make one or two more movies. What he did was despicable, but hey, he also made Rosemary's Baby, Chinatown and The Pianist. Since his victim has forgiven him years ago, there's not much to gain from putting Polanski in jail and I'd rather see him make more movies than waste his years in prison depriving the world of perhaps another masterpiece.
BTW I'm excited for Carnage. Great director and what a cast!
POWERSPHERE
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You don't like JCR, then yr already Dead.Schmattakopf said:
Pristine_Condition
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Noshino said:
Polanski agreed to all these terms before he ever accused the judge of anything.
He only accused the judge of stuff after he fled because he realized the judge was actually going to do what the judge told him he might do, and which he and his lawyer previously acknowledged he was in the judge's power to do.
Pristine_Condition said:
Im not even talking about Polanski.... Im talking about the comments made by the victim
Pristine_Condition
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Noshino said:
The victims statements about the conduct of the court, especially after she has received an undisclosed cash settlement from Polanski with undisclosed terms, are immaterial.
The fact is, she still says he raped her as a child, and that has never been in dispute. Polanski has still never been punished for that crime according to the law. That is what is material here.
And did you listen to that interview? She's clearly kinda nuts, unfortunately. Probably because she was raped as a child. She says, it was bad, and she was raped, but she says it wasn't as bad as the prosecutor asking for extradition using SARCASM? SARCASM is worse than ANAL RAPE of a 13 year old? And her mom appreciated his note saying he was sorry? You think this woman is sane and what she has to say on the matter should be considered at this point?
I see that video and I think "Wow, Polanski fucked her up for life." And that saddens me greatly and makes me more angry that he's never paid for his crime.
And ultimately, that's where all the blame goes. To Polanski.
If he hadn't raped her, the Euro media wouldn't have labeled her a "lolita seductress" which fucked her up. It's his fault those newspaper stories were printed.
If Polanski hadn't raped her, there would be no "prosecutorial misconduct" or "grandstanding judges" or whatever bullshit excuses Polanski's lawyers have trotted out over the years. It's his fault there were prosecutors and judges involved in her life at all.
If he hadn't raped her and ran, this story wouldn't pop up everytime the man makes a movie, and she might have been able to get on with her life.
It's all his fault.
Polanski is a disgusting human being who I would love to see returned to the US for sentencing. He's also a great director, but I value a good and honest society more than cinema. I try my best to support him as little as possible.
Basically correct, yes. Victims' desires are irrelevant with criminal proceedings, but they often get to make a statement when it comes to sentencing, but that doesn't have to actually be taken into account. Hell, even that might be too much input from victims and their families.Computer said:
Bingo. This is the truth, no matter what lies and obfuscation Polanski and his friends have tried to spin since. It's all right there in the court record.Pristine_Condition said:
He's spent decades flouting the US legal system and basic decency. There's always something to be gained from rectifying that, otherwise the system loses its credibility.ymmv said:
POWERSPHERE
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Fuck Roman, lets just revel in how gross, corny & horrid this flyer is. "Hey, lets show a range of emotions from our actors, you know, acting". Ergh...
Ash Sparrow
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Rosemarys baby is a precursor to the real life act, in the movie, which i admit is a great movie a woman is drugged and raped by the devil. Dude needs help.
Pristine_Condition said:
Thank you. Although I am baffled that someone (the poster you're responding to) would do the mental gymnastics required to ignore the undisputed rape to even touch upon the court procedures. In defense of a child rapist. What is going on? Jesus.
Ash Sparrow
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Me aswell, not seeing anything he makes and am disappointed in the actors working with him
Fuck this guy.
I will not seperate a man from his art when that man is alive today, has escaped justice and lives a life of wealth and ease. I don't care about art. The crime he committed matters much more.
Yeah, the world is messed up. It's horrible. There isn't justice everywhere. There are plenty of things that go unpunished and many terrible crimes that sicken people. But this fucker is someone we keep in the spotlight, allow to continue his passion, and people continue to support his art. He's not in some downtrodden country but fucking France. A modern, western country.
I will not seperate a man from his art when that man is alive today, has escaped justice and lives a life of wealth and ease. I don't care about art. The crime he committed matters much more.
Yeah, the world is messed up. It's horrible. There isn't justice everywhere. There are plenty of things that go unpunished and many terrible crimes that sicken people. But this fucker is someone we keep in the spotlight, allow to continue his passion, and people continue to support his art. He's not in some downtrodden country but fucking France. A modern, western country.
Ash Sparrow
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I believe her life was threatened by his friends or supporters
-Pyromaniac-
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Polanski is great at making em movies here so I'm down, I haven't even heard of this much till now.
Treefingers
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Sounds interesting! Nice to see Waltz in this.
junesongprovider
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Treefingers said:
Yes. I am glad he is getting big. Thank you, Tarantino.
crowphoenix
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Man, fuck Polanski. And fuck him using tragedy to excuse being a pedophile and a rapist. He's a disgusting shit bucket.
ThisWreckage
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If I'm being honest, I'll probably go see the movie multiple times, buy the Blu Ray, lend it out to my friends, and put it on my Best of 2011 list just to piss some of you off.
TheKaeptain
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I'll watch it when it is on HBO or some other channel. I won't PAY money for it.
Wiktor
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I saw it and it doesn't convince me. I don't see anything that terrible in his actions. Yes, he did a bad thing, but "OMG! Teh child rapist. He's such a monster" nonsense is overblown. THe girl was pretty much a cumdumpster for hollywood elite back then. Bassicaly her parents pimped her out to whoever had the power back then.icarus-daedelus said:
Polanski says it wasn't rape (as in..he forced her, statutory rape is pretty idiotic law construct) and I believe him. Especially since he never did something like this before or after.
Treefingers
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Clearly.Eric WK said:
Wiktor
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I think it was terrible, just not "that terrible". People have been comparing him to Hitler and OJ Simpson in this thread, which is simply ridiculous. He did a very bad thing, but the fault isn't all on him and what he did doesn't earn him an opinion of a monster he gets from some peopleBlader5489 said:
It's more of her parents fault. And yes I'm serious. People here post laughable stuff like "OMG! Her life was destroyed by him". Like she was some innocent child who was kidnapped, chained to the wall and then raped. This girl was screwed up long before Polanski laid his hands on her. It doesn't make what he did any less of a sin, but the effects of his actions aren't anywhere near as bad as people here claim them to be.Blader5489 said:
I feel like both sides arguing in here are partially wrong.
- Polanski is a great director and what he has done in the past shouldn´t be affected by his crime.
- However, he *did* rape a girl. He´s not a pedophile, since the girl was 13 and not 10, but he did rape her. Therefore, people should boycott all of his work he did *after* his crime. This is unacceptable. A man who committed a serious crime shouldn´t be supported afterwards.
I´m actually deeply disappointed that so many movie-fans in this thread defend Polanski under the disguise of "art" and such nonsense.
- Polanski is a great director and what he has done in the past shouldn´t be affected by his crime.
- However, he *did* rape a girl. He´s not a pedophile, since the girl was 13 and not 10, but he did rape her. Therefore, people should boycott all of his work he did *after* his crime. This is unacceptable. A man who committed a serious crime shouldn´t be supported afterwards.
I´m actually deeply disappointed that so many movie-fans in this thread defend Polanski under the disguise of "art" and such nonsense.
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