Movement felt great. Some people are just upset that something changed in a CoD game for once.
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Rumor: Black Ops 3 beta for pre-orders/ release date 11.6.15 (on a Friday)
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Thrust jumps in any direction but up are a good thing, IMO.
Manoeuvrability increases survivability.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
At least it seems like they're combating the criticism that the exo suit jumping was stupid when combined with the shitty map design but I just don't buy that you can be successful without it. Then what the fuck is the point of it if there's no advantage? For people who wanna bounce around?
I'd rather them do a traditional controls only playlist. Guarantee you it carries the most players.
I'd rather them do a traditional controls only playlist. Guarantee you it carries the most players.
Duxxy3
Member
Awful control scheme and it removed all strategy from the game.
What the fuck?
the increased jumps ruined any sort of map design AW had. doesn't help the spawn system was shit and the TTK was short as fuck.
terrible terrible game
I...think so?
Map design was at fault if anything, so if Treyarch build good enough maps we should be fine.
It was the first time since CoD4 I felt like I could actually survive a one on one fight. I've never been good at MP games, especially CoD, since I don't have ultra fast reflexes but added mobility helped me a good deal.
I also thought the campaign was one of the best in the series from a gameplay standpoint.
I would agree with this. If we can get a good spawn system, better maps and a higher TTK I'm cool.
No, no it wasn't. It was ok but nowhere near the best imo.
Also you could probably survive one on one's due to that horrible TTK and host advantages which were so fucking prevalent. Put me off AW so much.
Welfare
Member
@charlieINTEL
Something tells us this Sunday's reveal won't be the traditional campaign reveal we've come to expect#Soon #BlackOps3
You are wrong and full of wrong opinions
NOPE.
Tell me how I jump into S&D and every single person hoppin' to the middle so basically games were short as fuck and S&D was basically rendered useless tactially-wise. You don't get that intense feeling anymore at. Shit was horrible.
Reckless Onion
Member
i know a lot of people who agree tho.
I used to unconditionally agree with you on everything, but this I can't stand by. AW MP was just awful.
Regret Upon Approval
Member
I wonder when the beta will run. Will it be a glorified demo or early enough that feedback plays a role?
lol
Two Blops threads, argument per.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=161470519#post161470519
lol
Two Blops threads, argument per.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=161470519#post161470519
ChimpanzeeThat
Member
In all honesty the movement system in AW is flawed, but to say it had a negative effect on map design is plain wrong. The best thing about AW's maps is the offer of verticality, the ability to climb on a roof or totally skip using a ladder to get on a walk way, it has literally added another level to maps.
The flawed part of the movement, in my opinion anyway, is the dodge/strafe part. It allowed people to traverse the maps in next to no time and really took tactics away from the game (yes guys, there are tactics in COD, weird i know lol) as you could just strafe and dodge everyone. Even worse is that on a bad connection, a strafing player is pretty much untouchable.
The flawed part of the movement, in my opinion anyway, is the dodge/strafe part. It allowed people to traverse the maps in next to no time and really took tactics away from the game (yes guys, there are tactics in COD, weird i know lol) as you could just strafe and dodge everyone. Even worse is that on a bad connection, a strafing player is pretty much untouchable.
WhiskerFrisker
Member
What's the point of verticality if there's no strategic value to it? Everyone jumped around like monkeys hip firing because of the "verticality". The maps were poorly designed.
Basically destroyed Search and Destroy for me.
Actually I'm the opposite: I hated the vertical aspects but I thought boost dodging was great.
blacklabel93
Neo Member
There was no coherence between gameplay and map design. Also it brought strategy to a new low as everyone was scattered all over the place and just felt like a huge mess. Choke points were non existent.
ChimpanzeeThat
Member
There can be strategic value to it, giving players a better vantage point and other paths, but Sledgehammer got it wrong. Personally i would have jump points that allowed you to reach higher paths but also meant you weren't able to use them anywhere else, a bit like an advanced version of mantling.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I'll fight you right now breh.
The maps weren't designed for it. I firmly believe that. If treyarch can honestly design maps where it makes no difference if you use it or don't use it (don't see how that's possible) then I'll give them props but I feel like someone's getting screwed. Either the people that like it (booo you guys) or the people that don't. I can't grasp how everyone can win here.
What is the best Call of Duty to you?
Have to get my opinion out there man gotta let these ppl know. Let us not remember AW in any way at all.
privitsan02
Member
So basically no camping and you need to keep moving around the map..? Wasn't that always the bane of Call of Duty? Camping or "strategic placement", whatever you want to call it. Unless there's more?
first coherent thing you've said
lmaaooooo
If you only played COD sure but if you also played Halo or Titanfall then you would appreciate the freedom of movement.
What about me? I play CoD all the time and really liked EXO movement. I don't think it's nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
iShouldGoPro
Member
11615.
The numbers, Mason
What do they mean
The numbers, Mason
What do they mean
WhiskerFrisker
Member
COD 4 didn't have the Ass Clapper-130 as a killstreak so no, it's not the best.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
But if you liked those games you rather play them instead I bet
Regret Upon Approval
Member
I won't lie. The glitchiness of MW2 made it the funnest CoD for me.
Clear the airspace, I got 2 Pavelows to call in guiz.
You two finally made up!
Clear the airspace, I got 2 Pavelows to call in guiz.
You two finally made up!
You are right but it is kind of nice to finally see COD borrowing gameplay elements from other franchises for a change (reverse ADS).
iShouldGoPro
Member
Can we put "GameStop" in the OP title, mods?
I got so excited when I thought I could do this through BB.
Guess I can pre order with GS and cancel though
I got so excited when I thought I could do this through BB.
Guess I can pre order with GS and cancel though
FreshCakes
Banned
Agreed.
Akimbo Shotguns
Commando
Marathon
plus running around with a care package grenade knifing people.
Maps were great in COD4, but there was a lot wrong with cod4 (3x frag, noob tube enemy team at start of match, martyrdom, acog sniper)
There was a lot of good though (weapon variety, maps, dlc even if it only was one map pack, imagine we had more)
As much as I love blops2
Black ops 1 was the anti mw2 and felt more like cod4 to me, so that was my favorite (plus everything it introduced)
AW has a classic playlist and it's a wasteland.
legacyzero
Banned
Because it changed for the worse. Sure, movement felt great, but I feel it messed up the flow of the COD formula, when they were seemingly trying to keep that same formula. Maps were kinda tiny, crampy, limiting (Strangely with the "verticality" that they were going for).
And one of the greater aspects of COD MP was having a decent idea of where the enemy was on the battlefield (Post patches to fix shitty spawns).
With the new exo movements, map control, and situation awareness were severely diminished because people could bounce around all the fuck they wanted approaching from many different angles. Sure it played fun, but it didn't do the formula justice.
I really think it needed bigger, less crampy maps, to really let it shine. To it's credit, the maps were hardly symmetrical, which is amazing. Fuck Black Ops 2 for shitting up it's multiplayer with mostly symmetrical maps.
This strikes me as odd.
I really think this new COD is going to have to reinvent the formula like COD4 did for the franchise way back when. Perhaps they're attempting to do that, and they're trying to make a splash with a beta.
And maybe. JUST FUCKING MAYBE, they'll give us ACTUAL Dedicated Servers. Not that "Listen Server" shit that they seem to think is the same thing.