People who WANT this game to fail baffles me. How is that good for ANYBODY?
It's the false reasoning of: "If they fail at making a game that doesn't appeal to me, they therefore could in the future make games that do appeal to me."
People who WANT this game to fail baffles me. How is that good for ANYBODY?
I think EA should be rightfully afraid of...other high profile MMOs such as Tera
People who WANT this game to fail baffles me. How is that good for ANYBODY?
Do you think investors will ever push for a big budget MMO again if TOR is a complete train wreck? Especially after the stream of WoW clones that have crashed and burned.
Big budget shit games should crash and burn. $200 million on TOR and this is what was delivered? Inexcusable. How many good games could have been made with that $200 million? How many more WoW clones do we need?
How many more WoW clones do we need?
Big budget shit games should crash and burn. $200 million on TOR and this is what was delivered? Inexcusable. How many good games could have been made with that $200 million? How many more WoW clones do we need?
Yeah, so glad Blizzard came along and invented the genre. Can't imagine a world before online fantasy RPGs. Can't believe none existed before 2004!
That's not what people mean when they call something a WoW-clone.Yeah, so glad Blizzard came along and invented the genre. Can't imagine a world before online fantasy RPGs. Can't believe none existed before 2004!
Well considering what I paid for SWTOR, I could have bought a really good prostitute for one night and had WAY more fun than spending it on TORtanic.
The game would have been better off as a single player game (with optional co-op), a better engine, and a more important overall narrative
Right, and I agree. But until these games actually come out and do damage, saying it's a sinking ship is overkill. The people saying the game is shit were the same people saying it was shit at launch when it sold 2 million copies and kept a significant portion of those subs (whatever the real number) for several months.
God knows the game has its problems, but it wasn't designed for the GAF zerg. People who WANT this game to fail baffles me. How is that good for ANYBODY? Do you think investors will ever push for a big budget MMO again if TOR is a complete train wreck? Especially after the stream of WoW clones that have crashed and burned.
But I know the Internet hates Lucas, EA, and BioWare, so can't be too surprised.
TOR is good until you get to 50 and realize there's nothing to do. It kind of crashes and burns at that point. Run the same 5-10 dungeons ad nauseum and the best part of the game ends abruptly forever unless you make an alt and do it all over.
The game would have been better off as a single player game (with optional co-op), a better engine, and a more important overall narrative
Yeah it was crazy how the story just ended and then it's like "okay now go grind on dungeons for slightly better looking low-res armor."
It's the false reasoning of: "If they fail at making a game that doesn't appeal to me, they therefore could in the future make games that do appeal to me."
Right, and I agree. But until these games actually come out and do damage, saying it's a sinking ship is overkill. The people saying the game is shit were the same people saying it was shit at launch when it sold 2 million copies and kept a significant portion of those subs (whatever the real number) for several months.
God knows the game has its problems, but it wasn't designed for the GAF zerg. People who WANT this game to fail baffles me. How is that good for ANYBODY? Do you think investors will ever push for a big budget MMO again if TOR is a complete train wreck? Especially after the stream of WoW clones that have crashed and burned.
But I know the Internet hates Lucas, EA, and BioWare, so can't be too surprised.
What is the game supposed to do though? Single player games end too.
What is the game supposed to do though? Single player games end too.
That's false equivalency. SP game you don't continue to pay for. MMO's you do. Ergo: that's why some are saying it should go F2P.
Oh nice, blame it on GAF (which you are also a part of) and the Internet as a whole. How about they just made a shitty game that isn't very appealing?
If SWTOR is the result of a push for a "big budget MMO", then I can't wait until the smaller budget studios start churning out their MMORPGs.
Let's ignore GW and replace it wi GW2 or better yet replace it with LOTRO which is free. LOTRO comes out with heaps of content for free, not only that they are making more money than they did while they where P2P.
The $10-20 a month excuse for content and server costs needs to die in a fire.
Big budget shit games should crash and burn. $200 million on TOR and this is what was delivered? Inexcusable. How many good games could have been made with that $200 million? How many more WoW clones do we need?
Not necessarily "they", but other developers might try something besides yet another copy of WoW if they see massive WoW-clones crashing and burning left and right.
I'm not sure that it's false reasoning at all.
Oh nice, blame it on GAF (which you are also a part of) and the Internet as a whole. How about they just made a shitty game that isn't very appealing?
If SWTOR is the result of a push for a "big budget MMO", then I can't wait until the smaller budget studios start churning out their MMORPGs.
Maybe it shouldn't have tried to be a mediocre single player game with MMORPG elements attached here and there. SWTOR actively discourages player interaction. It probably has the most non-existent community of any MMORPG to date. I don't know what they were expecting from players who stuck around for the story stuff (which is obviously what they put most of their effort into). "Now that you've completed the story arc, go do mindless dungeons with a bunch of people you've spent the last 200 hours completely ignoring so you can get incremental item upgrades!"
The F2P fad is destroying the industry and in the end we will have no one to blame but ourselves.
I utterly fail to see how this is a negative.Do you think investors will ever push for a big budget MMO again if TOR is a complete train wreck? Especially after the stream of WoW clones that have crashed and burned.
People keep mentioning EQ like they played it or know what the fuck they're talking about.
People keep mentioning EQ like they played it or know what the fuck they're talking about.
I played EQ from release, all the way up untill temple of veeshan. I am 27 by the way. When SWTOR was announced I was excited, then I waited. I let it launch, the server queues and bugs. Said to myself let's let this baby roast in the oven and see what happens, after about 1 month I could tell this was going to fail. Really I can't tell you why, or how, but I knew. Maybe it was the fact that all my friends were not shitting their pants, or telling me to play. Who knows, but I definitely knew.
From what I understand the main gripe and biggest problem is literally no end game other than running dungeons for incremental upgrade. If you do not have a good guild system, with really fun/challenging dungeons and boss's, there really is no point to your game if it's supposed to be an MMO.
Yeah, was referring more to the people who go "lol EQ" anytime you point out that SWTOR is yet another in a long line of WoW clones.
The F2P fad is destroying the industry and in the end we will have no one to blame but ourselves
WOW was also a mess of a game at launch , how it survied I have no idea but it certianly wasn't good and had very little content compared to older games like EQ and UO
The F2P fad is destroying the industry and in the end we will have no one to blame but ourselves.
The F2P fad is destroying the industry and in the end we will have no one to blame but ourselves.
As for ToR I had hopes for it but I should have known a big budget EA game wasn't going to push any boundaries. It was solid fun for one level 50 character, though I started burning out in the late 40s, but after that I found it impossible to level another character. I tried because I wanted to experience other class stories, but you only get like 1 class quest for every 10 standard MMO quests and there's no other leveling path like in WoW with the 2nd continent. I couldn't get a 2nd character past level 20 before burning out doing the same exact shit I just did.
The game would have been better off as a single player game (with optional co-op), a better engine, and a more important overall narrative
How is SW TOR any diffrent than WoW they both end with only raiding and pvp as end game content .
WOW was also a mess of a game at launch , how it survied I have no idea but it certianly wasn't good and had very little content compared to older games like EQ and UO . Yet some how dispite it being a mediocre single play gamer (because soloing was the fastest way to level in the game ) it still had many people paying a monthly subscription until an expansion pack came out. Now we are sitting 6/7 years later and everyone talks about how great WOW is and how others games are crap compared to it .
The simple fact of the matter is that MMO's need to time grow , you can't expect a new game to have the same level of content as older games.
The F2P fad is destroying the industry and in the end we will have no one to blame but ourselves.
Try playing a character on the opposite faction, but I agree that is a problem. I listen to podcast while leveling alts.
It's the game that brought us into the shitty place we are in now when it comes to MMORPGs.
I'm not a fan of WoW. It's the game that brought us into the shitty place we are in now when it comes to MMORPGs. However, at release, it still had a lot of elements that encouraged social interaction and grouping with other players. Also, compared to the previous MMORPG launches, WoW's went pretty damn smoothly. You've got to take it in the context of what was available at the time. Comparing TOR of late 2011 to WoW of early 2005 just doesn't make much sense.
Uh, what? You're blaming Blizzard/WoW for being so popular/good that other companies cloned it? Logic, how does it work?