Syphon Filter
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Yea like steam does. That will be a nice idea.
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RUMOR: PS4 emulation of PS1/2 games.
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Yea like steam does. That will be a nice idea.
Not when they could make more money off Now lol
I remember when I got a PS3 and naively thought Sony would at some point allow me to rip my PS1 discs onto the PS3 to play. Why wouldn't they! That would be awesome! I mean, the OG Xbox let you rip music CDs...
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Supporting PS1+PS2 discs would be a hardcore gamer feature. Supporting that actually would make sense, because that type of gamer buys the most games. It would be a reason to buy a PS4. If they got a proper software emulator and don't support that, it wouldn't be a technical hurdle. It would be simple greed.
Customers who abuse that feature as in buy a PS1 game used, rip it to their PS3 and then sell it afterwards?
Unless they have a way of uniquely identifying every disk like they did with PSP carts, it can never happen.
RPGCrazied
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I wish they would put the PS2 emulation back into the PS3. I'd then go on a hunt to buy all those awesome jrpg's I don't have anymore.
Acquiescence
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Thanks. That's really promising then - I look forward to that particular update.
I've had two 60gb models, both died while playing PS2 games. I couldn't spend any more money on those ticking time bombs.
I honestly believe the PS2 parts in the system were a huge factor in the high failure rate, too much heat.
Napalm_Frank
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Or they could get money from both Now and selling games.
Bluekaveli
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Would you pay 40 bucks to unlock the feature to play ps1 and 2 games via disk?
I'd like Sony to announce all future Playstaions will use x86 hardware, and PS4 games will be forward compatible with future Playstations. I would also like Sony to make PS1 and PS2 games become available. The only games missing would be PS3 games, but they should port their most popular games, and get 3rd parties who already have PC versions to port their games to PS4 similar to Tomb Raider. They need to make PSN more like Steam with a library of games that is always compatible with newer hardware. There is no excuse now that they are using PC hardware.
Napalm_Frank
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outunderthestars
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Go buy a used ps2 for $30?
It was a rough estimate for what I'd expect to be a small download. If you're willing to pay more then great. We still have no information on this at all so it'll be interesting to see if they make it available to people without the purchase of PS Now, in whatever form it takes.
Wasn't supposed to be offensive, I was just saying I'd pay a lot for this.
Although realistically, I don't think this has anything to do with being able to play with PS1/PS2 discs.
i don't have a ps2 anymore. <_<
Manmademan
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don't see why it wouldn't be. PS1 games were disc or download on PS3, and are so ancient by now (no one sells these) there's no reason to arbitrarily lock out disc based games for these.
PS2? pretty much the same deal. Even used PS2 games are difficult to find outside of amazon or ebay. Sony is going to still sell plenty of digital copies even with disc based emulation available. Disc based PS2 games didn't work on the PS3, because PS2 classics had to be altered on a game by game basis by sony to run well on that emulator. The PS4 is powerful enough, that's no longer necessary.
RadarScope1
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On the contrary, it's still good to me. I want to play games I've already bought on PSN on my newest hardware. While discs would be awesome, I don't expect it to happen. I really think anyone expecting so should check their expectations. A simple continuation of what's available on the PS3 is what's to be expected.
Why haven't people been posting PCSX2 screenshots in this thread for a taste of what 1080p PS2 games look like? There was just the PS1 shots posted a while back.
PS2 emulation is in the PS3. The PS2 classics line on PSN is the result. It's just that the PS3 can't emulate PS2 with anything close to perfect accuracy.
PS2 emulation is in the PS3. The PS2 classics line on PSN is the result. It's just that the PS3 can't emulate PS2 with anything close to perfect accuracy.
Haeralis The BRave
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This.
SapientWolf
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It should be both, because some game discs are incredibly hard to find *clutches copy of Team Buddies*.
They should do that. Give people 50% discount. Tying up gamers' library deeper and deeper into PSN would only build royalty.
Hades Hotgun
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The PS3 supports disc based backwards compatibility, so...
Sparrowhawk
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I'd love to play an upscaled Dark Cloud or Dragon Quest VIII. The PS2 is still one of my favorite systems of all time. PS1 is amazing, too.
disappeared
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I just want to play the proper version of Silent Hill 2 again. Please, Sony?
Zeyphersan
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I have over 65 PS2 games, and have only played about 5 of them. Disc-based emulation of those would GREATLY increase the speed with which I buy a PS4. I would love some upscaling + one less component-based console.
immortal-joe
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I swear, we are more likely to get Shenmue 3, Half Life 3 and Yakuza 5 localization news before we are allowed to play PS2/PSone disks on the PS4.
There is no scenario where that is possible. Not happening.
They will enable emulation on the existing PSN content; if we're really lucky, they'll simultaneously announce an influx of additional PS2 content to fill out the small library currently available.
There is no scenario where that is possible. Not happening.
They will enable emulation on the existing PSN content; if we're really lucky, they'll simultaneously announce an influx of additional PS2 content to fill out the small library currently available.
Exr
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If playing them off disc is possible id buy a PS4 just for this...but I have to agree with you. The infrastructure they have setup now with PSClassics being sold on PSN makes me doubt this news.
What actual evidence makes you think this?
immortal-joe
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First, sorry about replying late, was away from Gaf.
Now, the "evidence" is simply what Sony has been doing throughout last gen: re-selling PS1/2 games on PSN while phasing out console BC.
They were generating revenue from people buying (or re-buying) their PS1/2 games to play on PSP / PS3 / Vita.
Outside of Internet goodwill, there is absolutely no reason why they would suddenly cripple this source of income by allowing you to simply play the disk version you already own.
Then you factor in the third party publishers who own many of the popular IPs from the PS1/2 heyday. Just look at how many weeks FFVII has spent as the best-selling PSone classic on PSN.
Let's be reasonable here.
RoadHazard
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They could just make you always keep the disc in the drive for authentication. But then why not just let you run the game off the disc directly (or copy it to the HDD, as is done with all PS4 games).
PS3? And also streaming to non-console devices...
Ein Bear
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If anything, that proves that they will allow discs to work on the PS4. My disc based copy of Final Fantasy VII plays just fine on my PS3, yet allowing it to do so hasn't had a negative impact on sales of the digital version.
I feel like they'll support discs. It would earn them a lot of goodwill, they have a history of doing it with PS1 games on the PS3, and I doubt it will have much of an effect on sales. Not many people have stacks of PS1/2 games laying around like we all do.
Giant Panda
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They aren't going to lock themselves into x86. They would prefer to stay with x86 but where technology goes might not comply.
KojiKnight
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Have you tried emulating a PS2 on a 1.6ghz octocore PC? Yeah, Sony is going to have lots more talented engineers and direct access to design specs/information, but there is only so much magic you can work. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of games work sub-optimally.
Not impossible, but a LOT of graphic effects don't scale like you'd imagine they would. In PCSX2 this is mostly overlays, effects, etc and the current "solution" is to skip rendering them if you want to use high resolution modes. You could hack up other solutions, but it would likely have to be on a per-game basis or you'd have to leave a ton of graphical bugs in place.
People pushing and trying to rationalize disc-based BC for media the PS4 can't physically play (CDs) are in for disappointment.
It'll come in the form of PS Now and traditional downloads on the PSN. There is no fiscal incentive for disc based backwards compatibility and PSN versions are more likely to support trophies and other modern perks, as they aren't static data like discs. The last all-encompassing hardware emulated Sony console cost $599.
That's "why not both."
It'll come in the form of PS Now and traditional downloads on the PSN. There is no fiscal incentive for disc based backwards compatibility and PSN versions are more likely to support trophies and other modern perks, as they aren't static data like discs. The last all-encompassing hardware emulated Sony console cost $599.
That's "why not both."
This thread is about PS1/PS2 emulation man.
isucamper1
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i think someone said this already, but what makes the most sense is sony offering disc based backward compatibility and free digital downloads of ps1 and ps2 games as a part of the playstation now subscription. just like how they offer free games as long as you are subscribed to psn. this would boost the subscription rate for the service and offer value to people who don't have fast enough connections to stream.
and remember, the people who write emulators on pc have to reverse engineer everything. at sony, software engineers can work with the actual people that designed the hardware to get the emulation figured out. considering this, the ps4 should be more than capable of emulating ps1 and ps2 games at high resolutions.
and remember, the people who write emulators on pc have to reverse engineer everything. at sony, software engineers can work with the actual people that designed the hardware to get the emulation figured out. considering this, the ps4 should be more than capable of emulating ps1 and ps2 games at high resolutions.
BobTheFork
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Emulation?!?! Dark Could 2 should be hardwired into that damn board.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Is it though? I haven't paid much attention to the emu scene for a while, but I was under the impression you needed a pretty beefy CPU for accurate PS2 emulation.
While on paper the PS4 is several leagues about the PS3, the PS3 actually has an advantage in clock speed.
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