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Rumor: PS5 devkits ~ 13 TFLOPS

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Why the console have to limit 150w power consumption? It if need more, Sony and MS will give it more, most PC gaming need 250-300w to do the same thing, so I don't worry about this problem. beside that, they can limit speed when run on 1080 screen resolution and only run max speed on 4k.
 
shark sandwich said:
Just think of what it would take for PS5 to be 13 TFLOPS. That means Navi 20 would have to MORE THAN DOUBLE the performance/watt of Vega 20..... and do so solely through architectural improvements since Vega 20 is already on 7nm.

That would be no less than the greatest leap in efficiency we've ever seen in Radeon's history.

Sorry man but that is sounding wildly optimistic at this point, especially in light of the recent rumors about Navi.
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shark sandwich said:
Just think of what it would take for PS5 to be 13 TFLOPS. That means Navi 20 would have to MORE THAN DOUBLE the performance/watt of Vega 20..... and do so solely through architectural improvements since Vega 20 is already on 7nm.

That would be no less than the greatest leap in efficiency we've ever seen in Radeon's history.

Sorry man but that is sounding wildly optimistic at this point, especially in light of the recent rumors about Navi.
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Nobody here knows what kind of power the PS5 will bring. So many tech experts here though seem dead set on 12-13 tflops.

Time will tell if they're accurate or idiots. :)
 
shark sandwich said:
1080 Ti-level gaming performance at 150W would represent roughly a 100% increase in performance per watt compared to Vega 64/Vega 20, for the record.

So yeah... that's one HELL of an increase especially considering Vega 20 is already 7nm.

If that's actually your prediction then okay. We'll see. My guess is you will be disappointed. I'd be happy to be wrong.
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7nm is capable of around a 100% increase in perf/watt. Compare Naples 32c to Time (damn autocorrect, obviously meant Rome) 64c.

The issue is the apparent 64CU limit for GCN. I do not see 14Tflops happening with 64 CUs. Clockspeeds need to be too high to be in the clockspeed, performance, power sweet spot.

If they could build an 80CU design then it becomes much more doable as the clockspeeds required are probably in that sweet spot.
 
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Something to think about: all the leaks talk about PS5 being a monster , very powerful , expensive parts , a beast & so on


OsirisBlack

As of right now the specifications are pretty much finalized some of the parts are a bit pricey at the moment so it wont be released for a while. Looking at another year to year and a half before its released but it should be announced very soon. Development kits are circulating Bend, Santa Monica, ND and Sucker Punch and Guerrilla are all hands on. The machine is 100% backwards compatible and very powerful. I have a better format but just to get it out there to you AMD Ryzen cpu custom configuration 3.20 ghz, 7nm Navi gpu 1.121 ghz 18GB RAM @880GB/s
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RuthenicCookie

PS experience returning, Most devs already have dev kits for ps5 ( Spoiler: It's a monster), Sony prepping hard for ps5 and one of the reason for no e3 next year because they blew all their load this year and got nothing new to show next year (They want to show new stuff at psx)
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4K/60 stable and at the same time kinda monster
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DeepEnigma said:
Not for nothing, but Zen and SSD were the natural progression the tech was headed. There was no other alternative going into 2020 with advancing processing and speed.

The easiest and safest bets.
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Nobody was thinking they'll put SSD builtin the console though. And most of us didn't think they'd put any SSD into the next-gen console just due to lack of size of the SSD and price.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Nobody was thinking they'll put SSD builtin the console though. And most of us didn't think they'd put any SSD into the next-gen console just due to lack of size of the SSD and price.
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..aaaand we still really don't know about SSD - it might be a 80GB cache that speeds up games you play a lot coupled with a standard platter HDD . or it might be a full 1TB SSD drive.

Prepare for disappointment .. be pleasantly surprised ?
 
mckmas8808 said:
Nobody was thinking they'll put SSD builtin the console though. And most of us didn't think they'd put any SSD into the next-gen console just due to lack of size of the SSD and price.
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Prices have tumbled hard of late, but that SSD is still looking like a pricy element to add. The question I suspect is what's going to happen to the pricing of traditional platter-based hdd's as there is going to need to be some sort of bulk storage system.

I mean on one hand I can well imagine SSD prices per TB to halve again over the next year, but I just don't see them getting low enough to allow for an all solid-state solution when realistically 2TB is the minimum these machines need to offer.
 
Imtjnotu said:
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My bad i got it mixed up
Rumor going around claims Sony is cooking a dual GPU monster without a CPU. Though another rumor claims a CPU might be hidden in the power brick in case the dual gpu concept fails with devs. Take it with a grain of salt though since another anonymous source claim theres no CPU on the powerbrick of the latest dev kits.

Hows that for a day of rummors Insane Metal Insane Metal , satisfied? ;)
 
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We'll just invent our own leaks and rumours:

* AMD's NAVI APU will be exclusive to the PS5. Won't be coming to other machines (PC, Xbox, Nintendo).
* All PS5s will have a removable 1TB HDD, coupled with a 16GB onboard SSD.
* 24GB RAM at launch. PS5 Pro will ship with 32GB.
* The Dual Shock 5 will be almost identical to the Dual Shock 4, except it'll say "Dualshock 5", be a dark blue colour, and will support quick charge.
* The PS5 will be a dark blue, that most people will claim is black.
* The initial marketing campaign will continue the "For the players" tagline.
* The console will actually be super quiet, except for the first batch which will ship with busted fans that will be noisy.
* Plugging an external HDD drive into the machine with PS4 games loaded will work seamlessly.

Actually, that last one would be rather nice.
 
bhunachicken said:
We'll just invent our own leaks and rumours:

* AMD's NAVI APU will be exclusive to the PS5. Won't be coming to other machines (PC, Xbox, Nintendo).
* All PS5s will have a removable 1TB HDD, coupled with a 16GB onboard SSD.
* 24GB RAM at launch. PS5 Pro will ship with 32GB.
* The Dual Shock 5 will be almost identical to the Dual Shock 4, except it'll say "Dualshock 5", be a dark blue colour, and will support quick charge.
* The PS5 will be a dark blue, that most people will claim is black.
* The initial marketing campaign will continue the "For the players" tagline.
* The console will actually be super quiet, except for the first batch which will ship with busted fans that will be noisy.
* Plugging an external HDD drive into the machine with PS4 games loaded will work seamlessly.

Actually, that last one would be rather nice.
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mckmas8808 said:
Nobody was thinking they'll put SSD builtin the console though. And most of us didn't think they'd put any SSD into the next-gen console just due to lack of size of the SSD and price.
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I will give you that, a lot of us were talking about some kind of controller to speed up regular hard drives, however in the tech field, it's the next natural progression is what I meant.

So they were easy guesses long before leaks.
 
Insane Metal said:
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Is this man crying or laughing? Not familiar with him but it seems like he's hurting on the inside.......When I first saw that avatar, he seemed elated, but blown up, :messenger_smiling:....What a surprise......

Clear said:
Prices have tumbled hard of late, but that SSD is still looking like a pricy element to add. The question I suspect is what's going to happen to the pricing of traditional platter-based hdd's as there is going to need to be some sort of bulk storage system.

I mean on one hand I can well imagine SSD prices per TB to halve again over the next year, but I just don't see them getting low enough to allow for an all solid-state solution when realistically 2TB is the minimum these machines need to offer.
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Yes, SSD prices are projected to fall even more with Storage size increasing, so it's the natural evolution here........I think with mass adoption (in consoles), the transition will be much easier.....PS2 was what pushed DVD and PS3 bluray, So I peg this as a similar scenario relative to mass adoption.....

Two things to note; 1.) Platter disks are dwindling in sales very quickly and expected to fall even more in the coming years, 2.) SSD sales are on the rise and the technology is also evolving quickly too, with lots of competition which is always good for sales/prices.....

One thing is for sure, I look at SSD's and it's clear that we will hit higher storage capacities much sooner than platter disks took.....I now have a few 4TB HDD's and an 8TB, so 8TB is the most I could get for a home solution on platter disks.....I think when NAND storage hits mass adoption, storage space will soar at a rapid pace for household users...(16/32/64 TB) in the next ten years or so....I know a 4TB SSD hones a ridiculous price right now, but that too shall fall based on projections........Thankfully, Console manufacturer's won't use a 4TB, but will use a 1TB instead, where companies like Sony won't pay anything close to the price you see at retail.....

It's also important to note that SSD's coming out later this year or in 2020 will use newer technologies, which lowers the cost of SSD drive production, Like; Quad Level Cell over the currrent Triple Level Cell and of course 96 Layer 3D NAND which stacks more cells over each other, which increases density....I imagine there will be even more improvements to the method in 2020 as well.....So when these consoles drop, they will be in a very good place for best prices and emerging technolgies in that space......


https://www.tomshardware.com/news/pc-hdd-sales-could-fall-50-percent,39251.html

https://www.theinquirer.net/inquire...-slash-1-600-jobs-as-hard-drive-sales-plummet

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ssd-storage-predictions,38169.html

https://www.statista.com/statistics/531530/worldwide-ssd-unit-shipments-by-quarter/
 
thelastword said:
Is this man crying or laughing? Not familiar with him but it seems like he's hurting on the inside.......When I first saw that avatar, he seemed elated, but blown up, :messenger_smiling:....What a surprise......
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Insane Metal said:
There's some new "insider" at Reeeee claiming the actual console will have 9TF. :messenger_mr_smith_who_are_you_going_to_call:
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So I went to look it up, dude isn't even an insider and he's not being vetted. Mod replied and doesn't even care, their standards are low now. I guess that's what happens when you have 40 different mods.
 
Interesting post i found on Reeee:
Pheonix said:
Its actually very very very true. Do you know what a 25%GPU advantage translates to? Say the PS5 is 10TF, that means the Ana will be 12.5TF. If the PS5 is 12TF that means Ana is 15TF. I can't stress enough how impossible all that is. And that kind thinking stems from a gross lack of understanding of how these things work. But let me try and elaborate.

At the heart of these consoles is the APU. When looking at the APU you will be remiss to focus on CUs and whatnot. Rather focus on the size of the chip. Lok at the chips in the OG PS4/XB1/PS4pro/XB1X.... its not a coincidence that they all had a die size of between 320mm2 to 360mm2. That because the size of the chip pretty much dictates the heat characteristics/TDP.

Now lets look at the size of the components in that chip. At 16nm, each of the 44CUs in the XB1X took up an area of 3mm2 each. That means of the 360mm2 of the XB1X die, 132mm2 was used for GPU CUs alone. another 70mm2 was used for the CPU ( that's 202mm2 now) leaving 158mm2 for memory controllers and what not. On a 7nm process, and since we are still using GCN, each CU will come in at around 1.5mm2. Cool thing about that is that even if they went for 64CU (and disable 4 CU) the GPU CU will have a total footprint of only 89mm2. The CPU will still take up around 70mm2 because its a zenCPU and its bigger than the Jaguar CPU. Between the CPU + GPU we are looking at a total die size of just 159mm2. Lets tack on another 150mm2 (which is excessive) for memory controllers, secret sauce, errors in my estimates and other stuff and we still end up with an APU that is 309mm2. That is smaller than any of the APUs in all the previous consoles (PS and XBox included).

What this means is that even while building an APU smaller than what they had to build the last time they can fit in the absolute best GPU that the GCN architecture will allow them to fit. What this also means is that the only way they differ from each other (outside of special sauce) will come down to what clocks they run their APU at. Which in turn will come down to what kinda cooling solution they adopt.

And remember, the size of the APU is what determines its rice. Why this is important, is that if say MS is willing to spend twice as much on their APU as Sony does, it won't make a difference because there is nothing to spend that money on. An 8 core CPU + 64CU GPU will still fall within the confines of a 310mm2 APU. And based on the last adored TV video, we can at least see why the R7 GPU has a die size as big as it is even though its on 7nm and why navi shouldn't have the same issue. That may very well be the only improvement Navi has over vega.
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xool said:
Ugh .. don't give 'em oxygen until there's a good reason to take it seriously - just more anon_random noise at this point - anyway they're saying equivalent to Nvidia 1080 performance - so 9 NvidiaFlops I guess
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Which proves he is just talking out of his ass to get some forum clout, amd arch teraflops is not equal to the performance you get from nvidias.
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As for VFX_Veteran's post regarding the TFLOPS: considering he backed out, I'll look at it as speculation and not much more than that. In case this happens again, the staff will action it.
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1080 performance with a 9TF GPU would point to really good efficiency gains by AMD with Navi. So I think that's believable. Another way to look at it, ~Vega64 performance for fewer flops.

Seems reasonable.
 
McHuj said:
1080 performance with a 9TF GPU would point to really good efficiency gains by AMD with Navi. So I think that's believable. Another way to look at it, ~Vega64 performance for fewer flops.

Seems reasonable.
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It would mean Navi matches Pascal while still retaining GCN. Impressive really
Alas very unlikely and the post where it all originated from is just speculation.
 
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I would actually rather the GPU be small so that the SoC can have other features like FPGA or fix function hardware
 
onQ123 said:
I would actually rather the GPU be small so that the SoC can have other features like FPGA or fix function hardware
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That would suck
We would be back to the PS3 days of inferior ports, 3rd party devs ignoring specialized hw and only exclusives taking advantage of it.
 
CurryPanda said:
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Hold on so Sony going to revert back to Vega?

Not only that but also its Vega 56 ( an inferior version compared to 64?)

A 2020 console perfomance matching a 2017 PC?

Wtf this is dissapointing af if its true

Is this guys even reliable and trustworthy? Who is he?
 
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SonGoku said:
Its just an opportunistic prediction disguised as insider info to cash in on the latest AdoredTV video info.
Its basically a collage of different rumors.
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Ah, makes sense. I'm sick of all the insiders and rumours. Just release all the specs so we can just discuss about them openly, and properly.
 
CurryPanda said:
Ah, makes sense. I'm sick of all the insiders and rumours. Just release all the specs so we can just discuss about them openly, and properly.
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In all fairness after closer inspection the user in the screenshot you posted its not really passing it as rumor, its just his theory that he is posting.
Monsterkillah said:
Hold on so Sony going to revert back to Vega?

Not only that but also its Vega 56 ( an u ferior versio tk 64?)

2020 console perfomance matching a 2017 PC?

Wtf this is dissapointing af if its true

Is this guys even reliable and trustworthy? Who is he?
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He is not an insider, just posted his prediction
The Vega=Navi is from the latest adoredtv video that made some claim about Navi being worse than vega. Take it with a grain of salt

btw you should expect 12-13TF max, I don think we'll see more.
 
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