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You should make it. You’re informative.Off-topic: I think we should make a next gen PS5/SNEK thread to encompass all next gen talk and rumors together.
Who is up for it?
You should make it. You’re informative.Off-topic: I think we should make a next gen PS5/SNEK thread to encompass all next gen talk and rumors together.
Who is up for it?
They misread the market & so did Nintendo with the Wii U , it was the causal craze & they tried to ride that wave but they was actually putting themselves in the way of the danger & it made PS4 the hero that the hardcores needed .
Sony actually could have got away with the Xbox One Kinect type of system but it was bad for Microsoft because they used the hardcore crowd to get to where they was at then they tried to make them second class citizens on Xbox One while trying to reach the ipad & Wii market.
They aren’t going to make the same mistake again. They have lost a lot of their fan base as it is and don’t want to lose more. If they do, then Phil Spencer needs to be thrown into a wood chipper.true but their SoC is a total mess as well, they miscalculated the RAM they just failed on every front. I hope they don't make the same mistake again. Their emphasis on cloud is a bit worrisome.
They aren’t going to make the same mistake again. They have lost a lot of their fan base as it is and don’t want to lose more. If they do, then Phil Spencer needs to be thrown into a wood chipper.
They aren’t going to make the same mistake again. They have lost a lot of their fan base as it is and don’t want to lose more. If they do, then Phil Spencer needs to be thrown into a wood chipper.
They could go for the power advantage & end up a bigger mistake than the casual /TV push
Doubtful. I don't see how going for a power advantage would be a mistake UNLESS the price gap is enormous.
Console performance matters A LOT. IMO it is one of the main factors in overall user base, basically ever since people started examining and comparing every single game ( graphics, resolution, frame rate etc ).
During the 360 PS3 gen, it was a constant stream of a new game comes out and shortly after it is discovered that the 360 version is the best version and the PS3 version is inferior because of X and Y. There is no doubt in my mind that the constant nature of this massively helped the 360.
And then this gen, the opposite happened with the PS4 having the superior version of multiplats.
And while exclusives are important, it's multiplats that represent 95%+ of all games. And having the best version of 95% of all the games is a HUUUUUGE advantage.
And it was a double whammy for the Xbone by being LESS powerful and MORE expensive. And all because some new non-gaming executive got it in his head that Kinect was the future and was going to produce Wii like sales. It's a miracle they've sold as many Xbones as they have IMO.
More like features and first party games.The image on next gen consoles are going to be so clean that the number of people who care about power will be a lot lower than the people who will be buying the console for features & games.
The image on next gen consoles are going to be so clean that the number of people who care about power will be a lot lower than the people who will be buying the console for features & games.
That's optimistic. I disagree.
People have been caring about the smallest differences in resolution, frame rate and any other tiny detail, like how much grass is rendered in this particular screenshot comparison etc. And maybe, based on leaks of Sony's new SSD tech, maybe load times will be significant enough of a difference next gen.
Doubtful these rabid comparisons will end next gen.
And when games are consistently "best on _____" that begins to affect mind share.
Exclusives will continue to be important.
But as I already said, multiplats make up 95%+ of all games. The average casual will just want to know which box plays games the best. And whatever the answer to that question is is likely to sell a lot of consoles.
I’m glad he left MS. He’s an idiot.
Ewwww the past is gross. Don Mattrck aka Ugly Tom cruise royally fucked things up.
Off-topic: I think we should make a next gen PS5/SNEK thread to encompass all next gen talk and rumors together.
Who is up for it?
I nominated him too. Lol that’s two votes for Son Goku so far. The pressure is on.Yes - one thread should do.
Nominating you.. (can a mod tag it "official")
They wont get a substantial power advantage 40+% (PS4/XBONE- PRO/X) unless the price gap is humongousDoubtful. I don't see how going for a power advantage would be a mistake UNLESS the price gap is enormous.
Less typing please. Go make the official topic about next gen consoles and specs.They wont get a substantial power advantage 40+% (PS4/XBONE- PRO/X) unless the price gap is humongous
Theyll be lucky to get 20% for $100 extra. Realistically they'll get 10-15% advantage
lol fine im lazy though, there will be some copy pastas madeLess typing please. Go make the official topic about next gen consoles and specs.
That’s fine. That’s how majority of threads are made anyway.lol fine im lazy though, there will be some copy pastas made
Don't forget the ultra high speed loadings goodness.lol fine im lazy though, there will be some copy pastas made
Unfortunately, it is just not possible.Next gen 14.2 Tflops OT@ or they dead on arrival
That OT name already taken?Unfortunately, it is just not possible.
And deadly bluray lasers!Don't forget the ultra high speed loadings goodness.
If that was the case why isn't Xbox One X or PS4 Pro selling as well as PS4?
That is far from the truth.That's optimistic. I disagree.
People have been caring about the smallest differences in resolution, frame rate and any other tiny detail, like how much grass is rendered in this particular screenshot comparison etc. And maybe, based on leaks of Sony's new SSD tech, maybe load times will be significant enough of a difference next gen.
Doubtful these rabid comparisons will end next gen.
And when games are consistently "best on _____" that begins to affect mind share.
Exclusives will continue to be important.
But as I already said, multiplats make up 95%+ of all games. The average casual will just want to know which box plays games the best. And whatever the answer to that question is is likely to sell a lot of consoles.
We can back to reality now?If there were no base consoles and Xbox One X was released first and it's competition was the PS4 Pro that released later, was weaker AND more expensive, then that's exactly what would happen.
That is far from the truth.
The buzz about being underpowered only happened with XB1 because it was $100 expensive than competition... if XB1 was weaker and $50-100 less the nobody should talk about that.
The clear picture is even after X/Pro releases PS4 continues being the best selling console followed by XB1... X or Pro doesn’t sell a finger of what these two weaker consoles sells.
When prices right power means nothing.
A $399 PS5 will sell like water vs a $499 Nextxbox even if the PS5 is way weaker.
The only time power matter for sales is when you cheaper or matched in price.
Of course even if it was the same price but weaker it should fail over the powergate.The Xbone being weaker AND more expensive definitely made it worse. But even if it were the same price and weaker the same thing would have happened.
People would have seen week after week the comparisons always putting the PS4 version as better looking/performing. This adds the the PS4's mindshare and it get a boost in sales because of it.
If you are going to talk about the One X and the Pro the picture becomes more complex. I doubt the "pro" versions of any console will sell as well as the base for a variety of reasons.
1. People without 4K TV's are less likely to buy one. And PLENTY of people still don't have a 4K TV. Most people really.
2. People who already bought a base console may be less likely as well because they don't think the difference is worth it and what they've got already is "good enough."
3 And yeah, because they're more expensive and the base consoles are now discounted in price, reaching a new bracket of buyers.
If price is the SAME then there's not as much reason to buy the weaker box.
Oh. Please quote this come next gen. 14.2. Not possible in a consumer gaming console. Xbox or PS.That OT name already taken?
A nice OT with all rumors/leaks/news we have so far in one place would be great.lol fine im lazy though, there will be some copy pastas made
Loading: A Thing of the Past, Gotta Go Fast!Next gen 14.2 Tflops OT@ or they dead on arrival
Of course even if it was the same price but weaker it should fail over the powergate.
If you are weaker the minimum consumers expect is you to be cheaper.
I made a thread before PS4/XB1 saying “XB1 should be at least $100 cheaper, perhaps even $150 depending on the country, to compete with PS4”.
That is true before launch, true at launch and true today.
XB1 price at launch was MS thinking consumers are idiots... MS should price XB1 $299 at launch to delivery that weaker hardware.
And that is true to any market.
What is the main selling point of AMD over NVidia? I’m weaker but my cards has better value because they are cheaper.
Value, what you get from what you pay, matter... not power alone.
And even that is high... it’s console sized, but with a big effort in cooling 11 TF is possible at a price.As far as TF are concerned, Digital Foundry told people to temper their expectations and expect 10-11TF.
I'd still love to see ~13TF in the machine. Maybe that's the Secret Sauce
What you talking about? It's just a hype/fun name for the SonGoku thread!?Oh. Please quote this come next gen. 14.2. Not possible in a consumer gaming console. Xbox or PS.
Why so serious? It's really not. If you, and others, want to continue a path of delusion of tech beyond what is physically possible in modern and near future tech, please, indulge your fantasies. Perhaps, Ant-Man can save you.What you talking about? It's just a hype/fun name for the SonGoku thread!?
I could have said 32GB ram, 2TB SSD... Why so serious?
A nice OT with all rumors/leaks/news we have so far in one place would be great.
9TF is perfectly acceptable seeing as how this gen we had 1-6 TFYou got that backwards. 14TF would be amazing. 9TF and below is off the table.
Why so serious? It's really not. If you, and others, want to continue a path of delusion of tech beyond what is physically possible in modern and near future tech, please, indulge your fantasies. Perhaps, Ant-Man can save you.
9TF is perfectly acceptable seeing as how this gen we had 1-6 TF
Nofunallowed.jpgA little slow on the uptake there? They were having some fun
9TF is perfectly acceptable seeing as how this gen we had 1-6 TF
Nah, they just like to watch things on fire and flames.Why people are saying 8TF? Wtf. Are you guys trolling so hard?
14tf seems like the max stretch.. And that would require perfect chips, lots of power draw and, most likely, liquid cooling (for console form). I say 13tf max, 11-12tf most likely.Nah, Cerny said 8TF was required for current gen to display 4K. 9TF is just impossible with what we already know about the system even with just mentioning the words Ray Tracing.
VR also requires a major hardware upgrade to introduce PSVR 2.0.
At this point 14TF is far more likely than 9TF.
Digital Foundry said that was a possible number for the PS5.Why people are saying 8TF? Wtf. Are you guys trolling so hard?
Its even hard to believe that take into consideration the wired article plus TF of Xbox X.Digital Foundry said that was a possible number for the PS5.
14tf seems like the max stretch.. And that would require perfect chips, lots of power draw and, most likely, liquid cooling (for console form). I say 13tf max, 11-12tf most likely.