REDRZA MWS
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Thank you. Guess those claiming "1080p version" didn't hear the news or see the video.
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RUMOR: Two next-gen Xbox models to be announced at E3 2019
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Thank you. Guess those claiming "1080p version" didn't hear the news or see the video.
Microsoft talked about their Remote Rendering a little yesterday when they was showing the mixed reality stuff
bitbydeath
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What if those specs are required to play BC games natively?
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
uh...worked fine for the One X
Stuart360
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I still think DynamiteCop is right and the 4tf machine is a 1080p version of the 4k main console.
I'm starting to think we wont even get a streaming box from Microsoft, maybe not at launch anyway. You dont really need a dedicated streaming box anyway, the streming app could just be downloaded onto both consoles for the pe
TLZ
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Pe? Did you fall asleep or something?
DForce
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XB1X wasn't aimed for the casuals.. If they sell as much as the XB1X, then that's not going to be a good.
HeresJohnny
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The X has created s huge problem for Microsoft. Now they have to release a more powerful system than the X at a more mass market price when the X itself isn't even at a mass market price yet. On top of that, the X hasn't been able to sustain high unit sales for them so what did they really gain from it other than to say they finally released a more powerful system right at the end of the generation? The X should have been the base unit for the coming generation and possibly a second more powerful SKU launched alongside it. I'm still betting they will launch at $500 which will hamstring the new system again. Micro soft needs to play more chess and less checkers and start making moves they actually gain something from.
Von Hugh
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Comment like this is quite juvenile, and adds nothing to the topic and the conversation. Congratulations.
The reason is kind of simple. Xbox one sales are very low. Sony want to stretch the generation where they are selling a lot more PS4s. MS want the next one to start. MS announcing hardware earlier stops people buying current gen and the current gen choice is to get a PS4. Sony have the snowball momentum at the moment and MS have less to lose generating hype for next gen.
MilkyJoe
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building a 1080p machine for 2020/21 is stupid. You probably won't be able to buy a 1080p tv next year
McHuj
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So? People don't upgrade TVs like phones, the amount of 1080p that are currently being used and will be for the next decade probably dwarfs 4k TV.
1080p with a good scaler will be good enough for most people.
HeresJohnny
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Agreed. No better way to limit a new product than to tell buyers they need another new product to get the best out of it. I'd imagine most people are pretty fucking exasperated by this display arms race. Most probably feel like they just bought a new television 5 years ago and aren't ready to upgrade, especially not just to hook a toy up to it that only a fraction of the family uses.
And I'd wager most people don't even know the difference between 1080 and 4K and don't really give a shit anyway. I think you're completely right — most people are plenty happy with their displays.
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MilkyJoe
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1080p screen to last a decade? I doubt it
HeresJohnny
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I have a 2007 Samsung 1080p plasma in the living room that still looks great, despite some burn in. I don't plan on replacing it until it dies.
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MilkyJoe
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I'm on my second 1080 lcd in 10 years
I doubt it looks anywhere as good as an hdr 4k set.
HeresJohnny
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Yeah, but it's not a night and day thing where you can't go back. I have a 5k retina on my Mac upstairs and it looks awesome, but it doesn't keep me from enjoying watching movies downstairs in 1080. To me it's like going to the eye doctor when they have the prescription really close between two lenses and you have to pick which looks better, A or B.... it's like that for me. One looks better certainly but I have to look at it for a few seconds to really tell.I'm on my second 1080 lcd in 10 years
I doubt it looks anywhere as good as an hdr 4k set.
Dee Dah Dave
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That will be fun for the marketing department. "You know how we have been saying 4K 4K 4K for the last 3 years?!!....well forget that, next gen is all about 1080p baby!".
Insane Metal
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Apparently MS is focusing on PC @ E3.
Negotiator
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The 7th gen era would like to have a word with you...
Just like Wii's focus on SDTVs was "stupid" back in 2006, eh?
People don't learn from history...
HDR is the differentiator here, not the resolution disparity. Few people actually realize that.I'm on my second 1080 lcd in 10 years
I doubt it looks anywhere as good as an hdr 4k set.
As long as HDR works as intended, of course...
MilkyJoe
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This is so cringe I feel like it's me that said it and I need to hide under a duvet, in a closet, with the lights off... Ye gods...
bitbydeath
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I have a 50" Panasonic Plasma with no burn-in which was manufactured in March 2008.
Plasma might be the reason why they last so long.
Mass Nerder
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Jesus flippin' CHRIST you people.
I mean.........SonyGAF confirmed?
I mean.........SonyGAF confirmed?
KURDISTAN YPG
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So hey tech guys, can we expect sony to do better on power? or is this 2 xbox consoles 300-400 based on chip/gpu cost?
DonJimbo
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ResilientBanana
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Except that even without an Xbox I can still buy Xbox games. You could sell all the consoles in the world, but if my games sell 2:1, I've already won.
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Developers, publishers, and gamers can (most don't care) already use the Microsoft Store, if that is what you are getting at. Just like before the Microsoft Store they had Games for Windows Live. Microsoft has always had about 1+ billion customers to satisfy (but never do) in the PC market, nothing will have changed in that regard. I have no idea why the developers/publishers would even publish to Xbox now, maybe I am not seeing the forest for the trees.
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MilkyJoe
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Your childishness doth not need clarification.
hargwood
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DonJimbo
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Ok but that they lose is backed by numbers and
I'm neither a ps or xbox fan
Let's see what next gen brings and what Sony and MS deliver then we can make a verdict
That's the thing, we are already there with Microsoft. Meaning decisions have been made (although not official nor do we know the full scope) they were moving a long time ago and nobody really wanted to notice. IF some of this is true on the hardware front, and IF some of the other stuff on Xbox as a Platform is correct, the hardware is basically meaningless, in a general sense. Might as well compare Dell Alienware hardware options with it. We'll see as we approach E3, I expect quite a few announcements at E3 including more info on their cloud streaming, and don't rule out a Xbox virtual desktop as well, and OEM Xbox branded PCs.
All of this is basically Steam machine plus PS Now at this point but we still have the big bad Microsoft trying to control the PC and its users. I think there is going to be lots of announcements, than 1000s of articles about stuff people really aren't asking for, not really. I think what they are doing, in general is the opposite of what most console gamers desire, and most PC gamers really don't care or desire Microsoft as a either a software distributor, nor are they going to embrace virtual desktops (non-business VD), generally speaking. (I apologize if a little off topic)
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DonJimbo
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That's the problem MS needs their own character they must change their view they have regarding to games
They have a more PC centric view they have to differ between PC and console users and make it much more attractive to customers to buy their consoles
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Generally, Microsoft doesn't care about selling consoles, they do, if the customer would otherwise leave their eco-system, but no they really don't care. Xbox as a Platform is here, some might embrace it, my guess is most won't. Most PC gamers run from Microsoft, Nadella has a certain vision and its all slowly moving in that direction till now, meaning the pace will pick up now. In the next couple of years, they'll be rolling out all kinds of services for Windows/Xbox users, you either dig this future or you don't.
All this can sounds anti-Xbox, I would say Microsoft is anti-Xbox now - meaning the original vision. I loved Xbox for about 8-9 years, although the money probably wasn't good, I thought they built something special with J Allard and crew. (Those days are long gone)
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ResilientBanana
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If you publish UWP you can push to mutiple platforms such as PC, Xbox, Gamepass and xCloud. xCloud can be used with Gamepass also. xCloud also allows the ability to stream to Andoid, iOS, and possibly the Switch according to the Rumors. In theory xCloud could potentially get pushed to new TV's, Xbox One, Xbox Stream Stick(Rumored), Fire TV, so on and so forth. So really, if you buy Xbox games, you could essentially play anywhere. Just like netflix and their exclusive shows, the same could come to Xbox with their exclusive games. All you would have to do is connect your Xbox One controller that's Bluetooth to any one of the previously mentioned devices.
That being said, that would open doors for publishers and get them in places where they weren't before which makes them money.
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I think you changed the nature of my comment into an even broader discussion, but I will try to address, but we're probably getting into no land's land as far as the topic of the thread.
The particular comment you quoted was addressing why would a big pub/dev target the Xbox Two because you're basically targeting the Store now going forward - more or less. I admit, they can target Store/UWP today and use UWP, but this has been generally rejected by devs/pubs/gamers which was the point - nobody cares for it. The rest is just you hashing Microsoft's strategy i.e. Da Cloud, which is really just a copying of the other game streaming services that have come before and is more or less PS Now which has been around for nearly 5 years now. That to me is kind of separate from my point, which is they have basically destroyed the Xbox as a hardware and to me are basically left the market, generally speaking.
The large developers or publishers might put a few titles in some type of streaming service, but they'll just make their own service if game streaming took off (or could be profitable, which I doubt), which I doubt it will, but if it did, they'll just pull their titles and put on their own service i.e. the new game launcher or with existing launchers. Either way, not sure why pubs/devs would target Xbox going forward, as Microsoft is more or less abandoning that traditional closed device market. As far as the Microsoft Store, dead man walking. imo, just like Games for Windows Live.
Xbox as a Platform to me is stupid (and is a separate topic), but time will tell, as there is really no reason for the big guys to use the Platform as they can easily develop their own and actually already have existing customers on their own game launchers. Again, I have no idea what the large pubs/devs would target either the MS Store, the Xbox Two or their Xbox as a Platform, generally speaking. We'll see how it plays out, I expect this to turn out poorly for Microsoft but some of this is way beyond the topic. Again, this discussion is based on some of the recent rumors being true, which we don't know if they are.
I believe they have basically abandoned the Xbox in the traditional sense, and I actually think we agree on that, in part. Where I believe we disagree is the Microsoft - all the devs/publs already have a distribution model for reaching people on Windows outside of the Xbox console, why come back to the MS Store now?
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Stuart360
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I dont agree. I'm pretty sure 1080p's outnumer 4ktv's still (in households), and it cuts out all the more causal/ parent angle of 'i'm not buying that when i dont even have a 4ktv', 'we are not paying $500 for the new Xbox for little Tommy when he doesn't even have one of those 4ktv's', etc.
CrustyBritches
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I think the rumor is plausible because it makes sense to sell to both the 4k and 1080p user, even in the same household. What parent or kid wouldn't want a $250-300 option to play "next-gen" Fortnite, Minecraft, and Roblox on instead of being forced into a $500 purchase that will be used on the family's older 1080p TV anyway? Being a PC gamer and my boys being heavily invested in the Xbox ecosystem, I'd personally prefer two $250-300 1080p systems over a single $500 unit. They just want to play online with their friends, they don't care about pixel peeping and 4k resolution.
RPGCrazied
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Not buying a console with no disc drive.
NickFire
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This is the one rumor I really don't like about next generation and feel is a mistake. I completely get what you are saying, but have two issues nonetheless:
1) Having a base and enhanced version out of the gate is going to leave some (less informed) people feeling sour withing a couple years, and cause a lot more confusion than different prices based on memory of peripherals.
2) Games are often made for the lowest common denominator in mind. Even if I stick with 1080P, I want every game pushing the higher end machine which I will be buying.
Von Hugh
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Totally buying a console with no disc drive. I haven't had a disc drive on my PC for almost ten years now. Hell, my PC case NZXT H4 doesn't even have a 3,5" bay for it!
Maybe the question should be is, what is a console? When does a console stop being a console? (not sure I have the answer, but I think we'll see a drastic reduced sales number if some of this is true, not that that sales are good now)
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CrustyBritches
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This rumor says they have the same Ryzen CPU and 12GB GDDR6. That should alleviate your concern since it's just a matter of scaling the res and maybe using SSAO instead of HBAO+, and dropping shadows to medium. The important part is that it wouldn't be CPU-bound. Consoles are basically HTPCs now, it's not a big deal to scale the games as long the CPU is the same. Xbox 1st-party games already run on PCs of all sorts of different configs.
The weakest part about the rumor has to be the 1TB NVMe SSD in the entry model. That's still an expensive part, but perhaps by mid-2020 it will cheap enough with economy of scale to put in both units?
Optical disc holding back technology right now , even this generation only used Blu-rays to transfer the games to the harddrive.
AgentP
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Then how it it holding it back then? It delivers the bits to the console and saves us on on data limits from large downloads. It is also an item competing for shelf space that is subject to standard economics which is why physical discs are often far cheaper than digital offerings. They can also be traded and sold which is a huge plus. The only down side is the disc swapping.
Maybe he meant to say DRM is holding gamers back? I mean, its a DRM issue for me, and I think others. I'm not sure I actually care about the disc, but I should be able to transfer the game from one machine to another without a 3rd party giving permission. (the blockchain might actually offer a solution to this)
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JustP_Gaming
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The X gave MS the upper hand when it comes to the silly console war argument of which game runs better. Thats all they were aiming for. Once you realize MS no longer cares for hardware sales but mainly cares about subscriptions, then and only then will you understand the bigger picture. This is chess not checkers. (In my humble opinion of course, what do I know)
Disc went from being a blessing to being mostly a unessery step on consoles
Like If next gen games are mostly in the 100GB range & use Blu-ray XL , you get the cheap storage format but it's only used to bring the game home from the store then it's too slow to be useful once you stick it in the console & you would have to save it to the internal storage anyway & take up 100GB of your storage & the big disc drive is just taking up real estate on the console besides for backwards compatibility & watching movies (Not downplaying BC & movies)
But if they was to make a move from Blu-ray & use cards like Switch (ROM cards using the CFexpress or SD Express card casings ) games on 128GB cards would be plug & play because you wouldn't need to install the game because the cards will be fast enough to play the games from . The console would be smaller or have better hardware inside because of the room saved by not having a big Blu-ray drive. Also a console made with cards can have less RAM because you wouldn't have to load as much into RAM as you would with a disc or slower HDD because the card or NVMe can work like a big pool of slower RAM .