TheRagnCajun
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Pocks said:
You can't do that in a group setting, unless you're playing turn based games like Risk.
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Rumor: Wii 2 at E3; 6" Touch Controller [Up: Cafe Header On Nintendo Site, More]
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You can't do that in a group setting, unless you're playing turn based games like Risk.
The Technomancer
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Penny Arcade has a theory:
Holy Order Sol
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DennisK4 said:
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They're basically saying nothing except "NO UR WRONG BUT WE CAN'T TELL".
poppabk
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If onlive can send game data at 720p across the internet to my house where it then gets sent through my wireless router to my laptop and still have games be playable then Nintendo streaming to a device in the same room is definitely possible. Uncompressed 1080p over wreless HDMI is possible with sub 1ms latency http://hothardware.com/Reviews/WHDI-Kits-Explored-Asus-Wicast-briteView-HDelight/ which makes it completely viable technically, even for HD, at sub HD resolution it would be even easier/cheaper.DECK'ARD said:
thehillissilent
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ReyVGM said:
I think the Wii2 will stream games to the 3DS so that they would appear in 3D and you could use the 3DS just as a controller as well. I hope the graphics capabilties is much better than current gen.
Woffls
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"All we can say so far is: dont believe everything you read online. Other than from us, of course. May hear solid details next week"
Referring to the Investors Conference, presumably.
(details are) significant enough that we cant reveal what they are.
Could mean anything. Ignoring this one for now.
(console will be) a combination of everything you would expect from Nintendo and yet surprising at the same time.
We expect motion control, touch screen and good backwards compatibility. Nintendo are always surprising so, again, this is nothing new.
Nintendo has sold more handheld consoles than anyone. Why have a controller with a screen in? Why not use DS?
Sounds like they're implying that they've seen it, or are just putting forward the point that DS would make a good controller. But for what? It doesn't have enough inputs for traditional core games, so maybe just for Virtual Console streaming? That would be awesome, and controlling the OS from my DS from anywhere in my house? Switch N6 off remotely after playing Super Metroid remotely? Download it to internal/SD memory on 3DS and play on the go? Interesting indeed.
Nintendo is a Japanese company. Why would a secret project have a French name?
I'm not sure this is relevant. Revolution, Dolphin, Reality... using a French word instead of an English one isn't that big a leap. Especially one as ubiquitous as the word for coffee.
Referring to the Investors Conference, presumably.
(details are) significant enough that we cant reveal what they are.
Could mean anything. Ignoring this one for now.
(console will be) a combination of everything you would expect from Nintendo and yet surprising at the same time.
We expect motion control, touch screen and good backwards compatibility. Nintendo are always surprising so, again, this is nothing new.
Nintendo has sold more handheld consoles than anyone. Why have a controller with a screen in? Why not use DS?
Sounds like they're implying that they've seen it, or are just putting forward the point that DS would make a good controller. But for what? It doesn't have enough inputs for traditional core games, so maybe just for Virtual Console streaming? That would be awesome, and controlling the OS from my DS from anywhere in my house? Switch N6 off remotely after playing Super Metroid remotely? Download it to internal/SD memory on 3DS and play on the go? Interesting indeed.
Nintendo is a Japanese company. Why would a secret project have a French name?
I'm not sure this is relevant. Revolution, Dolphin, Reality... using a French word instead of an English one isn't that big a leap. Especially one as ubiquitous as the word for coffee.
Oppo
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DECK'ARD said:
To follow this line of thought, I would hypothesize that while the Wii Remote added a kind of touch-at-a-distance functionality, it did not add multi-touch capabilities (ie more than one "finger"). I wonder if they will go in this direction now, to try to offer an analog for multi-touch functionality. It makes sense considering the amount of attention and money going in that direction, for game development.
For example think of things like how the pinch-zoom or two- and three-finger gestures work on iPad games. They need have a pointer in each hand I think, maybe two triggers?
(No comment on the weird controller screen, it's too vague to guess .)
GregLombardi
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And a project name that aligns the system with a certain feel in western markets, particularly Starbucks, etc. etc.
Could be BS, but it could be a window into the system.
Refreshment.01
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That´s what i´ve been talking to Deckard, he still not to much into the idea. Of course he does make some good points.poppabk said:
In an earlier post, i said if we assume the 6'' touch screen rumor as true, the only really innovative use for it would be to stream frame by frame the game both to the TV and touch screen. The screen would work as a direct control method, like you see in a game like Zelda
hantom Hour Glass, for the games that make sense to use such control method.Yet they released the Wiiremote. Games that use the motion feel more lagy to the user and was one the main complaints early on with some Wii games.DECK'ARD said:
People are just comenting on possible aplications for what the rumor suggests. The level headed posters don't take this rumor as a fact or at what Nintendo will surely do.
onQ123 said:
poppabk said:
Nintendo won't tolerate *any* lag. You couldn't have a company more fussy about controls.
And not all the wireless HDMI stuff again, that one is vulnerable to Wi-Fi interference. And if you can go looking you can find another one that won't go through walls. Video display is critical, Nintendo are not going to dive in with non-standard immature technology that is problematic and not ideal for playing games. You know, the business they are in and very successful at.
You will still have to rescale, compress and decompress the video. This will not only add lag as well, but you will also have to have hardware in the controller/tablet to do it. So keep adding to the expense of that controller/extra, that has always been Nintendo's priority in the past to keep costs down and not make incredibly fragile.
And this is before you even consider *why* Nintendo would want to do this anyway, because there is no compelling reason to make the focus of your new HD console something like this. Most of this thread is pure fantasy with no consideration of the realworld or what Nintendo would have to gain.
Skiesofwonder
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Shiggy said:The Wii Relax game concepts look exactly like what Ubisoft is now doing with Innergy.
This is also interesting...looks like Samus:
Thanks Shiggy, you always have informative posts. Mind me asking where you found the Wii Relax concepts from?
Vinci said:
Not really (at least for me). Screens on controllers are cool and all but honestly I think biometric technology will add to gaming more then anything that has been rumored for Wii 2 so far.
Holy Order Sol
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onQ123 said:
Unless I'm missing something, it looks like they've just been piecing things together the way it's been done in this thread and the Detective GAF thread.
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onQ123 said:
Clock speed isn't the only thing that matters. In fact, looking at it out of context can be misleading.
Also, I thought there were several units within the R700 series? Although, some have argued in the past that R700 was only used to refer to a specific chip.
Cygnus X-1
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Well, yeah: if the 6'' screen on the controller will be a 3D screen, this would be a big surprise. But I don't think it will be the case though. And for a simple reason: since the screen is a touch screen and since Iwata said at last E3 that a touch screen doesn't get along very well with a 3D screen, then: or either it's a touch screen or it's a 3D screen. It can't have both properties.
GregLombardi
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DECK'ARD said:
Agreed, but I think it is important to note that Nintendo's next console will have to significantly evolve Wii, and also deal with a market crowded completely by ridiculous quantities of electronic devices (phones, xbox720s, apple consoles, ps4s, PCs, Ipads, etc.).
Iwata himself has stated that they're going after Apple as their main competitor. That statement is worth a thousand words, and the picture it paints changes every day and with every new piece of technology we see.
megashock5
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I actually hope some of these rumors are false just because of cost.
No more than $299 - kay, Nintendo?
No more than $299 - kay, Nintendo?
From The Dust
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Looks like US trademark siteSkiesofwonder said:
Fourth Storm
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DECK'ARD said:
Wait, you're talking about the same company that introduced waggle in the first place? The lag in many Wii games is noticeable and many early titles especially had imprecise controls.
As to your reply to my previous post, I've made my case. Let's just agree to disagree and we'll see what it turns out to be.
Cygnus X-1 said:
Sharp, the same company that develops the 3DS screen, has developed a 3D touchscreen (April 2010).
Refreshment.01
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Yet they released the Wiiremote. Games that use the motion feel more lagy to the user and was one the main complaints early on with some Wii games.DECK'ARD said:
People are just comenting on possible aplications for what the rumor suggests. The level headed posters don't take this rumor as a fact or at what Nintendo will surely do.
Pocks said:
I like the enthusiasm, but no. You're going to need a coffee table? How would inventory management be seemless if you had to get up to use the touchscreen anytime you wanted to switch weapons? Biometrics aren't going to work if it doesn't have contact with your body. And autoscopic 3D from a distance wouldn't work. 3DS works because it's small and has a very small focus point (which conveniently works since it's a portable that has to be held.)
Woffls said:
I didn't care enough to check, but I would assume they're using the Brain Stew reasoning and saying only one card was technically R700. And just using the high clock rate of the chip to half-wit their way to a graphical chart.
MatthewB92
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If he was still around this whole thing would be 100 times better but he is over at Apple doing something.Van Owen said:
Plinko
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Just a question: Is anybody in here even remotely interested in what the vitality sensor can do? I have absolutely no interest in it and can't see how it would benefit gaming in the least.
Refreshment.01
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It has good applications and its worth of inclussion as a feature. But i don't think its the hook that Nintendo is gambling on to atract users or developers.Plinko said:
Yep, thats the least interesting thing to disscuss about at this stage.miksar said:
Refreshment.01 said:That´s what i´ve been talking to Deckard, he still not to much into the idea. Of course he does make some good points.
In an earlier post, i said if we assume the 6'' touch screen rumor as true, the only really innovative use for it would be to stream frame by frame the game both to the TV and touch screen. The screen would work as a direct control method, like you see in a game like Zelda
Can't be done to a level acceptable by Nintendo.
And the other thing is, the more screens you add the more impossible it becomes. So this one extra screen is just that. One screen. Not such a good selling point now is it for a multiplayer focused console.
That was nothing to do with wireless, but to do with how they were interpreting motion. You have to do the motion to register it, or predict the motion as early as possible. The lag came from that, not the data being sent and its delay which is minuscule compared to the data and lag involved with sending video wirelessly.
And disseminating what is possible from what isn't possible is the first thing you do with rumours. And then move on to what downsides it may have as well as the upsides, because the downsides will be as much a focus for Nintendo as the upsides which people on forums only tend to consider.
Plinko said:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-valve-biometrics-blog-entry
Valve experimented with biometrics directly by introducing them into a special build of Left 4 Dead 2, with the developers surprised by just how much the game was changed just by sharing the data with other players - it added to the social experience.
"This was not something we were expecting and it's the sort of reason you like to invest in these kinds of research efforts is it's not only the things you expect it's the things that catch you by surprise," Newell says.
Valve took the various biometric data feeds and filtered them into what it called (no sniggering), the "arousal state". With the data beamed across to the other players, different behaviours began to emerge.
"When you were playing competitively we found that people were incredibly aggressive towards highly aroused players on the opposing team and were very defensive about highly aroused players on their own team," Newell explains.
In short, Valve had developed a system where sharing the players' feelings fundamentally altered how the game played out. The developers started to theorise on why this actually happened and came to some intriguing conclusions. While online gaming is a social experience of sorts, there are still many layers of anonymity to the experience: Newell likens it to the difference between email and chat. Sharing the biometric data took away some of that anonymity and changed the way that players interacted.
"This other thing is where you just have this bar on the side of your screen going up and down showing somebody else's arousal state actually seems to bring that sense of connection back, like your brain is flexible enough to actually internalise that as sort of a replacement for a bunch of the face-to-face cueing that we've lost," Newell says.
"So that's an example of something where we were completely caught by surprise as a side-effect of doing this biometric research... so we're going to do a lot more of that and we're sure that a lot of other people will discover a lot of other interesting things about it, but I think there's a lot of untapped opportunity in the biometrics space."
Skiesofwonder said:
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=AezWAAAAEBAJ&dq=Nintendo+Co.,+Ltd.
Found here:
http://kyoto-report.blogspot.com/2011/02/fan-contribute.html
onQ123 said:
They should measure Wii2 power in GRP(Grass rendering power) because the PS3 might be more powerful than Xbox 360, but the later can still render more grass than Sony's console in some games, and we all know how much grass is of upmost importance in Zelda games.
poppabk
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Bluetooth is subject to interference as well, I know because my wii won't work with my wireless speakers. The Wiimote is also subject to interference from lights, even plain old sunlight and it used components that had trouble reading the required input correctly. Wii sports, the game that made the Wii succesful, had multiple issues with reading and interpreting input correctly. They also stuck with 480p, which means upscaling lag for an increasing number of people.DECK'ARD said:
Onlive works over plain old wireless and they sell their box, including wireless controller for $100, sure it has latency, but it is playable. As for what Nintendo would use streaming for, I am not sure, but it is technically feasible. They could be streaming everything that ever appears on the screen, be it HUD, video, inventory etc, and the controller would just have the display tech and no actual computing power at all.
MisterHero
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are the trees animate and talk, or are they only animate or only talk, or are they inanimate and do not talkVitet said:
this is of utmost importance
1-D_FTW said:
It doesn't have to do everything at once. While on the coffee table or in your lap, it can be used for seamless inventory management, constant display of secondary information, and easy access to OS features accessed either through the Wii remote or touch, respectively. The 3D could be used while in your hands / lap for streaming 3D netflix, or for fun AR games.
I'm not saying that everything I suggested is going to come into fruition. I just think that the idea of having 6" touchscreen built into a traditional controller is unlikely, due to size, durability, and cost. I think a standalone tablet is much more likely.
poppabk said:
And what happens when you have a second controller with a screen?
It's just become twice as difficult. Then three times. And then four times. The resulting lag which would be bad initially, would by then become absolutely ridiculous.
So, Nintendo are going to give up on multiplayer for the sake of this alleged screen in your hands? Or carry on as before and have the television as the focus for the multiplayer, like consoles have been since the dawn of time.
Common sense says the latter.
Fourth Storm
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poppabk said:
Don't forget the mess that was online Brawl. People are turning Nintendo into a straw man in regards to not embracing new technology (even if it has a few downsides), when their track record is much more varied.
Woffls
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This is exactly what I think it will be used for, and I even did a mock up with the RE inventory on the screen! Can't remember who suggested OS features first, but that's a great idea because we could browse the web, friends lists etc while still in the game. Not that useful for F-Zero, but if you're just sailing for the next 5 minutes, then maybe that's enough time to hop on Twitter and say "ugh, sailing to Dragon Roost Island again!".Pocks said:
As for the wireless streaming tech, I'm sure what they want to achieve is possible, but I just hope there's an option to use local Wifi so I can play in the garden
[edit] The tablet/screen will definitely be removable in some way, but I don't think they'd prevent us from buying more than one per system. The question is what they're telling developers. Can they use all 4 screens? How much bandwidth will they get for each one?
thehillissilent
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I hope we will learn some solid details next Tuesday from the Investors meeting. I hope that they might show real game footage unlike that Pre-rendered? Pokemon Battle stuff they did for the Wii.
Pocks said:
If you want a standalone tablet, then you'd buy a standalone table. And you'd sell it as a standalone tablet. Not bundle it with a console, because it will cost loads to make and they are serving 2 completely different purposes.
It would be like Apple giving you an iPad with the AppleTV to control it with. It's madness.
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