Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

Nikodemos

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Deserved. Probably the best example of the right person at the right time we have seen in decades.


i don't understand all of the complaints in the comments? I assume shills and bots though.
In fairness, he was kinda bad as a peacetime president (his approval ratings back in December 2021 were pretty awful).
Which just goes to show that being a good peacetime leader =/= being a good wartime leader. Completely different skillsets.
 
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Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
In fairness, he was kinda bad as a peacetime president (his approval ratings back in December 2021 were pretty awful).
Which just goes to show that being a good peacetime leader =/= being a good wartime leader. Completely different skillsets.
Churchill was actually the same way if I remember correctly.
 

UnNamed

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Deserved. Probably the best example of the right person at the right time we have seen in decades.

In fairness, he was kinda bad as a peacetime president (his approval ratings back in December 2021 were pretty awful).
Which just goes to show that being a good peacetime leader =/= being a good wartime leader. Completely different skillsets.

I think both of you are right. From what I've read from multiple sources, before the conflict Zelenskyy's politics was percieved as mediocre, based on that populism that cannot solve real problems. Probably without the war, he wouldn't be elected again.

He reminds me a character from an italian movie General Della Rovere, which was a fraud who pretends to be an italian general to have many favours and gifts, he will eventually fight against nazist fully embracing his new "role".
 

Lasha

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I think both of you are right. From what I've read from multiple sources, before the conflict Zelenskyy's politics was percieved as mediocre, based on that populism that cannot solve real problems. Probably without the war, he wouldn't be elected again.

He reminds me a character from an italian movie General Della Rovere, which was a fraud who pretends to be an italian general to have many favours and gifts, he will eventually fight against nazist fully embracing his new "role".

Residents of post-soviet countries are highly resistant to change. The idea of a transparent meritocracy appeals to people until change affects their own connections and lifestyle. Reformers are elected on a wave of populism then face the massive obstacle of institutionalized corruption.
 

Nikodemos

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Residents of post-soviet countries are highly resistant to change. The idea of a transparent meritocracy appeals to people until change affects their own connections and lifestyle. Reformers are elected on a wave of populism then face the massive obstacle of institutionalized corruption.
This, sadly. Everybody rails against the bloated state apparatus, until cousin Gyorgy gets fired, due to town hall personnel downsizing, and ends up on the dole. And you can't sneak through your own dossier (for whatever request) via him anymore.
 
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FUBARx89

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In fairness, he was kinda bad as a peacetime president (his approval ratings back in December 2021 were pretty awful).
Which just goes to show that being a good peacetime leader =/= being a good wartime leader. Completely different skillsets.

Just like Churchill. Absolutely abysmal as a peacetime leader, but the right man to be in charge for a war.

Hopefully he'll be remembered like Churchill is.
 

Lasha

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This, sadly. Everybody rails against the bloated state apparatus, until cousin Gyorgy gets fired, due to town hall personnel downsizing, and ends up on the dole. And you can't sneak through your own dossier (for whatever request) via him anymore.

My relatives were nonplussed when they learned that I accurately report and pay taxes on all of my rental income. They could not fathom paying taxes since its basically impossible to get caught and we have a relative in the RS to smooth things over if I were to ever be subjected to an audit. They equally baffled that I have notarized rental agreements and clear accounting for all of the business I do. Zelenskyy is probably an excellent president in a normal electorate. Dealing with a backwards populace expecting generational change in a few years without pain would demolish basically every leader. I don't think people appreciate the authoritarian or less democratic phases that most developed countries went through over decades or centuries.
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Correct. Churchill lost the 1945 general election.
Yeah I remember now. He won the war, but people were afraid he couldn't keep the peace due to his opinions on Stalin and communism.

They were probably right.
 

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Tongue Goat GIF
 

zeomax

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We are fully aware of what nuclear weapons are,” Putin said. He added, without elaborating: “We have them, and they are more advanced and state-of-the-art than what any other nuclear power has.”

Sure buddy, like all your other weapons that are decades ahead of the western counterparts.

 

W11d

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Residents of post-soviet countries are highly resistant to change. The idea of a transparent meritocracy appeals to people until change affects their own connections and lifestyle. Reformers are elected on a wave of populism then face the massive obstacle of institutionalized corruption.
yeah and doing it at the same time pandemic hits didn't help it either
 

winjer

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Yeah I remember now. He won the war, but people were afraid he couldn't keep the peace due to his opinions on Stalin and communism.

They were probably right.

That wasn't the reason he lost.
Attlee ran a campaign on improving workers rights, creating the NHS, nationalizing key infrastructure, more employment, etc.
After such a grueling war, the British people wanted a better social life, and the Labour party showed a comprehensive plan for that during the campaign, that resonated with the people.

Churchill, although a hero, was old and people saw him as disconnected from the modern world.
There was also the issue of Chamberlain, who was also a Conservative party member. And people didn't forget he was responsible for the appeasement policy with Hitler.
 

Tams

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My relatives were nonplussed when they learned that I accurately report and pay taxes on all of my rental income. They could not fathom paying taxes since its basically impossible to get caught and we have a relative in the RS to smooth things over if I were to ever be subjected to an audit. They equally baffled that I have notarized rental agreements and clear accounting for all of the business I do. Zelenskyy is probably an excellent president in a normal electorate. Dealing with a backwards populace expecting generational change in a few years without pain would demolish basically every leader. I don't think people appreciate the authoritarian or less democratic phases that most developed countries went through over decades or centuries.

Some are still transitioning, like Vietnam, Jordan, or Oman.

India seem to love an authoritarian-lite leader.

And many still bear traits of it. Singapore is pretty authoritarian. South Korea only got rid of their monster in the 80s and there's still an authoritarian streak there. Even Japan has authoritarian-like aspects, and has had a single party in power for almost the entire time since the war. Not to mention generations of politicians from the same families.
 

TwinB242

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This thread is a good summary and interpretation of Putin's latest speech. He chose his words carefully but it seems increasingly obvious that he is committed to continuing the war for a while. Its going to be difficult but the west needs to commit itself to Ukraine for the foreseeable future, even if thats going to be years

 
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Darius87

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This thread is a good summary and interpretation of Putin's latest speech. He chose his words carefully but it seems increasingly obvious that he is committed to continuing the war for a while. Its going to be difficult but the west needs to commit itself to Ukraine for the foreseeable future, even if thats going to be years

first he says "i'm not bluffing" now russia won't use nukes first, he's changes his opinion often.
 

Cyberpunkd

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He chose his words carefully but it seems increasingly obvious that he is committed to continuing the war for a while.
What else can he do? If he ends the war on bad terms for Russia he is open to the attack by all the internal factions, FSB, etc. that are just waiting to take the power. He is personally not hurting, Russian elite is not hurting and if Russian history teaches you anything is people at the top never, ever give a shit about the common folk.
This will go on even if Ukraine kicks out Russia and military movements will grind to a halt. Just look at North Korea / South Korea scenario.
 
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TwinB242

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What else can he do? If he ends the war on bad terms for Russia he is open to the attack by all the internal factions, FSB, etc. that are just waiting to take the power. He is personally not hurting, Russian elite is not hurting and if Russian history teaches you anything is people at the top never, ever give a shit about the common folk.
This will go on even if Ukraine kicks out Russia and military movements will grind to a halt. Just look at North Korea / South Korea scenario.

He still has enough power and influence that he could pull back his troops and make up some bullshit about how the Ukranian nationalists and nazis have been neutralized, and as a result Ukraine is no longer a threat to Russia so they can end the 'special military operation'. The problem is that he really thinks he's the next Peter the Great and is willing to stake his entire reputation and legacy on this war, even if it results in hundreds of thousands of dead Russians over the course of the next few years and a crippled economy that will take decades to recover.

We can only hope he ends up dying from sickness soon and someone more reasonable takes his place.
 

Cyberpunkd

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Why is France so stingy with support?

Because it’s France .. better throw them away when you have war ..

I think this only covers aid that has been publicly announced. IIRC France has sent a bunch of stuff but they haven't put that information out there.
It is more complicated:

1. France for decades, if not centuries had a very dedicated pro-Russian angle among the elites and the government. You cannot undo all of that in a few months or years.
2. LFI who is gaining ground are your crazy left-wing ecological wackos that want to eat the rich and sneakily support Russia, the same as RN of Marine Le Pen.
3. France right now preparing for a possibility of - deep breath - 2 hours of electricity cuts in January, nobody wants to stir the nest and talk further support for Ukraine.
4. Macron might be book smart, but he is an idiot when it comes to the streets - he is still harboring delusions he can influence Putin and end this war. So he doesn't want to antagonize Russia by providing more support to Ukraine.
 
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Thaedolus

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Lol maybe watch at least 30 seconds of the video i posted then decide
You haven’t given me any reason to, you didn’t summarize any of the video or the guest’s points, and I think Brand is a retard who probably has people on with equally idiotic takes. I’m not inclined to sit around listening to mental diarrhea from someone who continually makes an ass of himself
 
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