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Sakurai considered Geno for Super Smash Bros. Brawl/4
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That is kinda dicky
Diddy Kong
Banned
The costume was a nice prize. I'd love to see Geno make it one day.
SenorArdilla
Member
It's like they never picked the phone up ever again after the initial go-ahead with Cloud and Midgar.
When I checked the interview and got to "Costumes" I got real excited thinking they were gonna address the playable roster's alt costumes, and maaaaybeee the purple dress for Cloud could have been mentioned...Alas, Mii Costumes chat.
It feels so surreal to read Sakurai genuinely wants Geno in the game. No offense to Geno's fans but the Mii Costume already seemed like high acknowledgement, and now we find out the man himself wants him in? Wow. Geno in Smash NX, anyone?
It feels so surreal to read Sakurai genuinely wants Geno in the game. No offense to Geno's fans but the Mii Costume already seemed like high acknowledgement, and now we find out the man himself wants him in? Wow. Geno in Smash NX, anyone?
NinjaCoachZ
Member
Would a full-scale reference model for Midgar even exist? I mean, given how pretty much all we saw of it in FFVII is pre-rendered, the Advent Children version wouldn't be the most accurate, etc.
There might be some concept art detailing its full map out there but who knows how accessible it is.
There might be some concept art detailing its full map out there but who knows how accessible it is.
MrSaturn99
Member
Bolded originated in the Kirby anime, so I imagine it's the same situation as Nakamura.
Everything else you listed are legit bummers.
I suppose they can't bring 'em all back, sadly. It's still very questionable logic to shun almost all Metroid Prime music in favor of Other M's tunes, include eight flippin' renditions of Jungle Hijinx and leave Molgera away...
SenorArdilla
Member
Oh man. Alt colors.
Cloud should have totally gotten his dress as an alt. And then there's all that wasted potential with Olimar (Louie, the President, Brittany, Charlie).
Speaking of which, Smash NX needs to give Olimar back his six Pikmin. And then maybe add Rock Pikmin that do more shield damage/stun but can't cling.
Cloud should have totally gotten his dress as an alt. And then there's all that wasted potential with Olimar (Louie, the President, Brittany, Charlie).
Speaking of which, Smash NX needs to give Olimar back his six Pikmin. And then maybe add Rock Pikmin that do more shield damage/stun but can't cling.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I understand why Sakurai chose Cloud over Geno because Cloud would actually sells very well, comparing to Geno. I guess people are going to expect Geno to be in Smash NX now.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
Holy shit you're right! I never knew this!
Yeah, some songs being cut is an inevitability I guess. I just don't get why out of all the Metroid Prime songs, they brought back the fairly forgettable Parasite Queen theme and not the actual main theme from the first game, or why remixes they put such time and effort into would be dropped. So weird. And the one version of Jungle Japes that actually makes sense to include got left out. Yeesh.
Pirate Ship and Hyrule Castle were both perfect opportunities to bring Molgera back too. I was happy that the latter had Termina Field again but... yeah. :/
I miss Multi-Man Melee 1 also...
SourceGaming found out that Rock Pikmin were planned but got cut, actually.
Miss Cloud would've been awesome but overall I'm happy with Cloud's alts. I think the Advent Children design's one of the few instances of a non-game entry in a series being acknowledged by Smash (though that's probably because AC is actually canon to the games).
Square-Enix did a tech demo based on Final Fantasy VII for the PS3. A full-scale reference model of Midgar probably exists.
There was a missed opportunity to finish the Palutena's Guidance conversations for the rest of the DLC characters. They bought back the English and Japanese voice actors to do Bayonetta's reveal trailer. I wish someone would ask about this in an interview. Doesn't seem like it was a matter of money or availability. Was it something they couldn't patch in?
TheDinoman
Member
A day late, but if anyone cares, here's the second part of the interview that recently got translated. It talks about the DLC characters.
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2016/02/23/nintendo-dream-interview-with-sakurai-part-2/
To y'all who insist Cloud (and Snake) shouldn't of been in Smash because "he wasn't born on a Nintendo console!", I'd take Sakurai's advice up here.
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2016/02/23/nintendo-dream-interview-with-sakurai-part-2/
To y'all who insist Cloud (and Snake) shouldn't of been in Smash because "he wasn't born on a Nintendo console!", I'd take Sakurai's advice up here.
Jawmuncher
Member
Good Guy Sakurai. I think that mean we can cancel out Snake was cut for not being nintendo enough a second time.
That isn't much a problem when it comes to third parties, certainly. But he may have a problem if he tries to add someone from a first party competitor (or at least Nintendo may not be so keen on the possibility). I'm mainly talking about characters like Banjo & Kazooie.
TheDinoman
Member
Understandable but I was mainly referring to the weirdos who disliked Snake and Cloud being in because they weren't associated with Nintendo enough and how we should of gotten a Black Mage and Simon Belmont over them or something, despite not being as famous.
Yeah the selection of assists has been pretty good. I'd love to see some of them become characters eventually
TheDinoman
Member
I think Takamaru has a decent shot provided he gets another game.
You know a guilty pleasure choice of mine is Tingle, actually. I know a lot of people hate him but I think he's pretty funny. I wouldn't add him as a Zelda character, though. I think he'd more fitting as a representative of his own franchise much like Wario and Yoshi. Maybe if Nintendo bothers to produce more games like Rosy Rupeeland and (dare I say) actually release them in the US, they might promote him to playable status.
Sakurai probably gives less fucks about banjo kazooie than Bonk
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/04/13/the-definitive-unused-fighters-list-in-smash/
I still don't think it's going to happen, but hey.
What if the "adult circumstances" refer to the giant penis hidden in the dinosaur level of Banjo-Tooie?
Nocturnowl
Member
Sakurai was surely dead set on using Terrydactyl land and nothing else, because Rare games consist entirely of jungle like locations in his mind.
MrSaturn99
Member
You thought the Smash 4 train was crazy? Imagine if in the next Smash we get both Geno and Banjo-Kazooie.
I think it meant that all of HAL Lab's staff have gigantic furry fetishes and they wouldn't be able to focus on work if Banjo was in. Donkey Kong is already too much.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
????????????????
In Japan. Binding Blade is the most popular game between the SNES and Awakening.
https://sites.google.com/site/japanltdrank/
Fire Emblem: Awakening - 460,568
Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu - 431,000
Fire Emblem: Fuuin no Tsurugi - 345,574 [Roy's game]
Fire Emblem: Rekka no Ken - 265,286 [Lyn's game]
Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon - 252,309
Fire Emblem: Shin Monshou no Nazo: Hikari to Kage no Eiyuu - 250,592
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones - 246,719
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn - 171,924
Fire Emblem: Thracia 776 - 158,695
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance - 156,413
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Roy's our BOY!
Theanine3D
Member
I still expect a Dragon Quest character to get added in before Geno or any SMRPG character. Now that a FF one has been added it's only a matter of time.
DQ has a huge, huge pull in Japan. Much bigger than Geno ever will (and I say that as a massive SMRPG fan)
Not sure who'd it be though. I'm guessing Terry from the Monsters games since those have all been mostly exclusive to Nintendo platforms (except for the PS1 remake of DQM1+2). The moveset could involve summoning different monsters ala Pokemon Trainer.
DQ has a huge, huge pull in Japan. Much bigger than Geno ever will (and I say that as a massive SMRPG fan)
Not sure who'd it be though. I'm guessing Terry from the Monsters games since those have all been mostly exclusive to Nintendo platforms (except for the PS1 remake of DQM1+2). The moveset could involve summoning different monsters ala Pokemon Trainer.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
Yeah but I mean, his game being popular/high-selling doesn't necessarily mean he's popular as a character. (e.g. Ike's is the worst-selling and he's almost universally beloved even independent of his inclusion in SSB.) Meh.
TheDinoman
Member
I felt like the reason we keep getting jungle levels is because he feels that setting is what most people might associate DK with, being a gorilla. Basically every DK game starts off with a jungle level of sorts.
In a way, you can sort of the say a similar thing with Mario. Mushroom Kingdom U, both Mario Circuits, Golden Plains, 3D Land, Mario Galaxy, etc all have a basic grassland theme to them.
In that sense, if Banjo & Kazooie were playable in Smash, I'd reckon their stage would be Spiral Mountain.
There might be a better source than this (I've only seen it posted on GameFAQs), but this should be the results of the DLC character popularity poll found in Awakening's Knights of Iris book.
1 - Marth
2 - Lyn
3 - Roy
4 - Eirika
5 - Sigud
6 - Alm
7 - Ephraim
8 - Seliph
9 - Leif
10 - Ike
Akhe
Member
Just relax and enjoy it...
Popcorn? = D
TheDinoman
Member
And meanwhile, Samus still fights by bashing her arm cannon against people instead of, you know, shooting shit from it.
She brought a gun to a sword fight to bash people with it
I think that Samus' playstyle is pretty fun, if it was closer to Mii Gunner, it would be really boring, fun or not she needs buff though
If Sakurai changes Ganondorf, all the spammers and kids who use him will riot.
And someone needs to ask him why he left Wolf out of the game when SFZ is almost here. That was a major fuckup.
TheDinoman
Member
I'd say the most likely answer is that Lucas took priority over Wolf as the returning Brawl veteran (while Roy was the returning Melee veteran) and ultimately he wanted to mainly focus on creating fully unique and fleshed out newcomers for Smash 4's DLC period, hence Ryu, Cloud, Bayonetta and Corrin turning out as they did.
SenorArdilla
Member
Maybe they're implying that Star Wolf isn't in the game.
Green Mamba
Member
SSB4 already brought back two characters from Melee before Roy, there was no good reason to bring back a third over a second Brawl character, especially one as redundant as Roy.
I'm pretty sure we know Pigma at the very least is in the game.
TheDinoman
Member
Dr. Mario wasn't DLC though, he was in the base game.
I like Source Gaming's theory about this: http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/12/21/the-corrin-controversy/
As for Mewtwo, it seemed like they planned him a long time before the other DLC characters, in fact, I get the feeling they were trying to get him into the base roster.
When the game was being leaked, notice how Mewtwo had a question mark over him unlike the other cut characters. I imagined they tried to get him on the initial roster but couldn't, so they planned him as a bonus for later on. I think the criteria they had for adding him was different from that of Lucas and Roy.
Green Mamba
Member
In that sense it sort of does sound like DLC post Mewtwo was determined in a vacuum of sorts, treated like its own individual project instead of something that built off of a foundation that already existed, which would explain how we ended up with six Fire Emblem characters. But I definitely stand by my assertion that that was the incorrect way to go about it. Both Melee character fans and Fire Emblem character fans had already been catered to well enough by the time Roy came around. A different approach should have been taken.
Triforce141
Member
In the case of Wolf, I think Sakurai would've wanted to redo a good part of the animations much like how he smoothed out Wario. Wolf's animations were very jerky since he was rushed out with Toon Link and Jigglypuff, and Lucas' animations were already well done in Brawl since he was in development way before Wolf was. So the process of doing Lucas in Smash 4 should've been shorter or easier compared to Wolf.
Lucas fits well for the Brawl vet DLC, and IMO, Roy was the best choice for Melee veteran, I mean would Pichu really set the same surprise factor as Roy?
Lucas fits well for the Brawl vet DLC, and IMO, Roy was the best choice for Melee veteran, I mean would Pichu really set the same surprise factor as Roy?
TheDinoman
Member
I'd also say Lucas in general was more important to his series than Wolf is to SF, honestly.
See, Lucas is actually the protagonist of his own game that he represents. I always felt having Ness alone was a pretty poor way to represent Mother as a whole, because he was only in EB and can't cover the other parts of the series. With Lucas back on the table, Mother 3 is represented again, and thus the two most popular and important games in the series both get their fair share of presence in Smash Bros. with playable characters. As a bit of a compensation for Mother 1, it's represented through a stage on the 3DS version.
Wolf on the other hand is sort of a minor mini-boss character. Fox and Falco are in every Star Fox game so cutting Wolf out doesn't exclude any installments of the series like Lucas and Mother 3. Ultimately, when you look at all the DLC characters, you'll notice that ALL of them are the protagonists of the games they came from, with the exception of Mewtwo, who's a Pokemon and therefore popular by default.
See, Lucas is actually the protagonist of his own game that he represents. I always felt having Ness alone was a pretty poor way to represent Mother as a whole, because he was only in EB and can't cover the other parts of the series. With Lucas back on the table, Mother 3 is represented again, and thus the two most popular and important games in the series both get their fair share of presence in Smash Bros. with playable characters. As a bit of a compensation for Mother 1, it's represented through a stage on the 3DS version.
Wolf on the other hand is sort of a minor mini-boss character. Fox and Falco are in every Star Fox game so cutting Wolf out doesn't exclude any installments of the series like Lucas and Mother 3. Ultimately, when you look at all the DLC characters, you'll notice that ALL of them are the protagonists of the games they came from, with the exception of Mewtwo, who's a Pokemon and therefore popular by default.
Green Mamba
Member
Roy had more work put into redoing his animations than Wolf would have required, and Roy was really the only choice for a Melee veteran because they had already included the two other choices they could have potentially pulled.
Lucas over Wolf absolutely makes sense (though I disagree that he's necessary to Earthbound's representation), but I really don't think another Melee veteran was necessary at all.
It would have to be Pierce Brosnan bond.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Lucas was apparently more popular tha Wolf, and they decided to only do three vets. At least according to the interview.