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Sakurai considered Geno for Super Smash Bros. Brawl/4
- Thread starter TheDinoman
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All content from 3DS and Wii U with additional chars/stages and they got my $60.
Linkstrikesback
Member
I don't. I'm sure the list of characters sakurai considered wanting to put in the games is in the hundreds.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
So he put Cloud in instead. GG.
Piston Hyundai
Member
I'd love to hear why he didn't make it in.
Honestly, I couldn't think of a better reason for why he should be in the game. Just give me all the deep cuts my ass can handle. I should be fucking up the elf from the Brownie Brown logo as a deck of Hanafuda cards, god damn it.
Honestly, I couldn't think of a better reason for why he should be in the game. Just give me all the deep cuts my ass can handle. I should be fucking up the elf from the Brownie Brown logo as a deck of Hanafuda cards, god damn it.
Sakurai honestly made the right call. Cloud definitely turned more heads as DLC than Geno would have. That being said, Geno would be great as a base roster addition for Smash 5 (assuming that Square-Enix signs off on it).
My main question is if he'd count as a Mario character or his own franchise.
TheDinoman
Member
At the very least, he should have his own victory theme ala Rosalina and Bowser/Bowser Jr.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeMAHzsafcw
Have it override the usual results screen music like Cloud's.
Definitely Mario. Mario is still the star of the game. Plus, Mario Kart, Paper Mario, and the other Mario RPGs are considered part of the Mario series in Smash Bros.
Corrin is the lead character of a brand new first-party game. Geno is a tertiary party member from a twenty-year-old third-party game.
TheDinoman
Member
You know, back when I was 10 and actually really wanted Geno in Brawl (i've calmed down since then lol), I thought of the ways he'd be incorporated into the Subspace Emissary. I believe i imagined the other characters would wound up in a forest somewhere and they see Geno wandering around, and thus the stage would consist of following him through the woods while fighting enemies just like in Super Mario RPG. This would play obviously.
I also imagined Smithy being one of the bosses, ha.
I also imagined Smithy being one of the bosses, ha.
balladofwindfishes
Member
But not Wrecking Crew!
I only asked because unlike the examples you listed, Square-Enix owns anyone original to Super Mario RPG.
FTFY
TheDinoman
Member
I still think it's annoying that the Golden Hammer is listed as a Super Mario item when they established Wrecking Crew as its own universe.
balladofwindfishes
Member
The Dr Mario viruses are an "other" trophy, while Doc himself and all of his music are Mario series.
Yoshi trophies are a mess too. People like Kamek and Baby Mario aren't Yoshi characters apparently. Even though Baby Mario was a Yoshi trophy in Melee, and Kamek started life as a Yoshi character.
Yeah, Geno's in a unique position, but I still think he'd be considered a regular Mario character. I also imagine that someone like Lana would be considered a Zelda character rather than a Hyrule Warriors character (not that she'd ever be included).
To be fair, Kamek is probably considered a Mario character in this game because he's a stage element in the Mushroom Kingdom U stage.
Jawmuncher
Member
If I can't have snake I'm pushing for Lanky Kong.
DecoReturns
Member
Making a list of wanted newcomers and you all forget Paper Mario?
Unforgivable
Unforgivable
God Dayumm
Banned
Doesn't even say from which franchise he is. I hate modern journalism
Choppasmith
Member
Man this makes me feel OLD
Anyway, as I've said in previous threads, I've always been in that "Geno would be cool, but it's totally understandable why he isn't" camp. The maddening thing is, as pointed out, is that now for the next Smash there's going to be people hoping for him because Sakurai said this. If he didn't I think people would have given up by now.
Now I'm just hoping that maybe JUST MAYBE we can get another Square/Nintendo Mario RPG where they can bring him back giving him a much more viable reason to be in the next Smash. At least get Shimomura to do a new Forest Maze remix for a Mario stage. GAWD!
CaviarMeths
Member
I think it's safe to assume that anyone who made it in as a Mii costume or even assist trophy was probably considered for the roster.
They played Mario RPG music in the trailer for the Geno outfit but couldnt have the decency to actually put any songs from that game into Smash. Not to mention only having 2 songs on Midgar.
I wanna say Square is the bad guy but they have no problem adding music from FF and Mario RPG into the Mario spin-offs they produce for Nintendo.
I wanna say Square is the bad guy but they have no problem adding music from FF and Mario RPG into the Mario spin-offs they produce for Nintendo.
Thing that really gets me is the Japanese VO for Cloud. Should have left him silent like Mewtwo (who had a spoken lines in the Japanese SSB4). There's at least an explanation for Roy and Marth in order to make them distinct from the other FE characters that do speak English. Cloud's just cheap. They've had Steve Burton playing Cloud for a number of years for Kingdom Hearts and Advent Children (and a number of other games where Cloud has appeared).
EraErr0r1
Member
This. Hilarious!
Green Mamba
Member
Fat Chocobo was considered for the Midgar stage? Weird. Pirate Ship not being on the 3DS version because it wouldn't work is confirmation of an old theory too.
Kinda sad that Geno was apparently seriously considered at some point but Ridley is still an impossibility. sakurai pls
Kinda sad that Geno was apparently seriously considered at some point but Ridley is still an impossibility. sakurai pls
MisterHero
Super Member
lol they put in a bunch of SE characters in Mario Sports games / Fortune Street but not Geno.
maybe he costs extra money
A Link to the Past
Banned
SE probably wants to have their top characters represented, so Geno didn't get priority in that case.
But yeah, interesting interview. I wish he went into why Shiva was absent though.
But yeah, interesting interview. I wish he went into why Shiva was absent though.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Same
DecoReturns
Member
I'll buy a special edition of the game with he DLC characters on box with Mario, Pac-man, Sonic, and link.
Coffee Dog
Banned
hahaha, wow, nice one square.
TheDinoman
Member
On the subject of lesser Square characters, besides Geno I'd actually would love to see Crono included.
Chrono Trigger wasn't exactly a game changer in the same way Final Fantasy 7 was, but it still manages to be one of the most beloved and fondly remembered JRPGs ever. It's not too uncommon to see it on Top 5 RPG lists, hell, it's not too uncommon to see it be placed as #1 on those. When people talk about how great oldschool Squaresoft was in their prime, if they're not thinking about one of the Final Fantasy games, they'll usually think about Chrono Trigger.
I know a lot of people would bemoan the inclusion of "another anime swordsman" but to be fair, unless Takamaru becomes playable, we don't have someone who uses a katana, and he could also use lighting magic attacks. Maybe he could even have a mechanic where he summon his allies (Marle, Lucca, Frog, etc) to assist and power up his attacks as a way to represent double/triple techs, an important component of Chrono Trigger's gameplay.
Chrono Trigger wasn't exactly a game changer in the same way Final Fantasy 7 was, but it still manages to be one of the most beloved and fondly remembered JRPGs ever. It's not too uncommon to see it on Top 5 RPG lists, hell, it's not too uncommon to see it be placed as #1 on those. When people talk about how great oldschool Squaresoft was in their prime, if they're not thinking about one of the Final Fantasy games, they'll usually think about Chrono Trigger.
I know a lot of people would bemoan the inclusion of "another anime swordsman" but to be fair, unless Takamaru becomes playable, we don't have someone who uses a katana, and he could also use lighting magic attacks. Maybe he could even have a mechanic where he summon his allies (Marle, Lucca, Frog, etc) to assist and power up his attacks as a way to represent double/triple techs, an important component of Chrono Trigger's gameplay.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Now Nintendo and SE need to do a collaborative fighting game
Cloud
Terra
Cecil
Mog
Bartz
Slime
Torneko
Alena
Geno
Crono
Magus
Lucca
Sora
plz
Cloud
Terra
Cecil
Mog
Bartz
Slime
Torneko
Alena
Geno
Crono
Magus
Lucca
Sora
plz
balladofwindfishes
Member
I figured the Flying Man costume was just the old Magicant assets re purposed.
But now it's confirmed.
But now it's confirmed.
It'll be Male Lightning, Lightning and Lara Croft.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
Nintendo Vs Square Enix Dissidia? Don't do this to me.
A Link to the Past
Banned
I always forget about the mergers.
Lara Croft
Adam Jensen
Space Invader (this legitimately would be great for them to add as the next third-party rep)
Lara Croft
Adam Jensen
Space Invader (this legitimately would be great for them to add as the next third-party rep)
TheDinoman
Member
I think a Space Invader stage or assist trophy would definitely further cement Smash Bros. as being a celebration of the entire gaming industry. In pop culture, Its pixelated enemy alien basically are a symbol of video games as a whole.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Nah, Space Invader needs to be playable, stage or AT is just cowardly!!
MisterHero
Super Member
The tank from Space Invader is playable instead.
Nothing but upward shots and a spawnable barrier.
SenorArdilla
Member
More importantly, where's Sonic Boom?!
Edit: ... the Sonic CD song ... not to be confused with the TV series.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
They didn't want to pay royalties to the singers of Super Sonic Racing and Sonic Boom, but Sega owns all the rights for Crush 40 songs, Seven Rings in Hand, etc.
Also why Green Hill Zone's the only song from Sonic 1 and 2. They didn't want to pay Masato Nakamura.
Now, for REALLY weird omissions I want to get in his grill about, what the hell happened to Molgera Battle, Melee Jungle Japes (despite its actual stage being in the game??) Checker Knights, Opening / Menu (Metroid Prime), and most of all, THIS masterpiece??
You have no idea how bummed I was when I realized Shaberu got cut. :|