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[qirex]

you don't see a difference in those shots?

Sega fanboys have some sort of genetic condition that prevents any game ever from looking better to them than the Dreamcast version of Soul Calibur.

 

[DaCocoBrova]

You're joking right? Look at the textures and detail. Hell, he didn't even whip out the big guns with Soul Calibur III.

The DC image looks better to me. I have SC2 and it's superior to SC on the DC in every way. It's just the pics he used barely illustrates the disparity.

 

[fortified_concept]

Exactly. This is the important point, with the DC not a SINGLE game approached MGS2's level. With the 360 and PS3 however, you have games like Lost Planet, Gears of War, Mass Effect, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey (and if it's remotely close to the PC version) Alan Wake, all of which at least match the best that the PS3 offers.

At least match? You mean Naughty Dog game, MGS4, Motorstorm, White Knight, GT:HD Premium etc. are equal or worse to these games? And weren't DC fans claiming the exact thing that you're claiming now? That there's equal to MGS2 games on DC and that the journalists are wrong? What makes their opinion then different than your opinion now? Not to mention the only game PS2 fans had to show then was only MGS2, while now it's 5-6 games that show off PS3 graphics.

And guys please don't start bashing me I'm just openly stating my opinion since I was there during the PS2 launch and things were exactly the same with journalists claiming that PS2 is more powerful and Sega fans trying to discredit them.

 

[Ponn]

The DC image looks better to me. I have SC2 and it's superior to SC on the DC in every way. It's just the pics he used barely illustrates the disparity.

Theres opinion, and theres wrong. You're just plain wrong.

 

[DaCocoBrova]

Theres opinion, and theres wrong. You're just plain wrong.

Are you slow or something? Learn to read. I agreed with you guys.

The DC image looks better to me. I have SC2 and it's superior to SC on the DC in every way. It's just the pics he used barely illustrates the disparity.

 

[D.Cowboys]

Here's my thing with the "hardware advantage" topic. If they're so closely matched why do PS3 launch titles compare favorably to second year X360 titles? Why is it taking premier graphics programmers (like Epic) to compare to PS3 first gen titles?

I don't see how the hardware advantage could be ignored, because its not just better art design, its a tangible difference in the systems when Koei Canada is making a great looking game for launch (Fatal Inertia, FYI).

It doesn't mean the X360 is "dreamcasted, LOLZORZ!" like the sony fanboys try and tell everyone. It could still be the "winning" console in this generation (by that I mean pull neck and neck with Sony in marketshare, I don't see MS overtaking the industry in one pass unless some crazy shit really goes down). But it won't be based on a graphical edge or even equal graphical power at reduced price. It'll have to be about superior content and services. The PS2 < Xbox difference is probably a larger gap than the X360 < PS3, and that didn't doom the PS2 thanks to a constant supply of great content.

I agree again Drek but this guy who wrote the article did exactly what you said shouldn't have been done. He DC''ed the 360.

On another note, by seeing the PS3 screens and media maybe the hype for how hard it is to program all those spus is overblown? Maybe it's easier than what was initially thought
Sure as hell looks that way to me.

 

[Mooreberg]

Microsoft launched a year earlier than they should have so it was inevitable this was going to happen. That doesn't necessarily mean much though if so few people can pick up a PS3 before next spring. Between that and the Wii being $250, XB360 would be the most attractive system this fall with a price drop.

 

[jax (old)]

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/435/435305p2.html

Graphics
Soul Calibur II is not an ugly game. In fact, it's quite the opposite; character models are smooth and detailed, and sport some impressive textures. The same goes for the environments, though a feeling of emptiness often accompanies each arena. Honestly, we could go on about Inferno's nifty fire effect, or Voldo's creepy, stationary strut, or even Taki's newfound jiggle. But the truth is, Soul Calibur II is not that far of a stretch from its predecessor. Yes, it's obviously better looking in every way, and it is without a doubt a beautiful game, but don't expect to wowed in any manner of the sort.

So we see the same parallel between the two Soul Caliburs yet again, this time in regards to the graphics. Did the first game set a high bar visually? Yes. Could it be improved upon? Definitely.

Posting the above because it echoed how I felt when I saw SC2. I'm sure a lot of you did too.

lol @ the lets post SCIII pics comments. 2 sequels and no improvement + greater understanding of ps2 hardware? of course it'd look better

 

[dark10x]

Are you slow or something? Learn to read. I agreed with you guys.

It's that image, though. There is a VERY clear difference between the two present in those two images. The DC image lacks so much texture detail (just solid silver) and isn't nearly as complex or nuanced as the SC2 model is. I'm honestly baffled as to how you could not see the difference there, seriously.

Posting the above because it echoed how I felt when I saw SC2. I'm sure a lot of you did too.

Why would it even matter what a review says? I consider myself a more capable judge of technical qualities than most reviewers out there, so it really means little.

There is a very clear difference between the two, however. It is not a generational leap or anything, but SC2 clearly sports a significantly higher level of detail in its characters and environments. What's unfortunate is that the lighting was toned down from Namco's PS2 fighter Tekken Tag. TTT suffered from its root in an older arcade game (stiff animation and disconnected backgrounds), but it featured incredible lighting effects and detailed models. It looked better than SC2 in many ways.

 

[Brofist]

The DC image looks better to me. I have SC2 and it's superior to SC on the DC in every way. It's just the pics he used barely illustrates the disparity.

that's the part that is wrong though

 

[Ponn]

Are you slow or something? Learn to read. I agreed with you guys.

Even with your attempt at backtracking and trying to contradict yourself in your own post you are still wrong. We are not talking a "barely" discrepency here. You can't have a "better in every way" and "barely" trying to minimalize it in the same breath. Especially when the "barely" is flat out wrong.

 

[Ikael]

I really can't see the OMG blatant PS3 graphic superiority, really. Some games on the PS3 looks better than the 360's ones, and vice versa, that's all.

Sam simply thinks that casuals are so expert at comparing screenshots / videos / etc as us, hardcores, and that they value graphics as much as we do. Both statements are wrong. Heck, for a casual, Wind Walker's graphics are "shitty" while GTA's ones are "great", because instead of counting FPS or analyzing gound textures as if they were evaluating a Goya's picture, they just recieve a "general impression" which has way more to do with artstyle and tematic than motion blur and light sources.

He made another point that intrigued me: the one about the controller + nunchuck making the Wii less casual friendly. First, I think that the overworring about how cool you look while playing is just an anglo saxon thing (and a retarded one), you only have to give a look to the sucess of things like Singstar or DDR in Europe or well, the whole Japan top ten chart to see that it is more of a "regional" thing. However, about it being more intimidating... well, if you stop to look at it, the games aimed at non gamers like Wii sports only use the wiimote, while the nunchaku is only used at more complex games aimed for hardcores like Red Steel or Zelda so I don't think that there isn't any problem... for now. And LOL @ the Dualshockii being more intuitive and friendlier to non gamers.

 

[DCharlie]

Okay I'm being serious DC. You got it hard because you said Motorstorm looks like ASS. You even capitalize the word "ASS" to get your point across. That statement alone nullified anything else you had to say.


That's like me saying that PGR3 looks like ASS.

no it isn't - the friday build ran like ASS (with capital letters to YES ! emphasis how bad it was)

Obviously, i'm in the minority here as the only people who had concerns were me and the developers of the game who altered the build on saturday after saying 'there were issues with the old build'

... or maybe they were just replacing the AWESOME build with the SUPER AWESOME.
Seriously, even when i'm trumpetting for the PS3, half you arseholes make me want to hate it because your so ****ing idiotic.

i was right that i should quit and the last week when i didn't post or read gaf was bliss - every time i come to the board , you arsewipes make me WANT to hate sony more.

 

[Mithos Yggdrasill]

Yeah just read it... hm this thread aint going well. :lol

I predict the same thing. I agree with him that PS3's games looks really good and some really awesome. But the rest is pure fanboyism. Well, it is his opinion: I have another one.

 

[ShowDog]

Compare SC3 to SC to see a massive difference. Dreamcast had some good graphics, but PS2 definately eclipsed it, no matter what you are smoking.

However, I still think Shenmue was excellent both in variety of textures used and texture quality, if that makes any sense. Every building was textured so well and the environments were pretty large... I don't think any PS2 game can compare in that sense.

Does anyone agree? Shenmue 1 and 2 really show the strengths of the Dreamcast (as well as weaknesses). I think anyone arguing about DC's supposed superiority or competence against the PS2 would have to cite those games as examples.

Anyways I don't know what this has to do with anything about the original thread, but whatevers.

 

[jax (old)]

It's that image, though. There is a VERY clear difference between the two present in those two images. The DC image lacks so much texture detail (just solid silver) and isn't nearly as complex or nuanced as the SC2 model is. I'm honestly baffled as to how you could not see the difference there, seriously.


Why would it even matter what a review says? I consider myself a more capable judge of technical qualities than most reviewers out there, so it really means little.

There is a very clear difference between the two, however. It is not a generational leap or anything, but SC2 clearly sports a significantly higher level of detail in its characters and environments. What's unfortunate is that the lighting was toned down from Namco's PS2 fighter Tekken Tag. TTT suffered from its root in an older arcade game (stiff animation and disconnected backgrounds), but it featured incredible lighting effects and detailed models. It looked better than SC2 in many ways.

I could be wrong but dude, aren't you the same guy bemoaning GC RE4's visual shittiness and praising PS2 RE4?

and the guys now jumping down DCharlie's + DaCocoBrova's throat is totally hilarious.

 

[drohne]

why is this thread reading like 2000 all of a sudden? mgs2, soul calibur, dcharlie's ongoing psychodrama. PS THREE, PEOPLE

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

I could be wrong but dude, aren't you the same guy bemoaning GC RE4's visual shittiness and praising PS2 RE4?

and the guys now jumping down DCharlie's + DaCocoBrova's throat is totally hilarious.

No.

 

[Ponn]

no it isn't - the friday build ran like ASS (with capital letters to YES ! emphasis how bad it was)

Obviously, i'm in the minority here as the only people who had concerns were me and the developers of the game who altered the build on saturday after saying 'there were issues with the old build'

... or maybe they were just replacing the AWESOME build with the SUPER AWESOME.
Seriously, even when i'm trumpetting for the PS3, half you arseholes make me want to hate it because your so ****ing idiotic.

i was right that i should quit and the last week when i didn't post or read gaf was bliss - every time i come to the board , you arsewipes make me WANT to hate sony more.

I still love you DCharlie.

 

[fortified_concept]

no it isn't - the friday build ran like ASS (with capital letters to YES ! emphasis how bad it was)

Obviously, i'm in the minority here as the only people who had concerns were me and the developers of the game who altered the build on saturday after saying 'there were issues with the old build'

... or maybe they were just replacing the AWESOME build with the SUPER AWESOME.
Seriously, even when i'm trumpetting for the PS3, half you arseholes make me want to hate it because your so ****ing idiotic.

i was right that i should quit and the last week when i didn't post or read gaf was bliss - every time i come to the board , you arsewipes make me WANT to hate sony more.

Still you said it looked like ASS just because of the framerate and a game does not look like ass just because of the framerate. For example I can't recall you saying that GoW looked like ass when it had framerate problems.

 

[mckmas8808]

On another note, by seeing the PS3 screens and media maybe the hype for how hard it is to program all those spus is overblown? Maybe it's easier than what was initially thought
Sure as hell looks that way to me.

you are right. This is one great reason why people's feelings have changed.

 

[kaching]

soul4ger, you're the guy who supposedly owns 30-40 PSP but only likes 2-3 of them, amirite? No offense, but as someone with such a masochistic bent for buying stuff they should know they don't really like, your opinion on the PSP and its games is as useful to most gamer as a salt lick in the middle of the desert.

 

[plagiarize]

eh... i think he might be saying that the screens make the difference look a lot smaller than he thinks the difference actually is.

but whatever. SC2 bizarrely enough looks better than SC1.

the whole DC vs PS2 comparison though, shouldn't we be comparing PS2 launch games to the stuff that was out on the DC around then? i remember that the PS2 was very much failing to show it's unquestionable technical edge over the Dreamcast back then. MGS2 doesn't really count cause by the time that came out the DC was as good as dead.

but anyhow, any huge surprises today aside, the PS3 games that are going to be around at launch do look on average better than 360 games (Gears of War being the only real exception).

i was expecting them to be pretty much indistinguishable at launch and then for the PS3 to slowly show it's strength over time (as with the DC/PS2 argument, it took half a year or more for that to become apparent) but i'm already seeing an edge in PS3 games visually.

now it just needs to drop in price and get a few more games that are my kind of thing.

 

[cheekymunky]

i was right that i should quit and the last week when i didn't post or read gaf was bliss - every time i come to the board , you arsewipes make me WANT to hate sony more.

Funny...I want to hate everyone more the more I read GAF....its lke a ****ing disease or something (maybe closer to addiction).

 

[Mooreberg]

i was right that i should quit

They have 12 step programs available for that.

 

[dark10x]

Does anyone agree? Shenmue 1 and 2 really show the strengths of the Dreamcast (as well as weaknesses). I think anyone arguing about DC's supposed superiority or competence against the PS2 would have to cite those games as examples.

Not really.

When you go back to those games today, you'll see that the textures are actually a whole lot less detailed than you might have remembered and the whole affair is very low poly. Supporting characters were straight awful looking.

I appreciate what they were trying to do with it, visually, but it was on the wrong console. I don't think PS2 would have necessarily done a much better job either. Lighting and geometric detail? Sure...but displaying so many unique textures is tough business.

I could be wrong but dude, aren't you the same guy bemoaning GC RE4's visual shittiness and praising PS2 RE4?

What?! :lol :lol

No no no, where on earth did you get that? The PS2 version of RE4 is awful looking (and sounding) next to the GC version. There really is no comparison.

 

[DCharlie]

why is this thread reading like 2000 all of a sudden? mgs2, soul calibur, dcharlie's ongoing psychodrama. PS THREE, PEOPLE

the good ole days are back huh?

i'm just up to here *points at forehead* with mongs.

I'm just hoping that me saying that motorstorm looked like ASS on friday invalidates everything good i mentioned about the PS3 (where i personally thought i was one of the more positive people coming out of TGS! ('real' not 'GAF' version).

I'm taking my Game of Show award back from Ridge and giving it to Trusty Bell (which i didn't even play, but hopefully it'll annoy more people)

Funny...I want to hate everyone more the more I read GAF....its lke a ****ing disease or something (maybe closer to addiction

disassociation perhaps? Yup, i think it's time to run whilst the going is good - just limit it to the gaf cast, i prefer it when i 'don't know anything'

 

[Brofist]

I could be wrong but dude, aren't you the same guy bemoaning GC RE4's visual shittiness and praising PS2 RE4?

and the guys now jumping down DCharlie's + DaCocoBrova's throat is totally hilarious.

stfu, you derailed this whole ****ing topic with your MGS4 looks like a high res PS2 game troll, and than capped it off with your SC looks better than MGS2 winner. We get it you don't like MGS games.

But first off you aren't the first and wont be the last to have a meltdown at the hands of the MGS series, and you certainly are not the best or most entertaining at it either. At least Doom Bringer had a certain charm to his meltdowns.

 

[scissorfight]

this thread hurts my brain

wtf just wtf

 

[mckmas8808]

no it isn't - the friday build ran like ASS (with capital letters to YES ! emphasis how bad it was)

Obviously, i'm in the minority here as the only people who had concerns were me and the developers of the game who altered the build on saturday after saying 'there were issues with the old build'

... or maybe they were just replacing the AWESOME build with the SUPER AWESOME.
Seriously, even when i'm trumpetting for the PS3, half you arseholes make me want to hate it because your so ****ing idiotic.

i was right that i should quit and the last week when i didn't post or read gaf was bliss - every time i come to the board , you arsewipes make me WANT to hate sony more.

Man hate Sony more. You know you want to. Don't blame us.


We ALL know @ GAF that the Friday build ran like ass. Blim told us that Thursday/Friday night. You are late. The Sat. build didn't though. All this proves is that you need to take a laptop to TGS next year and get on GAF while you are there.

 

[jax (old)]

the good ole days are back huh?

i'm just up to here *points at forehead* with mongs.

I'm just hoping that me saying that motorstorm looked like ASS on friday invalidates everything good i mentioned about the PS3 (where i personally thought i was one of the more positive people coming out of TGS! ('real' not 'GAF' version).

I'm taking my Game of Show award back from Ridge and giving it to Trusty Bell (which i didn't even play, but hopefully it'll annoy more people)

:lol

good post

I read your gamescience writeup and I thought it was great. Funny this forum,eh?

Let's get back to PS3.

I'm also been very pro PS3 but this thread = OMG.

 

[Outdoor Miner]

If MS had delayed the launch of the 360 by a half-year to full year, how would launch games Kameo, PGR3, and Perfect Dark Zero be looking like right now having had all that extra time for optimization? It is MS' fault for not delaying the system and having a pretty well rushed lineup of games, but that explains this 1st gen "gap" in graphics. MS launch= rushed, Sony= delayed, much more time for developers.

The most impressive PS3 "launch" titles aren't even launch titles. What do you have, RR7 and Resistance and the 3rd-party launch shovelware right now.

MGS4, DMC4, White Knight, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, FFXIII, Lair - none coming out this year, and some not even next year either. You cannot label those games PS3 1st gen while simultaneously labeling stuff like Gears of War, Mass Effect, Alan Wake, Forza 2 2nd gen stuff.

 

[SolidSnakex]

On another note, by seeing the PS3 screens and media maybe the hype for how hard it is to program all those spus is overblown? Maybe it's easier than what was initially thought
Sure as hell looks that way to me.

It's probably hard, but I think you're seeing the devs that are close to Sony and have gotten a boost because of that. Koei for example actually worked close to Sony on Fatal Inertia. It's not a co developed game or anything, but Sony helped them out as it was reported when the game was announced.

 

[jax (old)]

stfu, you derailed this whole ****ing topic with your MGS4 looks like a high res PS2 game troll, and than capped it off with your SC looks better than MGS2 winner. We get it you don't like MGS games.

But first off you aren't the first and wont be the last to have a meltdown at the hands of the MGS series, and you certainly are not the best or most entertaining at it either. At least Doom Bringer had a certain charm to his meltdowns.

um. MGS4 has issues and you crying about it doesn't magically fix it. Kthx.

 

[Kittonwy]

no it isn't - the friday build ran like ASS (with capital letters to YES ! emphasis how bad it was)

Obviously, i'm in the minority here as the only people who had concerns were me and the developers of the game who altered the build on saturday after saying 'there were issues with the old build'

... or maybe they were just replacing the AWESOME build with the SUPER AWESOME.
Seriously, even when i'm trumpetting for the PS3, half you arseholes make me want to hate it because your so ****ing idiotic.

i was right that i should quit and the last week when i didn't post or read gaf was bliss - every time i come to the board , you arsewipes make me WANT to hate sony more.

Don't hate Sony please. I wasn't giving you a hard time. T_T

 

[DCharlie]

We ALL know @ GAF that the Friday build ran like ass. Blim told us that Thursday/Friday night. You are late. The Sat. build didn't though. All this proves is that you need to take a laptop to TGS next year and get on GAF while you are there.

right - so....

how does that invalidate my opinions if you now agree that the friday build was ass?

Everyone on GAF knew it ran like ass - i said it ran like ass on friday, therefore ... everything i say is invalid?

seriously - that's some fantastic logic right there.

yes, taking a laptop to TGS so i can log on to GAF... sounds like my idea of ****ing hell.

 

[Mithos Yggdrasill]

The biggest hypocrisy this generation has to be the hardware arguement from Sony fans. For two Generations the Playstation brand was the Inferior hardware machine yet during that time they took the gameplay arguement. Sony decides it wants to be more powerful then suddenly gameplay takes a backseat to Graphics.

Its gonna take a year or two to really get an honest view of how this generation is gonna go. Sonys Millions of units lead is gonna shrink to next to nothing in the first 60-80 days of the Wii launh more then likely. Sony ill be struggling to get prodution to get going steady. As of this day Sony Still hasnt started PS3 production. It was reported for TGS they brought in Hundreds of Non Functional PS3s to appear like they were the system playing while dev units were hidden away doing the work.

Alot can happen in the next 2 years. Wii could become the next DS and well we see how the DS is doing or it could be the limited market the Gamecube was.

PS3 without a doubt will sell the first few million easily as early adopters are always the hardcore who dont care what it will cost them. Once the hardcore get them thats when Sony needs to see what happens. The Casual is not the hardcore and will not buy everything sony for the sake of spending tons of cash.

Microsoft just needs to keep getting games in development that appeal to the areas of the world its being slaughtered in and try to rebound

Well said. Agree completely.

1080p is going to be the biggest bullshit fanboi bulletpoint used over the next 1-2 years.

It hardly matters to anyone on any side of the console war, yet it'll be used to hoist up the victory flag like the ****ing Marines taking Iwo Jima.

Absolutely true.

 

[Brofist]

um. MGS4 has issues and you crying about it doesn't magically fix it. Kthx.

yeah I would agree on the issues part, but saying it's a PS2 calibur looking game is an invitation for what followed

 

[drohne]

I'm taking my Game of Show award back from Ridge and giving it to Trusty Bell

"YEAH! SUCK IT RIDGE!"

actually if i'm chopin's ghost i'm pretty irritated with the idea that i spent my dying hours dreaming about animu characters. but i'm not chopin's ghost. nice cel shading, anyway.

 

[dark10x]

yeah I would agree on the issues part, but saying it's a PS2 calibur looking game is an invitation for what followed

Oh Soul Calibur, you have forever mangled our spelling. I still make that mistake from time to time without even thinking about it.

 

[mckmas8808]

um. MGS4 has issues and you crying about it doesn't magically fix it. Kthx.

What game doesn't have issues when it's one year from release? But it doesn't look like a high res PS2 game!

 

[DCharlie]

The biggest hypocrisy this generation has to be the hardware arguement from Sony fans. For two Generations the Playstation brand was the Inferior hardware machine yet during that time they took the gameplay arguement. Sony decides it wants to be more powerful then suddenly gameplay takes a backseat to Graphics.

the biggest thing is Sony could well be in the assendancy due to having the gameplay card (in terms of support) AND the graphics card over the X360 (Wii left out for the moment) - as annoying as the trumpetting of the power edge is, it's looking like it's going to play out in sonys favour no matter which way you slice it.

But what is annoying is that it seems that _every game_ on the Ps3 has to be hyped up to the high heavens - and speaking out against any of these games is tantamount to being caught shitting on these peoples living room carpet.

actually if i'm chopin's ghost i'm pretty irritated with the idea that i spent my dying hours dreaming about animu characters. but i'm not chopin's ghost. nice cel shading, anyway.

lol - it was chopin's randy pre-bed time Lolicon doujin that caused his death! Tell the truth Namco, don't sweep it under the carpet.

 

[Ash Sparrow]

PS3 hasn't started production?

 

[ypo]

I like where this discussion is now. It turned into a PS2 vs. DC talk:lol it's a sign. Loving all the parallels.

 

[Ponn]

But what is annoying is that it seems that _every game_ on the Ps3 has to be hyped up to the high heavens - and speaking out against any of these games is tantamount to being caught shitting on these peoples living room carpet.

I don't know, I think you are just letting a couple people get to you too much right now. I could say the same thing about Nintendo fans and raising an eyebrow at overhyped Wii games but voicing my opinion, especially in Wii threads, is not worth it. Also take into consideration the absolute beating Sony fans have been getting since E3, and alot of it no more then anti-Sony people finding an opportunity to backlash and you have your mix for an explosion right now nearing launch.

 

[erlim]

Even the smallest critique on the PS3 is going to send their hardcore fans into a tizzy. The post-e3 lash, while deserving, left them absolutely nothing to be optimistic about. Now after TGS, sony fans have a glimmer of hope, and speaking otherwise seems very harsh on the tender fans.

 

[Mithos Yggdrasill]

Even the smallest critique on the PS3 is going to send their hardcore fans into a tizzy. The post-e3 lash, while deserving, left absolutely nothing to be optimistic about. Now after TGS, sony fans have a glimmer of hope, and speaking otherwise seems very harsh on the tender fans.

:lol

This is not really so false after all.

EDIT: This thread will be closed very soon...

 

[fortified_concept]

the biggest thing is Sony could well be in the assendancy due to having the gameplay card (in terms of support) AND the graphics card over the X360 (Wii left out for the moment) - as annoying as the trumpetting of the power edge is, it's looking like it's going to play out in sonys favour no matter which way you slice it.

But what is annoying is that it seems that _every game_ on the Ps3 has to be hyped up to the high heavens - and speaking out against any of these games is tantamount to being caught shitting on these peoples living room carpet.

Was Lair hyped? Was Gengi 2? Fatal Insertia? The games that are "hyped to high heavens" are the ones that deserve it. Motorstorm, White Knight, GT:HD Premium, FFXIII are some good examples from this TGS. And they do look amazing. MGS4 on the other hand that had some animation problems combined with the ugly ass very low quality trailer Konami gave us was trolled to death even though it didn't deserve it. If anything GAF is a harsh judge when it comes to PS3 games since it seems people have very high standards regarding PS3.

 

[SolidSnakex]

The biggest hypocrisy this generation has to be the hardware arguement from Sony fans. For two Generations the Playstation brand was the Inferior hardware machine yet during that time they took the gameplay arguement. Sony decides it wants to be more powerful then suddenly gameplay takes a backseat to Graphics.

It's called fanboyism. And it very much goes both ways. Notice how suddenly groups that once played up graphics now no longer do it (and in fact now try to downplay them) since their system isn't the one on top? It goes both ways.

 

[kaching]

the biggest thing is Sony could well be in the assendancy

I see what you did there.

But what is annoying is that it seems that _every game_ on the Ps3 has to be hyped up to the high heavens - and speaking out against any of these games is tantamount to being caught shitting on these peoples living room carpet.

I don't know, calling LAIR and Motorstorm "unadulterated ASS" seems to be lashing out more for the sake of pissing off Sony fans rather than attempting to realistically adjust their overexuberance with actual accurate commentary on the games. There's plenty of games that actually make it to retail with the kind of framerates that LAIR and Motorstorm have exhibited in their unfinished form, and we both know you've defended some of those and certainly didn't come anywhere near calling them unadulterated ass for it. Oblivion comes to mind.