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Sarah Palin's Yahoo! email account hacked and published

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Amir0x said:
Some with the most executive experience were awful presidents, some with the least were fantastic presidents.
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You only need to look at the last two presidents to know that executive experience isn't the end all and be all.

Amir0x said:
There simple truth I was illustrating was that nothing in the world can literally train you for president. Not even being vice president, or governor. The challenges one faces there are distinct from these positions, even if crossover occurs.
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You're right, nothing in the world can literally train a person to become president, that's why I said, "there are certainly parts that will have to be learned on the job," but you basically dismiss all experience, that's using that fact to reach an absurd conclusion. You can't just throw up your hands, saying, "nothing can prepare you" and choose the checkout person from your local grocery store. Ten years as governor beats ten years in Congress, all else being equal, the governor is going to have an easier transition into the presidency.

The thing is... not everything is equal. Policy, leadership, hell even charisma all impact a person's preference. The right response to a charge of lack of experience isn't, "experience doesn't matter," it's, "other things matter more."
 
Eric P said:
god i hope so
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She seems to have good instincts, but little knowledge. When she's off the cuff you like her response (to the extent that she has one), but when she goes back to the obviously coached talking points is when you start cringing. The fact that she's a VP pick could work in her advantage then, since it'll give her some time in office before the vultures start descending upon her as they did to shape W's blank slate.
 
APF said:
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What is it then, without looking it up?

In contrast, what is the Powell Doctrine? Again without looking it up.

Recite one of Rumsfeld's Rules, same constraint.
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Are you really trying to compare knowledge of government policies between a guy on a message board and the fucking Republican candidate for VP? Really?

What the hell would it prove if he didn't know it either? Are you implying that a woman vying for a position that is a breath away from the Presidency would be justified in not knowing the war justification policies for ongoing military conflicts because some guy on fucking NeoGAF couldn't recite it off the top of his head?
 
APF said:
She seems to have good instincts, but little knowledge. When she's off the cuff you like her response (to the extent that she has one), but when she goes back to the obviously coached talking points is when you start cringing. The fact that she's a VP pick could work in her advantage then, since it'll give her some time in office before the vultures start descending upon her as they did to shape W's blank slate.
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i just have to work past the fran drescher voice
 
Vieo said:
I am disappointed by this. I was hoping for e-mails that showed correspondence with the Illuminati.
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She gets those at her illuminati.org account, which is super secret and can't be hacked. As if anyone would believe this woman would be part of the Illuminati. :lol
 
Monroeski said:
Are you really trying to compare knowledge of government policies between a guy on a message board and the fucking Republican candidate for VP? Really?

What the hell would it prove if he didn't know it either? Are you implying that a woman vying for a position that is a breath away from the Presidency would be justified in not knowing the war justification policies for ongoing military conflicts because some guy on fucking NeoGAF couldn't recite it off the top of his head?
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I think a requirement for posting here should be reading the conversation you're interjecting in.
 
Within hours of this story posting, Ramuglia received a phone call from an FBI special agent from the Anchorage, Alaska, field office.

"Since they were dumb enough to post a full screenshot that showed most of the [Ctunnel.com] URL, I should be able to find that in my log."

"used only a single proxy service to hide his IP address."
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Thats hilarious. The Secret Service are gonna ride whoevers ass so hard and without lube he is gonna wish he voted for McCain/Palin instead.

When I got investigated by the Secret Service they visited everywhere I normally would go in my day to day. They went to my job and talked to people about me. Went to my School and talked to people about me. Went to favorite hangouts etc. Nothing was as unnerving as getting a knock on the door when it all started and seeing 2 guys who coulod have been out of Men in Black standing there.

They dont fuck around and they let everyone know why they are there
 
whitehawk said:
Daaammmn... Sucks for that one dude.. :/
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turns out he might be the son of a Tennessee democratic congressman who... if this gets linked to the obama campaign that will be the most "epic lulz" ever.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/sep/18/tennessean-state-reps-son-contacted-palin-e-mail-p/

laserbeam said:
Thats hilarious. The Secret Service are gonna ride whoevers ass so hard and without lube he is gonna wish he voted for McCain/Palin instead.

When I got investigated by the Secret Service they visited everywhere I normally would go in my day to day. They went to my job and talked to people about me. Went to my School and talked to people about me. Went to favorite hangouts etc. Nothing was as unnerving as getting a knock on the door when it all started and seeing 2 guys who coulod have been out of Men in Black standing there.

They dont fuck around and they let everyone know why they are there
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what did you do?
 
laserbeam said:
Thats hilarious. The Secret Service are gonna ride whoevers ass so hard and without lube he is gonna wish he voted for McCain/Palin instead.

When I got investigated by the Secret Service they visited everywhere I normally would go in my day to day. They went to my job and talked to people about me. Went to my School and talked to people about me. Went to favorite hangouts etc. Nothing was as unnerving as getting a knock on the door when it all started and seeing 2 guys who coulod have been out of Men in Black standing there.

They dont fuck around and they let everyone know why they are there
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Okay, I'll bite: Why the fuck was the SS asking about you?
 
ElectricBlue187 said:
Is this really illegal?

I mean how bad of a punishment could this guy really get, worst case (and more likely) scenario?
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im pretty sure gaining unauthorized access to an email server is a felony carrying a few years in pound me in the ass prison. On top of that she is a secret service protectee god knows how bad that is going to make it.
 
ElectricBlue187 said:
Is this really illegal?

I mean how bad of a punishment could this guy really get, worst case (and more likely) scenario?
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My guess is they could do 1 count for every single email illegally accessed. And my guess is they WOULD do it to discourage that in the future.
 
vas_a_morir said:
Okay, I'll bite: Why the fuck was the SS asking about you?
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Someone accused me of making threats to kill the President. So according to procedure they had to do a full blown investigation even though the report wasnt credible.
ElectricBlue187 said:
Is this really illegal?

I mean how bad of a punishment could this guy really get, worst case (and more likely) scenario?
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Hacking is covered under law Title 18: Crimes and Criminal Procedure: Part 1: Crimes: Chapter 47: Fraud and False Statements: Section 1030: Fraud and related activity in connection with computers.

Punishment can be fines and upto 20 years in Federal Prison. Very serious offense and with the Secret Service involved punishment could tip to the more severe end.
 
laserbeam said:
Someone accused me of making threats to kill the President. So according to procedure they had to do a full blown investigation even though the report wasnt credible.
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So this is why you defend Republicanism, so that people don't actually think you're trying to off Shrubby? It all becomes clear...
 
laserbeam said:
Someone accused me of making threats to kill the President. So according to procedure they had to do a full blown investigation even though the report wasnt credible.


Hacking is covered under law Title 18: Crimes and Criminal Procedure: Part 1: Crimes: Chapter 47: Fraud and False Statements: Section 1030: Fraud and related activity in connection with computers.

Punishment can be fines and upto 20 years in Federal Prison. Very serious offense and with the Secret Service involved punishment could tip to the more severe end.
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i wonder if he will rat out his dad (and the obama campaign?) if it is 20 years.
 
Xisiqomelir said:
So this is why you defend Republicanism, so that people don't actually think you're trying to off Shrubby? It all becomes clear...
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lol even though they found me innocent its something thats left on my permanent record or atleast thats what the Secret Service told me. Perfect thing to have to impress people.

Investigation into whether threatened to kill the President.
 
laserbeam said:
Thats hilarious. The Secret Service are gonna ride whoevers ass so hard and without lube he is gonna wish he voted for McCain/Palin instead.

When I got investigated by the Secret Service they visited everywhere I normally would go in my day to day. They went to my job and talked to people about me. Went to my School and talked to people about me. Went to favorite hangouts etc. Nothing was as unnerving as getting a knock on the door when it all started and seeing 2 guys who coulod have been out of Men in Black standing there.

They dont fuck around and they let everyone know why they are there
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Secret Service? I don't see why they would be involved. As far as I know, no threats have been made.

This is just script-kiddie that made the mistake of hacking a famous person. Anyone think the FBI would lift finger if your Yahoo/gmail/hotmail account was broken into?
 
speculawyer said:
Secret Service? I don't see why they would be involved. As far as I know, no threats have been made.

This is just script-kiddie that made the mistake of hacking a famous person. Anyone think the FBI would lift finger if your Yahoo/gmail/hotmail account was broken into?
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Because it's a compromise in security of a VP candidate. VP/Presidential security generally is under their purview.
 
speculawyer said:
Secret Service? I don't see why they would be involved. As far as I know, no threats have been made.

This is just script-kiddie that made the mistake of hacking a famous person. Anyone think the FBI would lift finger if your Yahoo/gmail/hotmail account was broken into?
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She is under protection of the Secret Service since she is a VP candidate. As such she gets alot of legal stuff and protections we will never see.
 
speculawyer said:
Secret Service? I don't see why they would be involved. As far as I know, no threats have been made.

This is just script-kiddie that made the mistake of hacking a famous person. Anyone think the FBI would lift finger if your Yahoo/gmail/hotmail account was broken into?
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do you think they would have been concerned if your apt was broken into instead of a campaign office at the watergate hotel?
 
minus_273 said:
do you think they would have been concerned if your apt was broken into instead of a campaign office at the watergate hotel?
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If someone found all his CP and presidential death threats scrawled in feces on the walls of his apartment they would.
 
The alleged hacker of Gov. Sarah PalinÂ’s Yahoo! email account should have taken some advice from Red Grant and every other James Bond villain: DonÂ’t brag just because you think you got away with it.

A Knoxville, Tenn, television station reported that a witness had seen the Federal Bureau of Investigation serve a federal search warrant at the residence of David Kernell, a University of Tennessee student.

The student allegedly posted on imageboard 4chan.org under the handle “rubico,” bragging about how easy it was to break into the Republican vice presidential candidate’s email account by answering Yahoo!’s “Forgot Password?” questions: her birthday, Zip Code and place where she met her husband. All were easy to find in the wave of press coverage after the Alaska governor was chosen as John McCain’s running mate.
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http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/...ent-in-palin-hacking-case/?mod=googlenews_wsj

That's why I NEVER answer those questions correctly. :lol
 
Why the hell did no-one bump this? The kid got molested by the FBI. Almost two years in prison.

FBI Investigation

FBI agents served a federal search warrant at David Kernell's apartment in Knoxville.[22] The raid was apparently orchestrated to attract media attention, taking place during a party organised by Kernell's roommates.[2] Agents spent two hours taking pictures of everything inside his apartment.

Trial Verdict

On April 30, 2010, David Kernell was found guilty on two of four counts: the felony of obstruction of justice by destruction of records and a misdemeanor of unauthorized access to a computer. The jury acquitted him of the charge of wire fraud and was deadlocked on the charge of identity theft. In response, Palin issued a press release comparing the case to Watergate.

Prosecutors promised a retrial on the identity theft charge if Kernell is successful in his attempt at receiving a new trial.[32] Kernell could be sentenced to up to 20 years in prison and given a fine of up to $500,000 for records destruction. However, federal sentencing guidelines call for a prison sentence of 15 to 21 months, and they allow for probation.

Damn.
 
Leviathan1 said:
Why the hell did no-one bump this? The kid got molested by the FBI. Almost two years in prison.

FBI Investigation

FBI agents served a federal search warrant at David Kernell's apartment in Knoxville.[22] The raid was apparently orchestrated to attract media attention, taking place during a party organised by Kernell's roommates.[2] Agents spent two hours taking pictures of everything inside his apartment.

Trial Verdict

On April 30, 2010, David Kernell was found guilty on two of four counts: the felony of obstruction of justice by destruction of records and a misdemeanor of unauthorized access to a computer. The jury acquitted him of the charge of wire fraud and was deadlocked on the charge of identity theft. In response, Palin issued a press release comparing the case to Watergate.

Prosecutors promised a retrial on the identity theft charge if Kernell is successful in his attempt at receiving a new trial.[32] Kernell could be sentenced to up to 20 years in prison and given a fine of up to $500,000 for records destruction. However, federal sentencing guidelines call for a prison sentence of 15 to 21 months, and they allow for probation.

Damn.
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I am outraged his privacy was violated, after he violated someone's privacy.
 
Leviathan1 said:
Why the hell did no-one bump this? The kid got molested by the FBI. Almost two years in prison.

FBI Investigation

FBI agents served a federal search warrant at David Kernell's apartment in Knoxville.[22] The raid was apparently orchestrated to attract media attention, taking place during a party organised by Kernell's roommates.[2] Agents spent two hours taking pictures of everything inside his apartment.

Trial Verdict

On April 30, 2010, David Kernell was found guilty on two of four counts: the felony of obstruction of justice by destruction of records and a misdemeanor of unauthorized access to a computer. The jury acquitted him of the charge of wire fraud and was deadlocked on the charge of identity theft. In response, Palin issued a press release comparing the case to Watergate.

Prosecutors promised a retrial on the identity theft charge if Kernell is successful in his attempt at receiving a new trial.[32] Kernell could be sentenced to up to 20 years in prison and given a fine of up to $500,000 for records destruction. However, federal sentencing guidelines call for a prison sentence of 15 to 21 months, and they allow for probation.

Damn.
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I don't remember where it is at the moment, but there is a transcript from the trial floating around on the internet where Moot (Chris Poole) the founder of 4chan is on the witness stand. Some of it is pretty funny.
 
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