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Satanic prayer opens Pensacola city council meeting, meeting turns "chaotic"

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NinjaMouse

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Wow...I totally forgot what it was like to live in (near?) the Bible Belt. That dude's troll level is pretty high and it was glorious.
 
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Principate

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SolarMystic said:
Satan worshipers seem much more reasonable than their christian counterparts.

This whole thing was hilarious to me though.
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Occultism is no joke, when you have to deal with kidnapping rape and murder for the sake of cutting up, harvesting and selling human body parts and it's very rampart you probably wouldn't make those statements. Now I doubt anyone that directly worships satan or satanists within western culture do that shit because the concept bit to outlandish and on the nose, but in third world countries you will find people that aren't far from it. I've seen national public service announcements constantly warning people about this shit, that's how serious and widespread it id in some places. A lot of people will probably be unaware, but there can always be worse, always.
 
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HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Principate said:
Occultism is no joke, when you have to deal with kidnapping rape and murder for the sake of cutting up, harvesting and selling human body parts and it's very rampart you probably wouldn't make those statements. Now I doubt anyone that directly worships satan or satanists within western culture do that shit because the concept bit to outlandish and on the nose, but in third world countries you will find people that aren't far from it. I've seen national public service announcements constantly warning people about this shit, that's how serious and widespread it id in some places. A lot of people will probably be unaware, but there can always be worse, always.
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I'm not sure if this post is serious or not...
 
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oti

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Mr. Suhor’s attempts to deliver the invocation in a hooded black robe were repeatedly disrupted by protesters, including some who stood up and tried to drone out his address with the Lord’s Prayer.
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It's like a Pokémon fight.
 
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SolarMystic

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Principate said:
Occultism is no joke, when you have to deal with kidnapping rape and murder for the sake of cutting up, harvesting and selling human body parts and it's very rampart you probably wouldn't make those statements. Now I doubt anyone that directly worships satan or satanists within western culture do that shit because the concept bit to outlandish and on the nose, but in third world countries you will find people that aren't far from it. I've seen national public service announcements constantly warning people about this shit, that's how serious and widespread it id in some places. A lot of people will probably be unaware, but there can always be worse, always.
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I was directly referring to these people from the news story.
 
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Obscura

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Imm0rt4l said:
I don't think satanists even believe in satan. I think they just view him in the Paradise Lost sense, going against a tyrannical God . Satanists are basically atheist.
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LaVayan Satanists don't believe in a personal Satan. Theistic Satanists are a more recent version and certainly do. I assume this guy is the former though.
 
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Jacob

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bman94 said:
Lmao, no matter what angle you look at this, the situation was going to be bad by letting a Satanic Prayer start off a meeting.

Dude would probably had a breakdown at the University I went to, we literally start every event with a prayer.
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I assume it's a private university? If that's the case it's not at all the same issue.
 
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Ragnar Blackmane

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EGM1966 said:
As an atheist (more or less) I'm surprised to find the satanist was so reasonable. Who knew? Not me it seems.

Also this was rather amusing.
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So much this. It's fun how intolerant people get in the land of the free when someone does something that they consider to be against their own religion.

That guy was also extremely reasonable in his closing statement.

Heck... something like this should happen much more often. LaVayan Satanism sounds pretty cool after reading about it.
 
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Eudaemonium

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Acerac said:
I'm kind of shocked that freedom of religion is a thing the US hasn't tried to be rid of yet. I guess if most religions other than Christianity are easy enough to ignore there is no reason to try and prohibit them.
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Well, the whole freedom of religion thing in the US grew out of an uneasy coalition of deistic humanist types and Protestant evangelicals. It might seem strange to us today, but the point (for the evangelicals) was that it meant the government didn't end up endorsing a particular denomination of Protestant Christianity and repressing the others. It was basically "freedom of (Christian) religion." Like a lot of religious tolerance legislation, it arose to mediate tensions between Protestant Christian groups, rather than between Protestant Christianity and other religious faiths. There obviously wasn't much tolerance for Native spiritual practices, or Mormonism, or Catholics, etc, which were usually coded by Protestants as Satanic, and thus "not-religion."

With the exception of some theistic strands, most modern Satanism is a highly ritualistic form of secular humanism, designed at least in part as a parody of Christianity. It has a bit of a history pre-LaVey, stretching back to the Romantics, Decadents, Gothics, and a variety of anarchist, socialist and "proto-feminist" (women's liberation) groups in 19th Century Europe (mostly in intellectual elite circles), who were mostly working with a post-Miltonic idea of Satan as rebel against tyranny. Sociologically, symbolic Satanisms are rather fascinating, because to really be politically effective they require Christianity to be still culturally pervasive but also weak enough to not outright endanger the lives of its adherents (on a systemic, as opposed to personal level). Hence, its major bastion today is the US, where Satanists get freedom of religion protection but Christianity is culturally dominant enough for it to still be politically and symbolically effective.
 
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MMarston said:
Guess who popped up afterwards?
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Samus?
 
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Dali

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The news story said the council pondered what he suggested about a moment of silence to start council meetings where you could pray, or not, in your own way but they rejected it looking for other options.

Wtf kinda dumb fucks are we dealing with? Perfect solution offered. Rejected because they want to fucking continue to alienate other people.
 
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Arkeband

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Dali said:
The news story said the council pondered what he suggested about a moment of silence to start council meetings where you could pray, or not, in your own way but they rejected it looking for other options.

Wtf kinda dumb fucks are we dealing with? Perfect solution offered. Rejected because they want to fucking continue to alienate other people.
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The real question everyone's afraid to ask is, "Why the fuck are we praying at council meetings?"
 
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truly101

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jetsetnickradio said:
This is great! I live less than an hour away from Pensacola and this entire area is suffocatingly conservative Christian.

These buffoons shouldn't be opening their council meetings with prayer, period. But if they insist, they better be prepared and willing to let members of any other religion or belief freely practice as well.
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My dad is originally from there so I've been there several times over my life. Historically they are a largely Catholic city, but over the past couple of decades, the hard core bible thumping, short sleeve and tie wearing, manic street preaching fundies are really entrenched there.

On a whole, these people would benefit from a big helping of self awareness.
 
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Cels

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Hypocrites. The US has come a long way with racial politics (even though it's still shit, look no further than the past week) but I think somewhat ignored is religious acceptance in this country. I guarantee that if Hillary or trump came out today and said I'm converting to Islam or said I no longer believe in God they would lose the election instantly. Obviously there are some fringe/kooky religions out there but if they don't advocate oppression or hate I don't see how they are any worse than Christianity. The fact remains though in order to be an electable presidential candidate in this country you probably have to believe in the right religion, or else you will be suspect in many voters' minds. Happened with JFK and Catholicism, and with Romney and his Mormon faith.
 
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Dai101

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Principate said:
Occultism is no joke, when you have to deal with kidnapping rape and murder for the sake of cutting up, harvesting and selling human body parts and it's very rampart you probably wouldn't make those statements. Now I doubt anyone that directly worships satan or satanists within western culture do that shit because the concept bit to outlandish and on the nose, but in third world countries you will find people that aren't far from it. I've seen national public service announcements constantly warning people about this shit, that's how serious and widespread it id in some places. A lot of people will probably be unaware, but there can always be worse, always.
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Don't know is serious or .....

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Mass Effect

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Eudaemonium said:
Well, the whole freedom of religion thing in the US grew out of an uneasy coalition of deistic humanist types and Protestant evangelicals. It might seem strange to us today, but the point (for the evangelicals) was that it meant the government didn't end up endorsing a particular denomination of Protestant Christianity and repressing the others. It was basically "freedom of (Christian) religion." Like a lot of religious tolerance legislation, it arose to mediate tensions between Protestant Christian groups, rather than between Protestant Christianity and other religious faiths. There obviously wasn't much tolerance for Native spiritual practices, or Mormonism, or Catholics, etc, which were usually coded by Protestants as Satanic, and thus "not-religion."
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And if anyone is wondering why this solely pertains to Protestantism, it's because of the religious persecution many protest groups faced in Europe, which was a main driver of people coming to America (Puritans, Calvinists, Quakers, etc.) Given that so many (protestant) people fled to America from Europe to escape such persecution, and several notable colonists advocating for religious (protestant) tolerance (Roger Williams for example) in the past, it makes sense that the Founding Fathers didn't want to repeat the same mistakes when trying to establish a new country.

(might as well have one useful post in this thread).
 
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