Well duh? You're the one saying it's not the 00s anymore and now you're comparing sales to a game that was out 10 years ago?
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Should Sony Release PS4 Exclusives on the PC 3 to 4 Years After Release?
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Well duh? You're the one saying it's not the 00s anymore and now you're comparing sales to a game that was out 10 years ago?
Haha, forgot about that... Cheers for reminding me in time for the Steam Sales.
Well, the fact that there's more consumers means the "lost-sales-to-piracy" argument is apples to oranges.
Port begging is going into a thread about a game that was announced for platform X and asking for it to be released on platform Y. Nothing in this thread is port begging.
Obscuritas
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"Sounds"?
Nightengale
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Should "all companies" release "all exclusives" on "all platforms" "X-X" years after release?
Uh huh.
Uh huh.
unapersson
Member
If there was an open gaming platform that guaranteed free access going forward then it'd be great, but we normally get ports based on closed APIs that force people to use a specific OS, a specific version of that OS or even a specific store on that OS.
Freeman
Banned
What I think Sony could do is have a PC Storefront for third-party games with cross-buy with PS4. Get a foothold on PC, make some money. Publish only the games that make sense (maybe VR games or the rare game they sometimes publish on PC). Maybe add some strategy games to their portfolio.
Its a way to cater for owners of both a PC and PS4 while also making some extra money from them.
No disadvantage I can seen, other than possibly making it easy for people to eventually change to PC but it also works the other way around.
Now the only reasons to release you exclusives is if your platform just failed and is unsustainable.
But as of right now, if I'm not incorrect you can't pirate PS4 games.
Its a way to cater for owners of both a PC and PS4 while also making some extra money from them.
No disadvantage I can seen, other than possibly making it easy for people to eventually change to PC but it also works the other way around.
Now the only reasons to release you exclusives is if your platform just failed and is unsustainable.
That is true. Not that it matters in this case.
But as of right now, if I'm not incorrect you can't pirate PS4 games.
biglittleps
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Not instantly, but slowly in the long term as many already know that PS exclusives will eventually come to PC and they wont buy their games from console unless its 90+ which will also slowly decrease. Many people here in gaf owns PS4 only for exclusives and if they think we can play them in future then will not buy PS4 thinking to play their exclusives. Also everyone will start to doubt their exclusivity which can create confusion and make people think that every game will come to PC sooner or later so they can wait.
InquisitorAles
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So what? I didn't say that piracy on PC didn't exists, i said that's not a problem because it's not hurting sales. People who pirating games never intended to buy this game, but there is a lot people who buying games on PC because Steam and GOG provided good services to their customers.
I bought a PS4 because of the Bloodobrne announcement, them actually having 1st party studios and not constantly buying timed exclusives was another big + for me to make my decision to switch from 360. So i'll say it still does a hell of a lot.
Can Crusher
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I don't see the point for Sony. Same for Nintendo. MS is different for obvious reasons.
You can look up my PSN tag, its the same as my GAF. I've got several PS exclusives. I'm still working towards my platinum in Bloodborne... got side tracked by Downwell. I just know I would repurchase something like Bloodborne on the PC many years after release to bump up the FPS to crazy levels, add in some silly mods and such.
Jonneh3003
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I'm sorry but I have to disagree, everything you listed is a perk and not something you buy a platform for, price may be the exception, people buy system to play a handful of games they have in mind. They then evaluate which system they want by looking at their exclusive games.
Most people on PC buy them when they're dirt cheap.
The common mentality among Steam users is along the lines of "I'll pick it up when it's on sale" rather than "I'm buying it Day 1"
Kilau
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I think if Sony felt this was a viable way to make money they would have done this already. They have talked about games as a service for awhile now so I don't think it's just them being stubborn or having failed to realize this idea is so great.
The reason MS is doing this is because they have a unique position with Windows 10 and their whole reason for bringing their exclusives to Windows is to get PC gamers into the Xbox ecosystem.
The reason MS is doing this is because they have a unique position with Windows 10 and their whole reason for bringing their exclusives to Windows is to get PC gamers into the Xbox ecosystem.
CheesecakeRecipe
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These tweets and this article went up a few days after the game was made available for sale, and is hardly representative of, well, anything.
If we take the current Steamspy numbers into account, The Witness has earned a little over $4 million from the PC version alone, and it's not even a year old. I'd say it's doing fine!
On the subject of if Sony should release their exclusives on PC - They're already allowing former (third party) exclusives go, like Helldivers and Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, but it's far from the norm. It's not impossible, but I wouldn't count on it.
orthodoxy1095
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*citation needed*
PC sales of big games are routinely comparable to console so long as the port is decent and it's available on day one. Look at MGS5 and Dark Souls 3.
neurosyphilis
Definitely not an STD, as I'm a pure.
Why won't people understand that Sony will never ever never ever put their exclusives on anything but a PlayStation ? The PlayStation brand is keeping Sony alive. The PlayStation brand is probably the most important brand in the gaming world, Sony isn't going to jeopardize that.
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Calm Mind
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tbf most people who buy their consoles don't value their exclusives.
Major flaw with this? Can you play PS3 games on your PS4? Can you play PS2 games on your PS4? Will you be able to play PS4 games on your PS5 (probably not)?
I can see the line-of-reasoning that PS exclusives should stay exclusive during the life of the console - I don't agree with it, but it's fair. But, let's take Demon's Souls. Who here is going to buy a new PS3 and new copy of Demon's Souls? So why not release on PC, and get a new audience and extra revenue?
(btw, not port-begging Demon's Souls, just using it as an example.
)capylikesgames
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They should, but it wouldn't be a smart decision on their part. I'm all up for every game to hit PC eventually due to the platform's flexibility, but at the same time those consoles need a reason to be bought. No long term exclusives? No reason to ever touch the console.
...and start a battle with Steam? I am not saying that Steam should dominate PC market, but Sony has a good thing going. Fighting Steam isn't part of that good thing.
Fredrik
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Sony still had exclusives. Without exclusives and with better multiplats elsewhere, why would it keep selling as well?
privitsan02
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A lot of port begging going on right now. Plus I'm sure Sony doesn't want to hear what a lot have said about not needing an Xbox One now that their games are on PC as well. 3-4 years after release seems pointless if they don't dedicate any publishing or marketing for the re-releases, which is an expense as well. This is assuming you mean just throwing them out for no particular reason.
That being said as a consumer it doesn't affect me. I'll still be buying their games on PS4 and potentially PS5 as PlayStation is my platform of choice for gaming. So from that perspective I say go for it.
Best wishes.
That being said as a consumer it doesn't affect me. I'll still be buying their games on PS4 and potentially PS5 as PlayStation is my platform of choice for gaming. So from that perspective I say go for it.
Best wishes.
Infernostew
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Can we stop with the "everything should be on PC" port begging threads?
Jonneh3003
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When people have nothing to argue so call valid comments anti consumer.
orthodoxy1095
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It sounds good to say.
Totally ignores the reality of the business side of this idea which in turn would affect the game development side which in turn would have a negative impact on consumers, but heyho, let's ignore that!
It's not a bad idea in some respects.
The reason to do it...from a platform point of view I suppose the point is if they can make someone fall in love with a franchise or franchises by playing the games on PC, and if that person values immediacy, it may become attractive to that person to buy a PS4 to buy the next game in that franchise as soon as it becomes available rather than waiting the 2 or 3 years for it to arrive on the 'PC outreach' programme. If that user does buy into Sony's system for more immediate access to Sony's content, then that's a new user that is now more invested in Sony's ecosystem, and Sony has a chance to attract more of their content dollars.
However Sony has a more likely vehicle for this kind of outreach - PS Now. I kind of thought at E3 that they'd announce the next phase for PS Now's roll out, including the beginnings of PS4 content.
The reason to do it...from a platform point of view I suppose the point is if they can make someone fall in love with a franchise or franchises by playing the games on PC, and if that person values immediacy, it may become attractive to that person to buy a PS4 to buy the next game in that franchise as soon as it becomes available rather than waiting the 2 or 3 years for it to arrive on the 'PC outreach' programme. If that user does buy into Sony's system for more immediate access to Sony's content, then that's a new user that is now more invested in Sony's ecosystem, and Sony has a chance to attract more of their content dollars.
However Sony has a more likely vehicle for this kind of outreach - PS Now. I kind of thought at E3 that they'd announce the next phase for PS Now's roll out, including the beginnings of PS4 content.
InquisitorAles
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You saying this like console owners buying all games Day 1 at full price, your statement is hyperbole. And you forgetting about people who buying retail console games and then trading them back to stores. Should we consider that this mentality somehow hurting sales?
FF Seraphim
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The only reason I buy Playstation Consoles are for the exclusives and I am sure many others do the same. They would be hurting themselves if people knew their exclusive games were going to be released down the line on PC.
blazeuk
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From a consumer point of view it'd be great if they actually released them sooner than even 3-4 years but they clearly won't because it sells their platform which provides their main source of revenue. MS are going in the direction of believing both console and PC markets should crossover which is fantastic for us but I suppose it's easier for them to make that call since they want to encourage use of their own store on Windows.
Calm Mind
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Possibly
Major flaw with this? Can you play PS3 games on your PS4? Can you play PS2 games on your PS4? Will you be able to play PS4 games on your PS5 (probably not)?
I can see the line-of-reasoning that PS exclusives should stay exclusive during the life of the console - I don't agree with it, but it's fair. But, let's take Demon's Souls. Who here is going to be a new PS3 and new copy of Demon's Souls? So why not release on PC, and get a new audience and extra revenue?
(btw, not port-begging Demon's Souls, just using it as an example.
This was my thinking. Maybe I should have mentioned after the generation it was released in is over or a larger gap in time. I would love to play Demon Souls on my PS3 and I'm not sure Sony will rerelease it at this point. Who knows I'd love if they did but releasing in on the PC could net them a whole slew of sales.
privitsan02
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There are far more anti-consumer elements in the gaming industry than just exclusives.
Ninja Scooter
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People don't seem to understand how different Sony and MS' business interests are despite the fact that they are competing in the home console space. "One does it so the other should too!" is a really shallow way of looking at things. Sony doesn't have a PC ecosystem they are trying to keep people in. People who talk about these kinds of business dealings being "anti consumer" sound like they are 13.
Kilau
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Well maybe you can...on PS6 Neo.
This is a biggie for me. If I'm buying consoles and console games and outside of WiiU and 3ds, I go used.
Edit: I don't think the majority of console gamers would ever play on anything but their chosen consoles because that's what they like.
Really, cause it seems like that's the entire point of the thread
Pantaghana
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There are people in this thread saying "Just buy them second hand years down the line" which brings no revenue, buying at 75% off alteast earns some money.
And that's ignoring the many titles that sold great on PC on Day 1.
Except that people do. It is very common at the end of the console lifecycle. Not all consumers share your preferences.
OP: Even if Sony found your reasons compelling (which they most likely won't for the reasons laid out in this thread) they would still need to pay a developer to port the game to PC. There's no way they could get away with selling the port of a 4 year old game at full price so they'd have to believe that the amount of sales would justify the cost of the port. That alone would be the death knell of this idea.
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