SlaughterX said:Lol @ this thread, I think I will buy this game right now!
...and people have a right to boycott anti-gay marriage institutions.TheExodu5 said:Pretty much.
And as much as I disagree with their viewpoint, the anti-gay marriage lobbyists do have a right to campaign. You live in a democratic country, better get used to it.
(note: I'm in Canada, so this doesn't really effect me regardless)
seat said:Depends on how much the propaganda is shoved down your throat. I'm playing the game now and have yet to witness any ideas that are more controversial than the majority of popular games. Nothing about homosexuality.
duckroll said:Discussed this with Dragona, I'm reopening the thread for discussion, but I'll like to state that the discussion should be corrected to indicate the actual background of the "Empire" series and it's origins. As well as Chair Entertainment's relationship with Card and how it reflects on their ideology.
By his own admission, Card didn't have a lot to do with the day-to-day of the game itself: it's is set in the same universe as his novel Empire and uses a few of the same characters, and takes place before the events of the book.
Yeah, pretty much.Dragona Akehi said:While I realise that Card wrote the novels because Chair Entertainment asked him to, I personally am not going to be purchasing Shadow Complex. If I knew that the person I licenced my world to in order to have him write novels for me essentially funded Prop 8, I'd be hightailing it out of there and cutting any ties with him.
Psychotext said:I keep my gaming and my political / personal opinions separate. Therefore this kind of thing doesn't get in the way of me playing an excellent game.
KuwabaraTheMan said:Card may have beliefs that I don't personally agree with, but he's probably one of the best authors of the past 50 years. You need to be able to find a separation between the artist and the art.
ShockingAlberto said:I doubt it reflects Chair's ideology at all. While they probably were not unaware of Chair's views and rants, but he is also a popular author among a certain set of people.
If I knew, for example, a klan member was working on a game, I probably wouldn't buy it. But that's just me, not everyone has those same principles.
You are, in a very direct way, giving him the money he uses to fund his agenda, though.Visualante said:This guy is going to say and do whatever he wants, irrespective of whether you buy this game. You're not furthering his platform for hate in any tangible way. As such I say you shouldn't feel guilty for buying the game.
Well said.TheExodu5 said:Those are his views. Just because he doesn't share the same views on gay marriages as I do, does not mean he does not deserve to earn a living. He's not making his money off Shadow Complex for his anti gay-marriage stance.
I was under the impression the Chair Entertainment principle figures were also Mormon. The Chair folks and Card are ongoing collaborators, I do not believe this is a case of Chair already existing with their concept and then going out there and soliciting Card to write a book. The whole property was co-conceived between them.ShockingAlberto said:I doubt it reflects Chair's ideology at all. While they probably were not unaware of Chair's views and rants, but he is also a popular author among a certain set of people.
Choosing to not play a game isn't "punishing" somebody. Are you "punishing" the developers of every game you don't buy? If he has the right to his opinion (which he obviously does), you have just as much right not to give him money.Natakuu said:Why would you punish all the people who worked hard on the project simply because of that? Yes, his stance on the matter as well as the horrible things he said are wrong, but don't punish all the other people for that. Whether we like it or not he has the right to his opinion, as long as it doesn't cross the line and become a matter for the law.. Simply put, as you said he had little to do with the game, using this as a way to get to him will be ineffective. That's just how I see it I guess, if you feel more comfortable not supporting him then I can understand, this just doesn't seem like the best way to do so.
Typical.Costanza said:oh come the fuck on
I don't have a 360 so there isn't much to boycott. That said this is an interesting dilemma.Dragona Akehi said:While I realise that Card wrote the novels because Chair Entertainment asked him to, I personally am not going to be purchasing Shadow Complex. If I knew that the person I licenced my world to in order to have him write novels for me essentially funded Prop 8, I'd be hightailing it out of there and cutting any ties with him.
Coin Return said:What's up with the influx of crazy assholes on GAF?
webrunner said:It's weird, Empire is supposed to be about evil Liberals..
But the bad guys in Shadow Complex seem to be larely radical right-wingers to the point of basically being Nazis with facemasks.
Chris Remo said:I was under the impression the Chair Entertainment principle figures were also Mormon. The Chair folks and Card are ongoing collaborators, I do not believe this is a case of Chair already existing with their concept and then going out there and soliciting Card to write a book. The whole property was co-conceived between them.
Anyway, to the people acting as if it's totally preposterous that somebody wouldn't buy something whose policies they find abhorrent--and whose published work in the exact same universe alludes to those views--can you not at least imagine somebody who finds a certain issue, like gay marriage, to be an extremely important one, and wouldn't want to support a person who publicly (as opposed to privately, which can certainly be a distinction) espouses derogatory opinions and is in a position where his thoughts on the matter are frequently solicited and distributed widely?
Surely you can imagine a scenario where you wouldn't want to support somebody for their policies. It might not be this issue, and that's completely fine, but the idea that no matter what somebody does, you'd never take it into account is kind of strange to me.
Choosing to not play a game isn't "punishing" somebody. Are you "punishing" the developers of every game you don't buy? If he has the right to his opinion (which he obviously does), you have just as much right not to give him money.
This can be very hard not to do. Especially when money is involved.Lagunamov said:Don't judge a picture by its painter.