Drinky Crow
Banned
Kosma said:hey drinky where were your shoes made?
thought about the children making them?
in no way did the makers of my shoes support proposition 8, i am glad to say.
Kosma said:hey drinky where were your shoes made?
thought about the children making them?
ShockingAlberto said:Really?
So the product is entirely separate from the creators? Really?
lawblob said:This is such a stupid argument. While we're at it, Al Gore isn't allowed to speak at a climate change conference because he will fly there, which wastes energy..
Drinky Crow said:in no way did the makers of my shoes support proposition 8, i am glad to say.
It's not your problem, the problem is for Card and you're doing well when you pay for this great game.MvmntInGrn said:This can be very hard not to do. Especially when money is involved.
I bet they made the tie that Card wore to an anti-gay rally.Drinky Crow said:in no way did the makers of my shoes support proposition 8, i am glad to say.
He's a board member of the National Organization for Marriage (NOM).Yeef said:More importantly, has Card actually spent any of his money to hamper gay marriage and other issues, or is he just a man with an opinion? If he's not actually fighting it and just an outspoken critic I'd see no reason for a boycott.
joelseph said:What the fuck is wrong with you people?
joelseph said:What the fuck is wrong with you people?
elrechazao said:You should demand in writing from every piece of entertainment you are considering a purchase of, the complete and full voting record and political views of everyone who worked on the game in order to only play ideologically pure products.
"Japan" doesn't make games. People make games. If I were to realize that a particular Japanese designer was constantly publishing lengthy pieces of writing vigorously attacking people and choices in a way that I find personally morally offensive, yes maybe I'd stop buying his games.SirPenguin said:Do you have any idea how racist Japan is? It's so bad that even members of the UN have said, "Wow, Japan, that's pretty fucked up." Are you going to boycott Sony or Nintendo?
You're just deciding the opinions of the Chair team? The principle founders of the company are Mormon, they're buddies with Card, they're located in Provo, Utah. I'm not saying they're all homophobes. I have no idea how many of them are. Are you saying if somebody were to do a study and determine every employee of that studio is a homophobe, then it would be cool to boycott? That's hilarious if so. It's not too difficult to find and read Card's widely-published opinions on things, and he was a direct contributor to this game. That's absolutely reason enough for somebody not to buy it. There are many other people for whom it's no factor at all. That's fine.No, of course not, and for a few reasons. Firstly, it'd be batshit insane to do that, just like boycotting Shadow Complex would be. But secondly, even if you WERE trying to make a statement, it'd utterly fail given that not ALL of Japan is racist, so what's the point of boycotting products from there? Likewise, obviously Shadow Complex was made up of many individuals, some (most?) of which are not homophobic. So what's the point?
No. It's exercising the very freedom we enjoy. We have the freedom to support or not support with our dollars whoever we wish.See, here's the cool thing about "freedom", and it's something people forget sometimes. People are free to be anti-something to your pro-something. To boycott a game simply because he doesn't believe in what you do goes against the very freedom people are constantly fighting for.
ShockingAlberto said:He spent a lot of time and money actively campaigning for Prop 8, donating to the cause, and threatening to overthrow the government (what he insists is "the right of revolution") if gay marriage was upheld in California.
Okay, so he's insane and has some influence. In that case I can definitely understand why some people might want to avoid giving him any of their money.Coins said:Card gave a huge effort to see that the gay marriage vote went the way it did in California. He sits on a board of a group called the National Organization for Marriage which is basically a group that forms strategies on how to keep marriage for heteros only. He posted this on his blog.How long before married people answer the dictators thus: Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down, so it can be replaced with a government that will respect and support marriage, and help me raise my children in a society where they will expect to marry in their turn.
Good for you, good for youDrinky Crow said:in no way did the makers of my shoes support proposition 8, i am glad to say.
Kosma said:hey drinky where were your shoes made?
thought about the children making them?
Cat in the Hat said:Good for you, good for you
slasher_thrasher21 said:If you boycott this for these very reasons, you might as well boycott everything in your entire life because I'm sure that import car you bought funded China, which somehow funded North Korea. (of course I'm being facetious) Or that game you bought was made in mexico and is somehow funding the drug cartels, I mean really people. If you live your life by principles such as these, you might as well just build a farm out in the middle of nowhere and harvest your own food, clothing, entertainment, or whatever because no matter what you buy, in the end it probably supports something your against.
EmCeeGramr said:To people like Card, liberals are Nazis.
Yeef said:Okay, so he's insane and has some influence. In that case I can definitely understand why some people might want to avoid giving him any of their money.
FlyinJ said:It should be noted that Chair Entertainment is based in Provo, Utah.
squicken said:I had no idea the Mormons were the reason Prop 8 passed. I need to read the OT more I guess.
I've actually often thought this. But of course only if he flies a personal jet. If he flies on normal airlines with everyone else, the plane was going to be flying anyway.lawblob said:This is such a stupid argument. While we're at it, Al Gore isn't allowed to speak at a climate change conference because he will fly there, which wastes energy..
Adam Prime said:After reading this whole thread, this post says it all...
"He's going to use his money to deny gay people their rights".
Well, jeesh, that's not fair because I'm sure there are NO gay supporters who make lots of money from some sort of media (video games, movies, books) and use THEIR money and influence to try and push support for gay rights!
squicken said:I had no idea the Mormons were the reason Prop 8 passed. I need to read the OT more I guess.
Leondexter said:No, liberals are generally accused of being communists/socialists. Conservatives are the ones who get called Nazis. It's just a matter of exaggerating the respective viewpoints. You shouldn't mix them up.
Honest to God, I just dismissed the game based on the title alone. I really thank the OP for pointing it out. I don't know how this slipped under my radar.EmCeeGramr said:Everyone in this thread saying they want to buy the game even more, because the creator of the world and writer is a homophobe who works to deprive others of human rights, has severe maturity issues.
I hate this agrument. Not every ethical situation means the same to everyone.slasher_thrasher21 said:If you boycott this for these very reasons, you might as well boycott everything in your entire life because I'm sure that import car you bought funded China, which somehow funded North Korea. (of course I'm being facetious) Or that game you bought was made in mexico and is somehow funding the drug cartels, I mean really people. If you live your life by principles such as these, you might as well just build a farm out in the middle of nowhere and harvest your own food, clothing, entertainment, or whatever because no matter what you buy, in the end it probably supports something your against.
You're clearly better than those who you just targeted.DevelopmentArrested said:Card is just an ignorant, delusional religious retard.
The game really has nothing to do with him. (especially since I skip all cutscenes)
slasher_thrasher21 said:If you boycott this for these very reasons, you might as well boycott everything in your entire life because I'm sure that import car you bought funded China, which somehow funded North Korea. (of course I'm being facetious) Or that game you bought was made in mexico and is somehow funding the drug cartels, I mean really people. If you live your life by principles such as these, you might as well just build a farm out in the middle of nowhere and harvest your own food, clothing, entertainment, or whatever because no matter what you buy, in the end it probably supports something your against.
thumbsupsolider.gifYuriLowell said:This thread made me want to buy the game more.
We all choose our battles.Kosma said:I hope the people not buying this also check in which countries their clothes are made and in what conditions, same for electronics etc.
I mean if you pretend to be some consumer with a consience then do it right.
Otherwise it reeks of hypocrisy.
sillymonkey321 said:This is my general thinking. Pretty much everything you buy has been made on cheap foreign labor/child labor or has gotten some jerk rich.
Now this debate would be ENTIRELY different if Shadow Complex was made soley by OSC and he was using the profits to eliminate the gay population, but that's not the case.
WTF??? Are you stupid?Coins said:Shadow Complex is a 360 Live game that was released to VERY good reviews this week. Its a Metroid Style game brought up to speed with this generations graphics.
However, its set in an Orson Scott Card's world he wrote. Now he has self admitted he didnt have much to do with this game, but, he will be getting profits for the game
Now why should we boycott it? Card is a notorious homophobe.
Crazy Rants from Card
More Crazy Rants from Card
Should we buy this game?
Gaygamer article on this.