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Silent Hill HD Collection |OT| Programmed in Smoke Signals
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Combichristoffersen
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Tomm gets a lot of unwarranted hate on GAF. I don't blame him for Konami's incompetence. Hell, I honestly feel bad for the guy, as I'm sure he does the best he can with the resources (read: shoestring and old bubblegum wrappers) Konami are allocating for the SH franchise.
Looks like Konami can't let EA and Ubi get all the hate... Well played Konami. Awesome way to stick it to your customers. That'll teach 'em to pay you money and expect a basic level of quality. Suckers.
Melchiah
Member
I mean yah, fuck him, it's not like the guy who originally localized it agreed that the changes were for the better or anyt-
Oh shit he did...the hell are you whining about again?
Mr. Enigma
Member
They could have at least changed the fucking subtitles to reflect the changes.
The changes didn't need to be made anyways. They were strictly pointless and masturbatory. Blaustein probably agreed to it because he doesn't work on SH anymore and likely doesn't give a shit. It's easier to tell an idiot "sure" because it'll make them go away faster.
Typographenia
Member
You are only allowed to hate Tomm, regardless of anything he has ever done or will do. Didn't you get the memo?
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
I thought they changed the voices because the agreements they made with the SH2 cast (and probably the SH3 cast too) were really shaky and they were afraid of using them again.
Coolbgdog12
Member
Idk what this thread has been talking about but I just got this game as a gift. I played it for 20 minutes and I'm already feeling like I don't want it. Meh.
Typographenia
Member
I believe he was referring to the couple of lines changed in the original script.
In regards to the voices-
Obviously, this is one specific viewpoint of the issue, but yeah.
I'm fairly certain the idea to do new voices was before the Guy Cihi stuff became public, so I don't know if that's entirely accurate. However, I don't know when Konami initially contacted the original cast in regards to using the VO again.
edit: censored out a possible spoiler.
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
the reason for SH3 not getting original VO's was because they "couldn't locate" heather's voice actor and didn't one of them die or something?
i think basically they knew they couldn't get everyone's consent, and the ones they COULD get a hold of probably (in their eyes) didn't care too much about it. so they defaulted to not even trying to get original VO consent from anyone at all. that's how it's been explained to me at some point. i think via online interviews with various people and guy.
edit: but yeah, i completely agree with the idea that they never intended to do original VO's in the first place. or at least not with SH3.
i think basically they knew they couldn't get everyone's consent, and the ones they COULD get a hold of probably (in their eyes) didn't care too much about it. so they defaulted to not even trying to get original VO consent from anyone at all. that's how it's been explained to me at some point. i think via online interviews with various people and guy.
edit: but yeah, i completely agree with the idea that they never intended to do original VO's in the first place. or at least not with SH3.
Typographenia
Member
There are pretty much four different reasons I've heard for why things were the way they were.
1. Guy Cihi debacle
2. Couldn't find the voice cast
3. Original audio wasn't in the right format
4. New VO for the HD version just because
I think it's honestly a case of "pick whatever makes you feel best."
1. Guy Cihi debacle
2. Couldn't find the voice cast
3. Original audio wasn't in the right format
4. New VO for the HD version just because
I think it's honestly a case of "pick whatever makes you feel best."
Mr. Enigma
Member
From Guy Cihi on Facebook:
Cihi also hinted that the entire original VO work for SH3 was missing from Konami's archives, saying that even if they had located Heather Morris in time, it wouldn't have been in there.
Cihi also hinted that the entire original VO work for SH3 was missing from Konami's archives, saying that even if they had located Heather Morris in time, it wouldn't have been in there.
TheDrowningMan
Member
The developer could have reverse engineered the fucking thing. Ever wondered why Bluepoint are by far and away the best at these HD remasters?
I can't believe they decided to develop this from beta code. Amateur hour.
Typographenia
Member
Is that a common thing for devs to do? I can't say I remember ever hearing of something like that happening before.
Mr. Enigma
Member
The best part of the 1UP.Com article is Tomm saying, "Well, it's not like we can just make a game from the retail disc." Then on the next page, someone from Bluepoint says, "We make HD collections by reverse-engineering the retail disc to make sure everything's accurate."
:lol
Here I was thinking I had read that wrong... That's just incredible to read in the same article like that.
TheDrowningMan
Member
They've gone suspiciously quiet...Makes you wonder what they're up to.
I suppose we'll know if the 'patch' ends up being an 8gb download!
I suppose we'll know if the 'patch' ends up being an 8gb download!
For those who are using the PC versions and noticed the recent implementation of Steam custom images I've made these for your SH2 and 3 Steam short cuts in grid view:
Silent Hill 3:
Silent Hill 2:
It has mostly to do with selling a faulty product. Interviews or clarifications pre-release usually point towards developers or publishers indicating what expectations the customers should have. If Konami knowingly released such an atrocious piece of software without indicating what you could expect, they are clearly misrepresenting the quality of their product. Moreover, I think that Hijinx and Tomm Hullett should have declared or protested in public about the treatment of the SH2 and 3 ports.
Silent Hill 3:
Silent Hill 2:
It has mostly to do with selling a faulty product. Interviews or clarifications pre-release usually point towards developers or publishers indicating what expectations the customers should have. If Konami knowingly released such an atrocious piece of software without indicating what you could expect, they are clearly misrepresenting the quality of their product. Moreover, I think that Hijinx and Tomm Hullett should have declared or protested in public about the treatment of the SH2 and 3 ports.
There were voice files here. They are gone now.
seriously - Konami, wtf. Anyway there are PC versions out there. There are PS2 versions out there. Why not just grab the voices from there. Yeah, lower quality yada yada but it would have worked
So on my way home from work today I stopped by my local Gamestop to see if they had any great last-gen games that I don't own yet. I was going to buy Metroid Prime for 4 bucks but then I saw they had Silent Hill 2, 3, and Shattered Memories. They had a buy 2 get one free deal so after dealing with the obnoxious Gamestop employee I bought them.
I don't really want to spend any more money, but do you guys recommend I purchase Silent Hill 1 off of the PSN before playing these? If that's the case then I'll gladly hand over the $7 for it.
I don't really want to spend any more money, but do you guys recommend I purchase Silent Hill 1 off of the PSN before playing these? If that's the case then I'll gladly hand over the $7 for it.
Combichristoffersen
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You don't need to play SH1 before playing SH2 or Shattered Memories, but a) SH1 is still a great game, and b) SH3 is a sequel to SH1, so you should play SH1 first.
Alright, I'll buy SH1 then. I can't wait to poop my pants over and over again. I get scared so easily in games, so this should be a blast.
Mr. Enigma
Member
If you want to shit your pants, find Silent Hill 4. Easily the scariest of all of the originals.
If my pants aren't brown enough from playing the other 4 then I'll definitely look into that one. These games should have some legs because I highly doubt I will blow through all of them in a row. I'll probably need a break.
Combichristoffersen
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I like SH4 for what it is, but.. no. Just no. SH1 and 3 are both way scarier than SH4 ever was.
Mr. Enigma
Member
I dare you to come up with one thing from SH1 and SH3 that comes anywhere close to Walter stalking you around in the second half of the game.
Clairvoyance
Member
Lol. You cannot be serious.
Mr. Enigma
Member
Oh well. No sense in arguing against the anti-SH4 defense force.
Adam Prime
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I agree with you, he follows you through rooms and shows up right in front of your face when you turn the corner on a camera angle.
... it's kinda like seeing the "Slender Man" videos, where he's just... there, and you're like "jeesh!!"
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
You must be joking. Walter stalking you wasn't scary, it was just annoying. The only genuine freak-out moment I had in SH4 was when you enter the room with the giant head, and that was weaksauce compared to stuff like the mirror room in SH3. SH4 is a decent enough game for what it is, but it is in no way, shape or form anywhere near as scary as SH 1 and 3 are. Hell, I'd put SH2 too above SH4 on the scare scale.
Melchiah
Member
Completely agree on the Walter thing, but I've always wondered what people find so freaky about that giant head?
Mr. Enigma
Member
I love expressing an opinion and getting hit with "you must not be serious" and "you must be joking". Get fucked.
Typographenia
Member
I never got that either.
Add me to the group of finding Walter more annoying than scary.
The scariest thing in SH4, personally, was the first time
your apartment started to drain your health because of a haunting. My one perfect safe haven was taken from me.
Konami lost it and cannot find it.
Combichristoffersen
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It's unexpected and creepy. It's not outright scary like the empty locker in SH1 or the mirror room in SH3, but that giant head is something otherworldly and unnatural.
The expression "Get fucked" isn't helping matters, you know. At all.
Napalm_Frank
Member
I haven't been following this thread for a while but did the patch ever come out and fix things? (not the one that was around release.)
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Nope, no patch in sight.
Melchiah
Member
I found even that annoying after a while. =D
Especially, as you had to go there frequently to save the game, and access the item box. I really hated the fact you could only carry a handful of items, and even the bullet boxes counted as different items.
I found this apparition somewhat unnerving though.
Well, I can understand, that her eyes following you might have that effect. BTW, has any game used the old horror movie idea, that the eyes on the paintings follow you? I can't remember seeing that myself.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
I can't think of any horror game ATM that has used that ide, no.
Typographenia
Member
I haven't watched it yet, but here is a 30 minute video interview by Dave Schaufele (Eddie) with Guy Cihi (James) on SH2.
Spoilers for the story-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymOVhMrdpH0
edit: Looks like it's fan questions, not so much an interview between the two.
Spoilers for the story-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymOVhMrdpH0
edit: Looks like it's fan questions, not so much an interview between the two.
So I'm an hour and 30 minutes into Silent Hill 1 and omfg the game is scary. The fact that it takes place in a goddamn Elementary School is absolutely horrible. You have no idea how terrified I was to enter the little girls bathroom, thank god there was nothing there.
And those dreadful noises. And the ghost babies.
So great.
Question: Are there multiple endings, like in Resident Evil? I really hope not.
And those dreadful noises. And the ghost babies.
So great.
Question: Are there multiple endings, like in Resident Evil? I really hope not.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
There are.
Goddamn it. I'm not going to look up anything about how to get them because the last thing I want to be worrying about while playing the game is getting the good ending.
Typographenia
Member
There are no endings labeled "good" or "bad."
There are convincing arguments to be made for every single ending as to why it is better than any other ending.
There are convincing arguments to be made for every single ending as to why it is better than any other ending.