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[Scribble]

Maybe there's something similar in there for the

Spoiler

Dixie, Toon Zelda/Sheik, Roy, Mewtwo etc.

Fixed? Lol =X

 

[Jiggy]

fantastic idea

I can only hope so. Same for Nana, actually, although I won't explain that one further because I'm a highly cautious person. >_>

 

[careksims]

Oh wow what a nice trick for ZSS! Sneaky Bastard! XD

 

[Sharp]

Does it really have a one-frame time window? Yeesh, no wonder nobody had found it. How could they possibly expect people to find these things?

 

[Jiggy]

Does it really have a one-frame time window? Yeesh, no wonder nobody had found it. How could they possibly expect people to find these things?

By reading the Dojo, I guess. >_>

 

[turk128]

Considering how the Dojo actually managed to stun us all with something new, I'd almost consider the Samus -> Zamus transformation revelation a megaton. Just for managing to catch us spoilery folk off guard.

Miniton, maybe?

Stealth Megaton; i.e. seems like just another update until you realize the implications.

Hmm, wonder which one will be next.... whoa, it'll be crazy if you can do more than watch in spectator mode.

 

[CassSept]

The thing with siblings in FE is creepy.
I may actually play one of Fire Emblems now.
Which is best to start with?

 

[turk128]

O CRAP! I got it.

You have to do it REALLY fast. I had to use both my hands... turned the controller sideways and had a thumb on up and a thumb on down :lol

When it happens it interrupts her taunt - she immediately starts to glow and kneels down and puts a hand on the floor, then light flashes from her and the armor falls off.

How long does the transformation last? I'm thinking Sak made it hard to do cause you're invulnerable while doing it?

 

[MrCheez]

How long does the transformation last? I'm thinking Sak made it hard to do cause you're invulnerable while doing it?

Hmmm about 3 seconds maybe? About the same time it now takes to switch from Zelda to Sheik and vice versa. (Which takes quite a bit longer in Brawl than it did in Melee)

 

[Man God]

The thing with siblings in FE is creepy.
I may actually play one of Fire Emblems now.
Which is best to start with?

You basically have a few good options.

FE 7 (Known as Fire Emblem in the US and Europe)

Pros

Great story
good difficulty curve, maybe a bit too hard for some
My avatar
Great music

Cons

Hard to find
A prequel to FE6, which is Japan only, so it doesn't have quite the same story resonance.

FE 8 (Known as Fire Emblem:Sacred Stones)

Pros

Self contained plot
Ability to choose promotion class
Hilarious support conversations
Easier to find than FE 7
Really easy for a beginner. You can level outside of chapters.

Cons

Story is a bit plain
Remember how I said it's easy. It might be too easy, especially if you have any SRPG background.
Music is much worse than any other western FE game.

FE 9 (Known as Fire Emblemath of Radiance)

Pros

Long
Good music, decent graphics, many characters.
Good story
Pretty balanced difficulty
Easy to find cheap.

Cons

Some people don't like the battle animations
Different save system
Hard mode isn't hard enough
Not enough cutscenes
No support conversation master list. (I think)

FE 10 (Known as Fire Emblem:Radiant Dawn)

Pros

Really long
Gigantic roster
neat story
better graphics, music, everything in general over PoR
Hard as balls. Easiest difficulty isn't too bad though.
Continuation of PoR.
Easiest to find new.
You can play one handed.

Cons

Too hard maybe to start with, even on the easiest difficulty.
Plus being a direct sequel you really want to play PoR first.
You can do a little bit of cheating with saves. This might be a pro for most people.

Conclusion: FE 8 is the worst of them all, but still a great game. It is however, the perfect game to start with if you're unfamiliar with the genre. If you are, I'd say PoR is next. Easy to find cheap, direct prequel to Radiant Dawn. FE would be next, as it is less connected to its companion game than Radiant Dawn. It is rather hard to find these days. Last would be Radiant Dawn. Now hilariously enough, this might be my favorite FE game and yet it wouldn't be my first choice for starting.

 

[Jiggy]

FE7 and FE8 should win extra points for having sublimely beautiful attack animations.

 

[NotWii]

FE Stuff

Seriously you think FE7 has a better story than FE9/FE10?

FE4 is still my favorite, best music, absolutely huge chapters (3 bosses to defeat in the first one), focus on horseback combat which means larger maps, difficult, awesome characters especially Sigurd, awesome support system, but only in Japanese

 

[Jiggy]

Edit: Double post due to FE7 being awesome.

 

[Man God]

Seriously you think FE7 has a better story than FE9/FE10?

FE4 is still my favorite, best music, absolutely huge chapters (3 bosses to defeat in the first one), focus on horseback combat which means larger maps, difficult, awesome characters especially Sigurd, awesome support system, but only in Japanese

It's pretty even in my book. Hell, it definately wins the prize for best story in a tutorial. That might be enough to win out over the long haul.

I love FE 4. Heck right now the only FE game I haven't beaten is Gaiden. It is worth noting that while FE 6 is supposedly a port of the N64 DD version, it is really pretty short for an FE game. Then they continued the tradition with 7 and 8. But when it finally made its homecoming to consoles, they come back with one large game and then one ridiculously large game.

I hope to jeebus that they pull a Square Enix here and release all the FE games on the DS. Then translate them and ship them over here. Script guides and a dictionary are good, but no replacement for a good localization.

 

[NotWii]

It's pretty even in my book. Hell, it definately wins the prize for best story in a tutorial. That might be enough to win out over the long haul.

I hope to jeebus that they pull a Square Enix here and release all the FE games on the DS. Then translate them and ship them over here. Script guides and a dictionary are good, but no replacement for a good localization.

Yeah, I'll admit the story in the tutorial chapters was a fantastic way to tie in those 'lesser' chapters into the whole picture. But I honestly can't remember anything else from the story.

Maybe this is what they're trying to start with FEDS which is FE1...

 

[Man God]

Yeah, I'll admit the story in the tutorial chapters was a fantastic way to tie in those 'lesser' chapters into the whole picture. But I honestly can't remember anything else from the story.

Maybe this is what they're trying to start with FEDS which is FE1...

We don't know if it is one though. Could be three. Which makes more sense, as it kills two birds with one stone.

The plot of FE 7 is simple. Bad guy wants dragons, you stop him. It's the little twists and turns and the way it connects to FE 6 that I appreciate the most. A proper after the fact prequel.

Also, Lyn is in Brawl.

 

[grandjedi6]

Radiant Dawn has the best story and PoR has the best storytelling of all the Fire Emblems

 

[NotWii]

We don't know if it is one though. Could be three. Which makes more sense, as it kills two birds with one stone.

The plot of FE 7 is simple. Bad guy wants dragons, you stop him. It's the little twists and turns and the way it connects to FE 6 that I appreciate the most. A proper after the fact prequel.

Also, Lyn is in Brawl.

That would be even better! FE3 + FE1 and offer FE2 as a bonus
Wish they'd polish the sprites though.

I just found FE7's story a little plain...
I love the political motivations and racial conflicts in FE9/FE10, it really makes it more interesting.

Yeah I know
I love FE7's trifecta of lords almost as much as I love Sigurd

Radiant Dawn has the best story and PoR has the best storytelling of all the Fire Emblems

Yep yep
PoR's is more epic to me since you stick with Ike the whole time and there's no party splitting.

Oh no, we've turned this thread into a Fire Emblem appreciation thread!

 

[NeonZ]

We don't know if it is one though. Could be three. Which makes more sense, as it kills two birds with one stone.

Actually, some of the material has called it a remake of Shadow Dragon and Sword of Light, so it probably will be just a remake of FE1. I only hope whenever they get around to remaking FE3, they'll give new designs for everyone, unlike in the original. There's no way almost everyone should look the same after 4 or 5 years.

 

[grandjedi6]

Actually, some of the material has called it a remake of Shadow Dragon and Sword of Light, so it probably will be just a remake of FE1. I only hope whenever they get around to remaking FE3, they'll give new designs for everyone, unlike in the original. There's no way almost everyone should look the same after 4 or 5 years.

Yeah, everything points to a FEI only remake.

 

[ratcliffja]

Yeah, it's incredible that the Dojo is still able to reveal things that had yet to be discovered by people who have thoroughly played the game. I wonder what else we haven't figured out yet.

 

[Crushed]

What the hell is wrong with her spine.

 

[crowphoenix]

Come on, Mangog, you've got to knock 10 at least a tich for gimping the actual conversations in the supports (Though it is damn awkwardly funny when the two characters make no sense).

FE9 with seven coming after that. 10 will probably move up there when I go back and restart it when I have more time and the necassary knowledge.

And about Ike and Mist, I really think it's more Ike and Soren. Cause, while Ike may be clueless about everyone, Soren is damn obvious.

Spoiler

That and Ike/Soren is Ike's only paired ending

What the hell is wrong with her spine.

Side-effect of the Morph Ball?

 

[dude]

Jiggy, I could probably go through some pages next week, though the week after that (the 25th) would be ideal since I'm quitting my job and will have a lot of free time. If you're tight on time, I could still do it this week.

 

[Code_Link]

I don't remember the Heath thing at all, and I've personally unlocked every single support conversation.

I don't remember that particular conversation either, how did it go?

 

[MThanded]

Wow i managed to miss the zero suit samus switching stuff when I skimmed over the update last night. That opens up another character. I know I am late as hell...

 

[Branduil]

The thing with siblings in FE is creepy.
I may actually play one of Fire Emblems now.

:lol

 

[CreatureX3]

Great update. Sakurai spilling the secret code ranks as a stealth megaton in my book!

 

[HK-47]

Roy is the one clueless about women. Anyone who has played FE6 knows this. Every girl in the game wants in his pants and he never realizes it. Hopeless. Hector would do them all at the same time. Expect his daughter...though it is FE we are talking about

 

[crowphoenix]

Roy is the one clueless about women. Anyone who has played FE6 knows this. Every girl in the game wants in his pants and he never realizes it. Hopeless. Hector would do them all at the same time. Expect his daughter...though it is FE we are talking about

And that's because Hector is amazing. I haven't beaten 7 yet,

Spoiler

I'm at a mission or two before Eliwood promotes

, but my Hector was so badass it hurt-- my teams exp count. Nothing touched him. If he didn't dodge it, it did no damage, and then he'd one shot them.

I wish he had made it into Brawl.

 

[HK-47]

And that's because Hector is amazing. I haven't beaten 7 yet,

Spoiler

I'm at a mission or two before Eliwood promotes

, but my Hector was so badass it hurt-- my teams exp count. Nothing touched him. If he didn't dodge it, it did no damage, and then he'd one shot them.

I wish he had made it into Brawl.

He's in serious contention for best lord in the series. The only one I could see being near him is Ike, but Ike is a goddamn cheap ass mofo. Ephiram would be up there if they didnt fuck up his stat caps...still god tier in his game regardless

 

[NotWii]

He's in serious contention for best lord in the series. The only one I could see being near him is Ike, but Ike is a goddamn cheap ass mofo. Ephiram would be up there if they didnt fuck up his stat caps...still god tier in his game regardless

NO ONE BEATS SIGURD!

 

[HK-47]

NO ONE BEATS SIGURD!

Sigurd isnt even close to the best character in his own game. Ike, Ephiram, Hector...they are the best. Sigurd maybe have been the best lord for his time but thats not saying much when the other lords were weak shits until they got their uber weapons.

Best FE game from a quality standpoint, but it dont have the best lord by a long shot

 

[scottnak]

Hey guys? What in the hell are you guys talking about
Last time I checked, this was the DOJO UPDATE

We just got the approval to keep this open! DOn't make him revoke it.*shakes fist*

 

[HK-47]

We are talking about FE lords. Marth was in the update. Marth is a lord. We are having a subdiscussion

 

[GaimeGuy]

Roy is the one clueless about women. Anyone who has played FE6 knows this. Every girl in the game wants in his pants and he never realizes it. Hopeless. Hector would do them all at the same time. Expect his daughter...though it is FE we are talking about

And Sain would likely do any one, but only one.

 

[Scribble]

We are talking about FE lords. Marth was in the update. Marth is a lord. We are having a subdiscussion

:lol

 

[HK-47]

And Sain would likely do any one, but only one.

Sain would do no one, cause all the girls would kick his ass.

 

[Iam Canadian]

I'd consider this remarkably on topic, since in the past we've managed to tie discussions on Shakespeare, high heels, why portables are better than consoles, and the works of John Steinbeck into this thread.

Side-effect of the Morph Ball?

After reading what happened to the Space Pirates that tried to duplicate the Morph Ball in a scan in Metroid Prime, I'd say Samus gets off easy.

Does it really have a one-frame time window? Yeesh, no wonder nobody had found it. How could they possibly expect people to find these things?

It's an Easter egg. How did they expect people to find those secret Star Fox team taunts in Melee?

 

[HK-47]

Or the Extendable Grappling Beam. Or Sleepy Time. Or 2L84U

 

[Firestorm]

I only ever played part of Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones. Losing my characters and restarting because I didn't want them to die annoyed me so much that I eventually stopped playing.

 

[HK-47]

I only ever played part of Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones. Losing my characters and restarting because I didn't want them to die annoyed me so much that I eventually stopped playing.

Sissy

 

[Jiggy]

I only ever played part of Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones. Losing my characters and restarting because I didn't want them to die annoyed me so much that I eventually stopped playing.

You should have just said "one of the Fire Emblem games." Because in The Sacred Stones pretty much every character is a hulking dominant beast of death and destruction.

Jiggy, I could probably go through some pages next week, though the week after that (the 25th) would be ideal since I'm quitting my job and will have a lot of free time. If you're tight on time, I could still do it this week.

We can wait.

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[Firestorm]

Hmm...? ....? Who could this be? I'm betting that whoever it is, knowing Sakurai its going to be the next update

We just got Marth two days ago though. Although I it's likely that this character will be revealed next week. I didn't even realize it until someone told me, but this is a hint at a certain hidden character.

 

[Jiggy]

Actually, it's Samus' scan visor.



No, I'm just joking; I don't know if she uses her scan visor in Subspace Emissary. Edit: Come to think of it, even though I've read all the spoiler threads, I have next to no idea what Samus does in SSE.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I only ever played part of Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones. Losing my characters and restarting because I didn't want them to die annoyed me so much that I eventually stopped playing.

Stop...dying?

 

[Hellsing321]

Or the Extendable Grappling Beam. Or Sleepy Time. Or 2L84U

I know about Samus' extendable grapple, but what are the other two?

 

[Iam Canadian]

I know about Samus' extendable grapple, but what are the other two?

I'm actually not sure what the Sleepy Time one is, but the bottom of the Barrel Cannon item in Melee has "2L84U" written on the bottom. You can only really see it when you zoom in.

 

[crowphoenix]

So many things I've never taken the time to notice in melee. :lol I are behind the times.

 

[Keru_Shiri]

so... what'd I miss?