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Fireblend said:No! This thread can't die before reaching 1000 pages!
Just 970 posts more!
considering this threads purpose, it shouldent be closed until after Sakurai stops updating the dojo.
Fireblend said:No! This thread can't die before reaching 1000 pages!
Just 970 posts more!
Why, we'll just have to make our own!TreIII said:So...what do we do in this "off-time" that we'll have? Go through repeats? :lol
Proven said:So this is it huh? This is as far as this thread can go before major spoilers spill everywhere starting after, or even possibly this, holiday season?
It was good knowing you guys.
Akinola said:Some relevant news via DIGG
http://www.wiipals.net/Forum/showthread.php?p=200592#post200592
BS? I wish there was more evidence
I'd still be providing stats straight through April (SSBM site was updated for a few more months, so maybe the Dojo will be as well) if people were interested, but I somehow doubt any of us will when we actually have the game.Linkzg said:considering this threads purpose, it shouldent be closed until after Sakurai stops updating the dojo.
Don't kid yourself, we don't actually play gamesIam Canadian said:The Dojo community will never die. We'll just migrate to the Official Thread and, eventually, the game itself.
I am almost certain my first ban will come from one of these arguments - er, "spirited debates."Jiggy37 said:where the end is us coming back to NeoGAF and launching into spirited debates about tiers, items, rule sets, tourney-legal stages
I've heard rumors that NOE wants to release this game in March, and push FE to a later date.KevinCow said:Sorry Europeans, you have to wait until November!"
Jiggy37 said:Well, we do "play" games and we will "play" Brawl. It's just that, around here, games are a means to an end, where the end is us coming back to NeoGAF and launching into spirited debates about tiers, items, rule sets, tourney-legal stages, and stuff of all sorts that "should have" but didn't make it into the game. Keep your eye on the goal.
Um, WTF? Now Printing... means the image placed there is a placeholder and will be replaced with the final image when it's available. It doesn't have anything to do with the game going gold, LOL.Akinola said:Some relevant news via DIGG
http://www.wiipals.net/Forum/showthread.php?p=200592#post200592
BS? I wish there was more evidence
Nope, I stand firm in my belief that there's at least a small percentage of people on NeoGAF who play games.Spruchy said:stop kidding yourself.
Jiggy37 said:Nope, I stand firm in my belief that there's at least a small percentage of people on NeoGAF who play games.
Ok, I'm not trying to get attention here or anything, but I've got some insider news.
I can't give proof, and if I could I wouldn't. I thought it was bull until Monday.
I was told there was a stage creator. So far, this news has been correct. So check this out...
He said Wolf was in the game. (I don't even like Wolf, so I don't care.)
Falco is returning.
Ganondorf is returning.
Captain Falcon is returning.
Lucario is taking Mewtwo's Place.
Ness is returning.
Zelda can turn into Sheik.
And there are these items called "Dragoon Parts" I did some research and apparently they're from Kirby's Air Ride. Supposedly, if you collect all three parts you can do some devastating move where you control a crosshair and do a crazy rush or something.
Oh and Final Destination is back.
I wish there was more info squeezed out, but there wasn't. If you don't want to believe, don't. I know there's a lot more to be revealed besides this anyway. Let time prove it, as it has begun to.
:|Duck said:Lucario is taking Mewtwo's Place.
Jiggy37 said:I already expected Falco, Ganondorf, Captain Falcon, Ness, Sheik, Final Destination, and a stage creator. I half-anticipated Lucario, depending on what "taking Mewtwo's place" means (I didn't expect him to get Mewtwo's moveset if that's what it means), but whatever the case, Lucario's been predicted by a lot of others. Nothing unusual in any of that.
To get all of that Dragoon detail correct, though--I think that particular part would have to require inside info. Interesting stuff. Now to wonder about what's meant by Wolf being "in" the game. Could just be a boss character...
Pretty much same here. Lucario > Mewtwo, but I did kind of want to see Mewtwo done right. And there are certainly aspects of its moveset that Lucario can't inherit without breaking Pokemon canon, like Disable, the bizarre jumping mechanics, the forward throw, and (maybe) whatever in the world that body-electrifying attack is supposed to represent. (Shock Wave?) And the tail attacks would have to be slightly tweaked since Mewtwo's got the longer tail.TreIII said:It would still suck that Mewtwo got replaced. I mean, as much as I personally like and prefer Lucario, I was really hoping that Two would've gotten a significant buff, like his low-tier residing pal, Bowser.
Only somewhat? I think it'd be time to paint the town red if it was true.As for Wolf? Well, it could be just a thing that Wolf won out over Krystal. I'd some what prefer it that way, personally, but then the thing would be, how would they differentiate Wolf enough from the other two Lylatians?
Jiggy37 said:Only somewhat? I think it'd be time to paint the town red if it was true.
But, again, it does depend on what being "in" means. If Wolf was an assist trophy and Krystal was playable, well... :/
duhGanondorf is returning.
no kiddingCaptain Falcon is returning.
YesssssssNess is returning.
Looking forward to seeing the new Sheik look, should be cool.Zelda can turn into Sheik.
If it is, I hope it's got a new look like Battlefield. It doesn't contribute any nostalgia value because it's a Smash Bros original stage, and it's not like it'd be hard to make a FD equivalent in the Stage Editor. Still, some kind of Final Destination should be expected now it has been confirmed that Classic Mode will be returning.Oh and Final Destination is back.
Firestorm said:It's from October 30th ._.
The Dragoon portion of the post is spot on!Firestorm said:It's from October 30th ._.
Proven said:And I am here and now going to say (again) that I bet Shiek form is Zelda's new Final Smash. I know some people don't like it, but I think it would fit with the alternate character theme like Samus and her Zero Suit. Of course with Pokemon Trainer as an example, Down+B changes are still in, so I'm more or less preparing for the worst case scenario.
Sciz said:And I'm going to say again that Shiek is still Zelda's Down + B (and vice versa). Pokemon Trainer is limited by time, and Samus is limited by smash balls. Sakurai has no reason to turn a unique transformation mechanic into the same kind as another character's.
I'm not saying anything one way or another, but there are a number of alt. colours for characters that sort of make them look like someone else. The fact that Mario has a Wario colours palette swap [in Melee and Brawl] didn't stop Wario from getting in as a playable character. Peach has a Daisy swap, but I doubt Daisy is in. Ike apparently has a Marth colours alt, but I think it's plausible to expect Marth to be back in because he's the Fire Emblem lord in Japan, and he's also starring in the upcoming FE1 remake for the DS. So basically the alt. colour schemes tell us nothing, and Wolf could very well be in as a playable character; whether Fox has an alt colour scheme similar to Wolf's or not.Proven said:Also, I'm leery of what form Wolf appears in the game because they went and gave Fox a wolf costume as one of his alternate costumes.
Proven said:Also, I'm leery of what form Wolf appears in the game because they went and gave Fox a wolf costume as one of his alternate costumes.
The reason isn't just because it's not broken*, it's that it's a unique character mechanic. When you have three unique character transformation mechanics, why change one to make it identical to another one? It would be like taking the Ice Climbers and removing their dual character mechanic.Proven said:The problem is that I can't see a reason why he wouldn't other than the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", but then he could be using it as a way to make things better (or make Zelda better).
He's shown that he's not afraid to change around a few Down+B's (Mario for example, although his previous version wasn't very strong) and it sorta, in a twisted way, supports my other hope that you can choose to start off with Shiek or Zero Suit Samus to make them playable still when Smash Balls are (inevitably) turned off for matches in the future, from casual to tournament scenes.
The fact that Wario has a way to his original pre-WarioWare costume from that other recent update also fills me with hope for this.
We also don't know how much time it will take for Pokemon Trainer to change pokemon. I don't think it'll be much, simply because it would be a very cheap and easy way to dodge Final Smash attacks if it wasn't a second or less.
I figure it was more along the lines of, "Hey, we have Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer and his three Pokemon, Jigglypuff, and Mewtwo, all representing the first generation. We should probably have a more recent Pokemon in there, too. But five Pokemon characters, or seven if you count PT's Pokemon individually, is getting a little bloated for one franchise, so we should probably take one out."Firestorm said:In regards to Mewtwo, maybe they figured his tail makes his hitbox just too damn big to do anything with?
I kind of figured it was that they realized it's bizarre to have one legendary Pokemon who sucks and can be KOed, and meanwhile Lugia/Ho-oh/Zapdos/Suicune/Deoxys/Groudon/etc. are invincible and busy tearing stuff up.Firestorm said:In regards to Mewtwo, maybe they figured his tail makes his hitbox just too damn big to do anything with?
Well, Marth also has a different fighting style in his favor. But yes, in general I agree with what you're saying (if you're saying what I think what you're saying, which is) that the color swap argument doesn't really hold merit on its own.Meloche said:I'm not saying anything one way or another, but there are a number of alt. colours for characters that sort of make them look like someone else. The fact that Mario has a Wario colours palette swap [in Melee and Brawl] didn't stop Wario from getting in as a playable character. Peach has a Daisy swap, but I doubt Daisy is in. Ike apparently has a Marth colours alt, but I think it's plausible to expect Marth to be back in because he's the Fire Emblem lord in Japan, and he's also starring in the upcoming FE1 remake for the DS.
Jiggy37 said:Actually, I might go beyond that... I'm not even sure the color swap argument combined with the clone argument would work. Somewhere between Melee and Brawl, it seems like a lot of people picked up on this idea that Brawl just wouldn't and couldn't have clones, and I don't understand why since the single precedent we have is that clones are very possible. >_>
Iam Canadian said:Honestly, I expect clones. They're standard for any fighting game series and they make a great way for Sakurai to incorporate additional characters into the game without the expenditure in time that it takes to create entirely new animations and movesets. Besides, it's not like clones don't add gameplay variety. And Sakurai's all about variety.
You know, it's funny you say that, because I've always thought it interesting how Smash in general resembled the traditional fighting game - particularly Street Fighter - despite its obvious deviations from the norm, starting with Mario and Luigi's similarities to Ryu and Ken. They both share fireballs and uppercuts, and a vaguely similar spinning move (though that may be reaching a bit). And while Mario and Ryu have more effective fireballs, Luigi and Ken have more effective uppercuts.TreIII said:And unless Luigi gets a move-set overhaul that would be unprecedented, he's going to still be basically the "Ken" to Mario's "Ryu".
If Mewtwo isn't going to be playable, I really hope that they make him a pokeball pokemon. I think Kevincow has the logic down for why Mewtwo would be cut, but he's still an awesome pokemon that deserves to not suck in a Smash Bros game.Jiggy37 said:I kind of figured it was that they realized it's bizarre to have one legendary Pokemon who sucks and can be KOed, and meanwhile Lugia/Ho-oh/Zapdos/Suicune/Deoxys/Groudon/etc. are invincible and busy tearing stuff up.
Yeah, that's exactly what I meant.Jiggy37 said:Well, Marth also has a different fighting style in his favor. But yes, in general I agree with what you're saying (if you're saying what I think what you're saying, which is) that the color swap argument doesn't really hold merit on its own.
I have absolutely no problem with clones, so long as it makes sense for the characters. Mario and Luigi have similar abilities and therefore it makes sense for them to have similar movesets -- same goes for Pichu/Pikachu, Fox/Falco, Dr Mario/Mario, Young Link/Link, and Marth/Roy. The only clone pairing I have a problem with is the Ganondorf/Captain Falcon one, and only because Ganondorf has so many potentially great moves to use from his roles in the Zelda titles that it seems kind of silly to give him all these punching and kicking moves that basically have nothing to do with his character. I would love to see Ganondorf in Brawl based on his TWW appearance, complete with the robe and dual swords. Failing that, his TP appearance with that giant sword and some projectile magic would also be pretty cool, and then obviously for either a Ganon transformation ala Giga Bowser would seal the deal.Iam Canadian said:Honestly, I expect clones. They're standard for any fighting game series and they make a great way for Sakurai to incorporate additional characters into the game without the expenditure in time that it takes to create entirely new animations and movesets. Besides, it's not like clones don't add gameplay variety. And Sakurai's all about variety.
Pretty much. At least as an item Mewtwo would be sure to wreak havoc, free from the fear of ending up bottom-tier.Meloche said:If Mewtwo isn't going to be playable, I really hope that they make him a pokeball pokemon. I think Kevincow has the logic down for why Mewtwo would be cut, but he's still an awesome pokemon that deserves to not suck in a Smash Bros game.
Pretty much. On its own, the way he controls in SSBM is pretty cool--but in the context of his character, not at all. Even in SSBM days when his only non-pig appearance had been Ocarina of Time, he still at least had magic shots and the ability to reflect them. And by now he's got far more at his disposal...The only clone pairing I have a problem with is the Ganondorf/Captain Falcon one, and only because Ganondorf has so many potentially great moves to use from his roles in the Zelda titles that it seems kind of silly to give him all these punching and kicking moves that basically have nothing to do with his character.
KevinCow said:If we get clones, I hope they're at least more differentiated than the Melee clones. They should at least have one unique special move and a few unique standard attacks, as well as a unique Final Smash. And I don't want to see fast characters getting fast clones. If Fox, Falco, and Wolf are really in, and there's gotta be a clone, make wolf a slow, powerful version of Fox, maybe replace the side B with a slower attack, and give Falco a unique moveset. I think Ike is a good example for a "clone" of Marth. Slow and powerful with a couple of somewhat similar moves - the standard B is similar to the sword charge but with a different animation and less range, the up B is similar to Marth's in that it has very little horizontal recovery, and I believe his down B is counter. Or Ganondorf was a good clone of Captain Falcon, though if anyone retains his move set in Brawl, be it Deathborne or Black Shadow or Ganondorf himself, I hope they also have a few more unique moves.
Jiggy37 said:Pretty much. At least as an item Mewtwo would be sure to wreak havoc, free from the fear of ending up bottom-tier.
Pretty much. On its own, the way he controls in SSBM is pretty cool--but in the context of his character, not at all. Even in SSBM days when his only non-pig appearance had been Ocarina of Time, he still at least had magic shots and the ability to reflect them. And by now he's got far more at his disposal...