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SNES Game Collecting (Tips, discussion, and info for like minded collectors)

TomcatTheLion

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It's not a bad price for the bundle, but yikes at that $50 shipping. I'd hold off on it just for that alone.
That shipping price is absolute bullshit. I don't even think that would cost $50 to ship by EMS.

It also might be a better idea to get a USA unit; it's much easier to modify that to play Japanese games than vice versa.
Yeah the shipping price was what definitely put me off from making a trigger purchase.

I was also looking into getting a US unit as well since I saw a reference to the modification earlier in the thread (though I've never seen/read how it's done).
 

TnK

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Yep. He actually had to have their manufacturer create a completely different size mold for their SNES/SFC cases just because the manuals wouldn't fit into their NES-sized cases. Unless there are games with very awkwardly sized manuals, there shouldn't be any issues.
I want to place the LttP manual and map inside something. Hopefully it fits in there as well.

Regarding Hagane, any tips on the running section in stage 1? Also, do these running sections repeat a lot? The entire game is grade A material, but those running sections are down right memorization, which is not cool.

EDIT: When did the japanese Hagane become so expensive? I remember that it used to be $70 boxed and everything.
 

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I want to place the LttP manual and map inside something. Hopefully it fits in there as well.

Regarding Hagane, any tips on the running section in stage 1? Also, do these running sections repeat a lot? The entire game is grade A material, but those running sections are down right memorization, which is not cool.

EDIT: When did the japanese Hagane become so expensive? I remember that it used to be $70 boxed and everything.
Same reason Wild Guns started to go up. People found out that they dont really need the game to be in English to play it. Of course that hasnt really had an effect on Japanese Saturn games...so actually i'm not sure.
 

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Same reason Wild Guns started to go up. People found out that they dont really need the game to be in English to play it. Of course that hasnt really had an effect on Japanese Saturn games...so actually i'm not sure.
Now I regret not getting a mint condition JP Hagane for $70 ='(
 

Ban Puncher

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I remember when I got Wild Guns on Super Famicom for $8.90 from Play-Asia of all places back in 2007.

That was a good day.
 

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Indeed, thank god i collected back from 2004-2006 time.

Was this pad ever regarded to be good....

I have the 3DO version of this. It's serviceable, but a standard SNES pad is better.

If you're looking for a good SNES controller with turbo functionality, get the ASCII Pad.
 

Ban Puncher

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Indeed, thank god i collected back from 2004-2006 time.

Was this pad ever regarded to be good....

I got that for a birthday alongside my SNES for hot two player action. It was returned for another official SNES controller a few hours later and the great Super Mario Kart birthday tournament could continue.

That controller was total ass.
 

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I have the 3DO version of this. It's serviceable, but a standard SNES pad is better.

If you're looking for a good SNES controller with turbo functionality, get the ASCII Pad.
Ill have a look at those, were they official nintendo released?

I got 2 of these with a Super Famicom i bought....



they arent that great.

This is a 3rd party pad i bought when i was a kid....



and it was god awful the d-pad was super stiff and those little stick add on cut into your thumb big time, useless
 

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Yeah, it even came in one of those plastic cases with the cover art. It's not the original box, but it still looks cool.

This same store sold a Little Samson cart for $550 this morning(not to me, good lord no), which seems like a lot but once again looking at eBay prices it was a pretty good price.
 

Morfeo

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Found Demon's Crest at a local video game store for 80 bucks. Not too bad, especially seeing what they go for on eBay.
Wow thats great. I am jealous. I just got Gargoyles Quest 2 for £26 (togheter with Darkwing Duck, Turtles, Mcdonaldland and Little Nemo which I all own) which I was pretty happy with :)
 

sixteen-bit

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Wow thats great. I am jealous. I just got Gargoyles Quest 2 for £26 (togheter with Darkwing Duck, Turtles, Mcdonaldland and Little Nemo which I all own) which I was pretty happy with :)
Nice. I think I've said it before, but I feel Gargoyles Quest II is a better game than Demon's Crest.
 

Morfeo

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Nice. I think I've said it before, but I feel Gargoyles Quest II is a better game than Demon's Crest.
I only played the first one actually (which is good but not great imo), but have always really wanted to the the second and Demons, so looking forward to it :)
 
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What about cart only? I picked up a cart a few years back for $20 and absolutely loved the game. Was surprised to see it spike in value so high.
That's what he's talking about. Cart only goes for $100+ easy these days. Glad I got it a year or so ago for $50.
 

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What about cart only? I picked up a cart a few years back for $20 and absolutely loved the game. Was surprised to see it spike in value so high.
Yep, the prices I listed were cart only for most as it's far more in CIB. There are people who sell it for 200 bucks just for only the cart.o_O
 

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Yeah the shipping price was what definitely put me off from making a trigger purchase.

I was also looking into getting a US unit as well since I saw a reference to the modification earlier in the thread (though I've never seen/read how it's done).
Basically, there are two little tab things in the cartridge slot.



This is not my image. It is stolen.

But basically, you cut those off, and that's it. Super easy.

If your SNES is the original model, it will look more like this inside:

 

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I never did that to my SNES, somehow the thought disturbs me(I guess it's because this is the SNES I've had for nearly 23 years, it's my baby). Luckily I found a Super Famicom for around 30 bucks in a store a couple years back.
 

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I never did that to my SNES, somehow the thought disturbs me(I guess it's because this is the SNES I've had for nearly 23 years, it's my baby). Luckily I found a Super Famicom for around 30 bucks in a store a couple years back.
I'm in the same boat, I don't think I could maim my childhood consoles.

However when I bought my US SNES it had the tabs already cut, so I didn't have to feel bad. Hehe.
 

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So I've been getting the itch to start collecting after watching YouTube shows like The Game Chasers and Pat the NES Punk's Flea Market Madness show.

The wife and I were checking out some local thrift stores today -- she looks at clothes/assorted things and I check out games. Anyway, I look behind the counter and just about soil myself when I see a boxed SNES and Super Scope 6. The Super Scope 6 is CIB and the box is pretty decent except for some frayed edges. The SNES box looks pretty good as well. The console itself has some of the yellowing that is apparent on them. I didn't check to see if it had the manuals or anything but it does have the original box, styrofoam insert, cables, controller and console. It comes with Road Runner's Death Valley Rally of all things.

I ask how much and I find out that they are up for auction as a lot.

Basically you put your name, phone number and bid on a piece of paper and give it to the clerk who files it away and writes the highest bid on a piece of paper that is next to the display. She says that I can just call in to ask if I've been outbid and put in a higher bid over the phone. The auction ends next Saturday.

There were only two bids. Someone started with an opening bid of $5 and then someone had outbid them with a bid of $10. I figured what the hell and put in a bid of $40. So as of this afternoon I am the highest bidder. Who knows how long that will last.

I haven't collected SNES before, so I don't really know how high I should theoretically go with my bid if/when I get outbid. What do you guys think?

TL;DR: What's a good price to pay for a boxed SNES system with cables, controller and a cheap game (Road Runner's Death Valley Rally) along with a CIB in Super Scope 6?
 

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A naked SNES these days is like $40-$50. I assume it'd be more for the box. I don't really care about boxes, though.

I wouldn't pay more than $20 for a boxed Super Scope. Battle Clash and Metal Combat are interesting but the SS in general kind of sucks. Bulky, cumbersome, tons of batteries. T2: TAG and the pack-in are decent, too. MAYBE Tin Star. Yoshi's Safari? Meh.

Road Runner DVR is fiercely mediocre as well.
That's like $2.
 

TomcatTheLion

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To play Japanese games on a North American SNES, you just need to clip off two tabs in the cartridge bay.
Basically, there are two little tab things in the cartridge slot.



This is not my image. It is stolen.

But basically, you cut those off, and that's it. Super easy.

If your SNES is the original model, it will look more like this inside:

Wow. Had no idea it was that simple.
 
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Some PAL games I guess? All NTSC stuff should be fine AFAIK. I could be wrong, of course.
Yeah, was wondering if that's what he was talking about. I assume 100% of Japanese games will work on a US system, and vice versa (once the obvious physical barriers are conquered). I know absolutely nothing about PAL shit, though.
 

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Some PAL games I guess? All NTSC stuff should be fine AFAIK. I could be wrong, of course.
i can 100% confirm PAL Pocky & Rocky don't work, or at least mine didn't. had someone repro the US version onto it for me, but now there's no dialog in the cutscenes =/
 
i can 100% confirm PAL Pocky & Rocky don't work, or at least mine didn't. had someone repro the US version onto it for me, but now there's no dialog in the cutscenes =/
Pal games don't work. Afaik Star Ocean won't work past a certain point, same with Tales of Fantasia, you need the AD-29 Upgrade version for it to work. Some versions of FF6 also display a black screen during the ending on a US system (that's prety mean :p)

Some games won't work with the AD-29U either, like Terranigma Pal version.
 

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So do SOME PAL games work on a Super Famicom then? They are available all over around here but I've hesitated as I didn't think it was possible to use them.
 

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PAL carts working on a Super Famicom? Has everything I've known been a lie?

*four PAL carts in an SFC later*

None of them worked. I will never doubt myself again.


Edit: Dug up my Super Key converter I used when I was young to play JPN and USA carts on my original PAL SNES and tried to use that on my Super Famicom with the PAL cartridges for shits and giggles.

No dice.
 

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Hey guys, thanks for all the help you give in here and such. Hope you don't mind, went through the first 15 pgs (superior 100 post count) and made a little FAQ. If OP doesn't mind, you be nice to have in there, as going through this thread is a task. If this isn't alright, please let me know, and I'll remove it. All links I checked worked and thanks to the posters who are quoted, along with everyone else.

I don't think this has been posted. A handy site for quick reference and for collecting newbies.

http://www.racketboy.com/retro/nintendo/snes
1. How do I store my games?
- The site appears to be down. If you search on Google, you should be able to find some, I haven't received the order I put in yet, but I paid $0.79 ea for a case of 100, including shipping. eBay has them for a lot more, so beware.

Seconded. These work great. Pair them with covers from thecoverproject, and you've got a pretty nice way of storing things.

Keep in mind that 1 just equals a box of like 100 or something, not just 1 case.
1B: But I want to collect CiB games, what will help prevent them from being damaged?
I will buy mine from this guy.
He also has a homepage here: http://www.videogameboxprotectors.com/

It's possible that it might be a bit cheaper to order directly from the site, especially if you're buying in bulk.

2, So, I bought this stuff, but it is dirty as all hell, what do I do?

I think this is one of the best videos on cleaning retro stuff.

<3 Clan Of The Gray Wolf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LlxGGywkbU
Yellow SNES or games?

- Here is a very good write up of why it is yellow, along with details on the pitfalls of trying to get it white. This is really detailed and interesting, going over the process in the plastic that actually causes it. Also has a link to the Retr0brite wiki, which is also very informative.
Markers on your games?
Dry erase marker will take it out

I'm not sure about solvents or dry erase markers, but something that definately works are Mr. Clean magic erasers. To demonstrate this I recently defaced an N64 cart with a sharpie and gave it some time to dry.

Here's what it looked like before:
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/538323_530435833663969_815350923_n.jpg

And after:
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/59754_530435923663960_1474786912_n.jpg

I know the sharpie wasn't on for long, but this is the same method that I use to clean up all my carts, some of which have sharpie that could easily be 10-15+ years old, and they look literally brand new after the magic eraser and some good old elbow grease.
The magic erasers work great, but keep in mind, that they're essentially extremely fine abrasive pads. It'll remove some of the texture of the carts.

Not a big deal for some, but something to keep in mind.
Also, in some cases, that "Magic Eraser" (Mr Clean, I think) really removes deep stains, scratches, and other blemishes. It's less useful with textured plastic but can definitely save the day in some cases.

Also, for console cleaning, Armorall works wonders. I used it on a Genesis and it looked brand new in the end.
Believe this is talking about 'Goof Off':
If your to worried to use Magic Erasers in fear of scratching away the plastic, use this stuff on markers. I promise it works within 30 sec. It even removed marker names off the back N64 cart label. I found this trick on a youtube video.
Contacts on the games and in the system dirty?
I use 50/50 rubbing alcohol/water and qtips. I usually just do the contacts, but I go up and down, not side to side like that video shows. Seems to work better. If the cart itself is dirty, I will clean it also. But, I'm still super careful and use qtips to do spot cleaning, not just hose and scrub the whole cart.
I just gave my snes a thorough cleaning. Works great now.

I wrapped a credit card with an old thin tshirt and dipped it in alcohol. I stuck it in between the pins a few times, and dried it off the same way
PSA: FOR THOSE THAT NEED TO CLEAN GAMES

Alcohol is OK, but this stuff actually cleans the contacts: http://www.nintendorepairshop.com/products/81--1-Nintendo-Game-Cleaning-Kit/

Literally makes your contacts look new and work every single time.

Here is a video of the kit: http://youtu.be/LKxbE_EKmdM

I have used their kits for over 300 games.

3. Damn, wireless controllers back then sucked and these cords are too short, what should I do?
You could always look into buying an extension. I haven't used one myself but it should do the job.

http://compare.ebay.com/like/160648295880?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar
4. What's a fair price for a game?
http://videogames.pricecharting.com can be a good guide. It gives an updated list of how each game are selling in general.
5. I won't ever beat this game if I can't save it, this sucks. Can someone help me?
No modification to the cart shell at all. The key is finding a battery holder that has a low profile, as you're limited in the space you have.

Here's a pic of one of the first carts I modded:


In this picture, I didn't put the new battery in yet, but that's the most trivial task (haha). The old battery is sitting on the right side. In the case of this game, the battery was starting to leak.

Also, I must mention, and probably is what would interest people the most, is I have the ability to maintain your save files, (presuming the battery isn't completely dead). I have a retrode, and I can backup the save file (and even email it to you to use in emulators and what not) and restore the save after installing the new battery.

I use this battery holder:

http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=S8421-45Rvirtualkey57420000virtualkey855-S8421-45R

It does require some slight modification to use it though. It's a surface mount part, but the battery on the cart is a through hole component. You simply bend down the legs on the battery holder, and they're the perfect width, and you solder them in.

There was a guide somewhere (instructables, I think) that shows this better, but I don't have the link for it right now.

6. So there isn't any difference in this stuff is there? Games and systems are all the same, right?
Those of you who are looking for Konami and Capcom games should be aware of the Majesco re-releases. They come with black/white manuals and the cart labels are of lower quality. They are indentified by the "Assembled in Mexico" text on the back of box and cart.

Those of you looking into buying a US SNES console should go for the 1CHIP revision of the SNES. They can often be indentified by the serial number on the underside of the console. Serial UN309431*** - UN318299*** should be a 1CHIP, but there is no way to be certain other than to open up the console and check the board. Comparison shots:

*go to original post for pictures*
Also, if anyone is confused about getting a 1Chip SNES, or wants to know which SNES they have, heres a good guide to help you figure all that out. Mines a UN299943***, which i still dont really know what it is. But its probably not the good one.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvE57-VbN9_HdEpkUUR0U1hzMHFWVWw3VXhORHFIanc&output=html

7. Damn, Super Famicom games are cheaper, but all I have is this SNES. I don't have room for anything else, what can I do?

This is probably universally common knowledge, but in case you don't know already:

To play Japanese Super Famicom games on an American SNES, all you have to do is break off two small pieces of plastic in the system's cartidge slot. Once the cartridge makes full contact with the pins, it has no region protection.

This is a detailed explanation, but I just grabbed a pair of needle-nose plyers and bent the tabs back and forth until it snapped.
I can't speak from experience about the adapters, but since I just bought Earthbound and only have an SFC in this apartment, I'll definitely be buying one over the next couple of weeks. I'll post my impressions in this thread.

The SFC and PAL SNES both have the yellowing issue since they're made from the same type of plastic (and possibly even the same mould), but it's definitely less pronounce in Japan.

If you're still deciding between a PAL SNES or SFC, here is some direction/advice:

&#8226; SFC definitely works with US games, either by widening the cart slot or using an adapter;
&#8226; SFC is compatible with US plugs, PAL SNES requires transformer;
&#8226; SFC has same native resolution/framerate as US SNES, PAL SNES has different resolution;
&#8226; SFC is cheaper, due to collecting not really taking off in Japan;
&#8226; Importing a PAL SNES may be cheaper due to distance;
&#8226; PAL SNES controller cables are same length as US SNES cables, SFC cables are much shorter;
&#8226; Option of playing JPN-exclusive games "natively" on a SFC.

If you're in N.A. and choosing between a PAL SNES or SFC, there really is no question. Go for an SFC!

8. So glad that people don't try to pass off games as complete unaltered. Wait, they do?

Just have to really examine the sticker. A lot of the times they'll be a lot brighter/sharper than the real thing, as shown here:



The only way to be 100% sure is to get a tool to open the cart. If there are any wires on the inside, it's a fake.

Here's the inside of my Secret of Mana 2 repro so you can see what I mean:




They may not be exactly like that, but there will be zero wires in any legit cart.
With all the talk of fakes, might be a good time to think about what you guys do when you pick up new addition to your collection.

Abridged version - Every time I get a new SNES game, before it touches my system:

1) Examine exterior of cart for any signs of abuse or counterfeit
2) Open cart and examine PCB, battery connection, etc.
3) Clean PCB contacts with alcohol, and compressed air dust the rest
4) Clean inside and outside of cart while the PCB is removed
5) Reassemble
6) Test
7) Place connector cover on cart and properly care for and store any box/manuals/paper


Actually very simple and quick to do, and will help both games and consoles last longer. I haven't caught any fakes just yet, but I've restored many "poor" condition games into "almost like new" with just a little effort.
Wait, I should look inside?
EDIT: Found it. This is the one I have, bought from this exact seller. Even those prices have gone up apparently. I paid $4.57 shipped for it back in May. Nothing related to SNES is safe from skyrocketing prices.

9. What should I play on?
They sure do! Fancy ones too!

This PVM uses RGB, but if it's anything like the one I have, you can convert the inputs to component via the onscreen menu. If you're interested you can read up on it, and I posted a bit more here.

If you're specifically looking for a 40''+ CRT that uses component, there are screens like this
10. Where can I buy games locally?
Stolen from Nintendo Age forums, their list of retro stores:

Here's the thread for those looking for other states.
Like I said, if you want this removed, let me know. Or if you want it changed, can do that too. Just wanted to help out others that walked into this thread and might have the same questions.

QFT:
Cyborg Justice is the fucking shit. Anyone who hasn't played it, get it now. You are a robot, who can rip the arms/weapons off other robots and attach them to yourself. It's awesome.