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[Relaxed Muscle]

I'm hoping L

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ost

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astille

(one of the early environments) is shown during said Quick Look of the PC version. I want to see whether or not FROM fixed this:

This is not the only instance where they seemingly forgot about them having DBZ'd the moon for whatever reason. The difference in an end game area called D

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rangleic

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astle

is even more discernible, and I don't understand why this oversight slipped through from one retail build to the next after the recent patch. Couldn't have been a drastic measure to improve the framerate, because both locations were already perfectly stable on Xbox 360 (no clue about the PS3 version) prior to how it looks like today. It's not just my copy either; I've asked about this over at the Dark Souls II official thread and it has happened to others as well.

D

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rangleic

C

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astle

: before vs after. Do NOT click this if you're avoiding spoilers. Here's a screenshot of the missing lighting / skybox instead for those who are curious, a picture with hardly any distinguishable characteristics of the level itself.


Guess you'll be perfectly fine with the above then!

So the game is getting further downgraded even after it's release. That must be a new low in the industry.

 

[soontroll]

I'd rather we get video and impressions from people than cut up manufactured trailers.

The main reason why I want to see official footage is that it shows that From actually gives a crap about the PC audience.

 

[HRose]

So not only there was the downgrade. But now they are adding FURTHER downgrades via patches.

Whoever is the technical director at FROM should be sacked. It's just a chain of failures from DS PC release onward. It's just not believable that a game with that volume of sales can't get a decent engine.

 

[fluffydelusions]

I'm hoping L

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ost

B

Spoiler

astille

(one of the early environments) is shown during said Quick Look of the PC version. I want to see whether or not FROM fixed this:

This is not the only instance where they seemingly forgot about them having DBZ'd the moon for whatever reason. The difference in an end game area called D

Spoiler

rangleic

C

Spoiler

astle

is even more discernible, and I don't understand why this oversight slipped through from one retail build to the next after the recent patch. Couldn't have been a drastic measure to improve the framerate, because both locations were already perfectly stable on Xbox 360 (no clue about the PS3 version) prior to how it looks like today. It's not just my copy either; I've asked about this over at the Dark Souls II official thread and it has happened to others as well.

D

Spoiler

rangleic

C

Spoiler

astle

: before vs after. Do NOT click this if you're avoiding spoilers. Here's a screenshot of the missing lighting / skybox instead for those who are curious, a picture with hardly any distinguishable characteristics of the level itself.


Guess you'll be perfectly fine with the above then!

What is this madness. Looks like someone just used that little paintbucket tool in MS paint to fill the sky

 

[KarmaCow]

The main reason why I want to see official footage is that it shows that From actually gives a crap about the PC audience.

Wouldn't it be Bamco making the trailers?

 

[popyea]

What is this madness. Looks like someone just used that little paintbucket tool in MS paint to fill the sky

It's a missing texture, not a lazily created one.

 

[CountAntonius]

The main reason why I want to see official footage is that it shows that From actually gives a crap about the PC audience.

There is two blank videos on Steam that were added when they removed the older screenshots. Pretty sure those will be PC trailers.

 

[HRose]

It's a missing texture, not a lazily created one.

Nope, it's not just the skybox missing, but the whole reflection layer as well. It's quite a HUGE difference.

 

[Garcia]

True. I just expected something more official considering how close we are to release.

This is definitely what irks me the most.

 

[soontroll]

Wouldn't it be Bamco making the trailers?

I don't think that's relevant. My desire is to not have the PC audience continuously shafted. Whether it's FromSoft or Bamco that does this doesn't matter, though I should perhaps be more careful about who I'm blaming.

 

[Gbraga]

There is two blank videos on Steam that were added when they removed the older screenshots. Pretty sure those will be PC trailers.

I just noticed that. Maybe they'll be up tomorrow?

They did remove the bullshots, so they do care about showing only what can be expected now.

 

[popyea]

Nope, it's not just the skybox missing, but the whole reflection layer as well. It's quite a HUGE difference.

I didn't say it was just the skybox, my point was that they didn't add a flat dark blue texture to replace it.

 

[nbthedude]

WTF hahahahahahahahaha

So the game is getting further downgraded even after it's release. That must be a new low in the industry.

Actually this is a repeatable known glitch in Dark Souls 1. You can make the moon disappear in that game too. Kay observed it in her video and repeated it four or five times.

 

[Gbraga]

Actually this is a repeatable known glitch in Dark Souls 1. You can make the moon disappear in that game too. Kay observed it in her video and repeated it four or five times.

What, this is so awesome. They should let you destroy the moon with a lightning spear or something.

 

[CountAntonius]

I don't think that's relevant. My desire is to not have the PC audience continuously shafted. Whether it's FromSoft or Bamco that does this doesn't matter, though I should perhaps be more careful about who I'm blaming.

A long quicklook of unedited footage isn't enough to satisfy you? They need to waste money putting out a PC specific trailer so you don't feel shafted?

I really don't get it. We will probably have an onslaught of previews tomorrow who cares about another trailer? If we get it then cool but I sure as hell won't be insulted if we don't.

 

[Alo81]

I don't think that's relevant. My desire is to not have the PC audience continuously shafted. Whether it's FromSoft or Bamco that does this doesn't matter, though I should perhaps be more careful about who I'm blaming.

Honestly, I'd say long form video from unbiased games journalists is much better than a glitzed out homespun game trailer.

Namco has incentive to show the game in only the best light. Journalists have incentive to show the product exactly for what it really is.

 

[soontroll]

A long quicklook of unedited footage isn't enough to satisfy you? They need to waste money putting out a PC specific trailer so you don't feel shafted?

I really don't get it. We will probably have an onslaught of previews tomorrow who cares about another trailer? If we get it then cool but I sure as hell won't be insulted if we don't.

No I don't feel shattered or insulted. It's just a video game. I just don't think it's fair treatment to what the console gamers got.

 

[CountAntonius]

No I don't feel shattered or insulted. It's just a video game. I just don't think it's fair treatment to what the console gamers got.

We are seeing actual gameplay footage of the version we will buy weeks in advance. That's far more than the console gamers ever got.

 

[nbthedude]

What, this is so awesome. They should let you destroy the moon with a lightning spear or something.

Here's the link to the time stamp for the same Moon glitch Dark Souls 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJlN7jE6nk#t=1412

She even talks about the change in the luminosity from the moon.

 

[soontroll]

We are seeing actual gameplay footage of the version we will buy weeks in advance. That's far more than the console gamers ever got.

I'm pretty sure there were official trailers with retail graphics weeks before console release and early access builds as well.

Honestly, I'd say long form video from unbiased games journalists is much better than a glitzed out homespun game trailer.

Namco has incentive to show the game in only the best light. Journalists have incentive to show the product exactly for what it really is.

I suppose you're right. Maybe I just want any information at all and I'm just venting my frustration.

 

[EvaristeG]

I haven't played the game for a few days... did they actually downgraded the game even more through patching ? Or is it just footage from before the downgrade again ?

 

[Gbraga]

I haven't played the game for a few days... did they actually downgraded the game even more through patching ? Or is it just footage from before the downgrade again ?

It's a glitch

 

[Crab Milk Mickey]

I haven't played the game for a few days... did they actually downgraded the game even more through patching ? Or is it just footage from before the downgrade again ?

I'm expecting it to be a 'simple' mistake by FROM when they pushed out the patch. I can't imagine them willingly removing the moon like that, with it not being a Dark Souls 1-esque bug.

 

[RK9039]

Don't worry guys, the PS4 version will bring the moon back.

 

[PaulKersey]

Don't worry guys, the PS4 version will bring the moon back.

Only if you preorder from Gamestop. Power to the players.

 

[nbthedude]

Don't worry guys, the PS4 version will bring the moon back.

No, From and Scamco showed the Moon in the earlier version of the game and even kept it in for the launch then went and bait and switched everyone and yanked it out after the game was released. There was video footage of the moon in the game days ago.

 

[Timu]

It begins!!!

 

[Sammy Samusu]

They are so going to sell a definitive edition, what an evil scheme.

 

[Finn of Ooo]

GAF would tell you otherwise: you havent seen the 32 threads on the subject of downgrades in the last 2 months?

It's more like people don't like being lied to, it's one thing to have poor graphics, but another to actively mislead people.

 

[legacyzero]

They are so going to sell a definitive edition, what an evil scheme.

Thats my assumption.

 

[CadetMahoney]

Now they are adding FURTHER downgrades via patches.

Teh butthurt was not enough.

More butts need to be in teh hurts to the butthurt God.

60fps webm format full glitch video with audio incoming.

 

[cerulily]

This HAS to be a bug.. why would they remove the entire skybox?

 

[Garcia]

This HAS to be a bug.. why would they remove the entire skybox?

To have parity with the soon to be released PC version.

Spoiler

WE DIED.

 

[-MD-]

They are so going to sell a definitive edition, what an evil scheme.

If they give PC a gimped version and put out a better version on any available console I'll never give them another dime.

 

[nbthedude]

If they give PC a gimped version and put out a better version on any available console I'll never give them another dime.

Me too.

Well, unless they release another game I want to play. I like to buy games I want to play.

 

[CountAntonius]

One completely different set of publisher and developer release one definitive edition and all of a sudden every game that doesn't look as good as it did during development warrants a conspiracy theory.

 

[impact]

If they give PC a gimped version and put out a better version on any available console I'll never give them another dime.

THIS!!!

Until Demons Souls 2

 

[nbthedude]

One completely different set of publisher and developer release one definitive edition and all of a sudden every game that doesn't look as good as it did during development warrants a conspiracy theory.

Naught Dog, more like Shoddy Dog. Fuckers released Last of Us shit framerate version just to sells us PS4 version.

 

[iRAWRasaurus]

Naught Dog, more like Shoddy Dog. Fuckers released Last of Us shit framerate version just to sells us PS4 version.

Dont forget about Tomb Raider!

 

[Grief.exe]

Naught Dog, more like Shoddy Dog. Fuckers released Last of Us shit framerate version just to sells us PS4 version.

...PS4 was far from released when Last of Us came out.

Hats off to Sony for giving PS3 the legs it deserves rather than holding projects solely to sell PS4 consoles.

 

[anchorman128]

...PS4 was far from released when Last of Us came out.

Hats off to Sony for giving PS3 the legs it deserves rather than holding projects solely to sell PS4 consoles.

QFT, how many GOTY contending critically acclaimed games came out that late during the cycle of any other system. I can only really think of Twilight Princess, which was mainly on Gamecube because that's where it started development.

 

[Rodney McKay]

Excellent! I won't actually watch it myself to avoid teh spoilerz, but I'm sure Gaf's technical graphic masters will be able to provide enough insight from the video to let me know how it is! (or at the very least a few short comparison gifs)

 

[Garcia]

Related (some mild spoilers ahead):

How we were lied to about Dark Souls 2


It's a 12 minute video that pretty much sums up most of the observations we've been doing for weeks already. Around minute 4:40 the comparisons between the beta and retail are (literally) like night and day.

 

[legacyzero]

Related video:

How we were lied to about Dark Souls 2


It's a 12 minute video that pretty much sums up most of the observations we've been doing for weeks already. Around minute 4:40 the comparisons between the beta and retail are (literally) like night and day.

I was a guest on Fungo's video podcast a week ago where we spoke about this. Its all about expectations, and setting them properly. I just don't see where From did that at all. He gave the game a great review, but mainly because the game supposedly plays great.

But graphically, its just a mess.

 

[krakov]

Hey guys, the moon is back.

 

[-MD-]

Me too.

Well, unless they release another game I want to play. I like to buy games I want to play.

Naught Dog, more like Shoddy Dog. Fuckers released Last of Us shit framerate version just to sells us PS4 version.

You're embarrassing yourself with this.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Naught Dog, more like Shoddy Dog. Fuckers released Last of Us shit framerate version just to sells us PS4 version.

hahaha.

oh, internet.

 

[Comfort Jones]

Naught Dog, more like Shoddy Dog. Fuckers released Last of Us shit framerate version just to sells us PS4 version.

You really think...that was the business plan there?

I'm not even a big fan of that game (ok not a fan at all honestly) and that still comes across as ludicrous.

 

[Trey]

QFT, how many GOTY contending critically acclaimed games came out that late during the cycle of any other system. I can only really think of Twilight Princess, which was mainly on Gamecube because that's where it started development.

God of War and Shadow of the Colossus have been referred to as swan song games.

 

[Eusis]

LOL. I fully accept the fact that I'm probably wrong, but that GIF is too good.

Better SSAO is probably the best you can hope for really. But that might well be enough to make it a lot closer to what it originally was for some people anyway. I tend to find the effect too subtle to care about for the potential performance hit though.