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[Kintaro]

I love me some fan service games. I don't take them seriously, they're usually hilarious to me, can be fun to play and some of them can be genuinely cute.

Glad to see more of them. =)

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Pedophiles are wrong for molesting or raping children, they are not wrong for being sexually attracted to them because they didn't chose to be.

Christ, there is a defense force for everything.

 

[HolyBaikal]

if this isn't what the topic is about I don't know why every thread inevitably moves this direction =P

I don't know why these topics always seem to become about this. But I wish they wouldn't. :<

I can understand it happening sometimes. But every time is a bit much.

 

[Crash Station]

Christ, there is a defense force for everything.

So you believe in thought crimes?

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

So you believe in thought crimes?

I didn't call it a crime.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Christ, there is a defense force for everything.

This is exactly what I am talking about, the demonization of these people. Yes it is wrong when they act on their urges, but it is almost impossible for the ones that don't, or haven't acted on their urges to get help because it's "wrong" for them to have feelings that they can't control. They didn't chose to be attracted to children and society should be trying to help these people so that they don't act on their urges, not demonizing them.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

Pedophiles are wrong for molesting or raping children, they are not wrong for being sexually attracted to them because they didn't chose to be.

Yeah, I'm gonna say that it's wrong to be sexually attracted to kids, even if you can't control it. It's wrong to want to kill someone because of a delusion, even if you don't act on that desire and even though you didn't choose to have the delusion. Maybe that doesn't deserve criminal liability, but it doesn't mean we should all just shrug and say "sucks to be you, please don't actually kill/molest"

 

[Tye The Czar]

Pedophiles are wrong for molesting or raping children, they are not wrong for being sexually attracted to them because they didn't chose to be.

I guess you mean their pedophilia makes them aroused against any common sense, or is involuntary?

 

[Crash Station]

I didn't call it a crime.

Well, you're free to believe what you want and I can't exactly chastise you for thinking a way many others do. I just think it would be nice to empathize with people that haven't done anything wrong despite having an attraction they can't control.


Was this thread about video games or something?

 

[HolyBaikal]

I don't like the 'p word', it makes me nervous. And people seem to have different ideas of what it means.

Some people think it means just an attraction to a body type that people were born with like a sexuality, like being heterosexual. While other people think it means being a horrible and awful rapist.

If being a pedophile is just an attraction to a body type. What about transhumanism? If an adult chose to have a childlike body would someone who has sex with them a pedophile? That might be possible with technology and people would have more outlets and be able to have sex with actual people rather than just playing video games and things like that.

Would a pedophile be happy because someone has the body type they're attracted to? Or is age important, too?

Oh goodness, this discussion is making me very nervous and uncomfortable. I should stop.

 

[Dragonborn]

I guess you mean their pedophilia makes them aroused against any common sense, or is involuntary?

I was under the impression that it's involuntary attraction. Just like heterosexual people are attracted to the opposite sex and homosexual people are attracted to the same. I guess it's just the way their minds are wired?

Acting on it, however, is not involuntary and absolutely wrong.

 

[cajunator]

Hooray for smut!
*bounces

 

[ArchedThunder]

Yeah, I'm gonna say that it's wrong to be sexually attracted to kids, even if you can't control it. It's wrong to want to kill someone because of a delusion, even if you don't act on that desire and even though you didn't choose to have the delusion. Maybe that doesn't deserve criminal liability, but it doesn't mean we should all just shrug and say "sucks to be you, please don't actually kill/molest"

Which is why I've been saying that we should make it easy for these people to get help.

I guess you mean their pedophilia makes them aroused against any common sense, or is involuntary?

Imagine if you were only sexually attracted to one kind of person. Now imagine if you can't ever be with that kind of person because it is illegal, you will be seen as one of the worst scumbags on earth and there is a high chance that you will be murdered, either in or outside of prison because of it. It isn't hard to see why these people become sexually frustrated without proper help.

 

[HolyBaikal]

because it is illegal

Or because it's a horrible and cruel thing that no one should ever do to someone. :/

 

[Crash Station]

Yeah, I'm gonna say that it's wrong to be sexually attracted to kids, even if you can't control it. It's wrong to want to kill someone because of a delusion, even if you don't act on that desire and even though you didn't choose to have the delusion. Maybe that doesn't deserve criminal liability, but it doesn't mean we should all just shrug and say "sucks to be you, please don't actually kill/molest"

Look at it this way. Say you're a straight male. What's stopping you from raping random women you see on the street to appease your desires? A moral compass, self control, etc. By your assertion, that seems to be something pedophiles are incapable of having. Obviously some of them don't, just like some people with legal tastes don't.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

Which is why I've been saying that we should make it easy for these people to get help.

Imagine if you were only sexually attracted to one kind of person. Now imagine if you can't ever be with that kind of person because it is illegal, you will be seen as one of the worst scumbags on earth and there is a high chance that you will be murdered, either in or outside of prison because of it. It isn't hard to see why these people become sexually frustrated without proper help.

But, to get back to the original point, that also doesn't mean we should be gracious and allowing of such material to permeate video games and anime.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Or because it's a horrible and cruel thing that no one should ever do to someone. :/

Yes, that just adds to the sexual frustration of these people. Help should be easier for them to get.

 

[Kintaro]

Tone of the topic changes right when I post something positive and light-hearted! =x

 

[Crash Station]

But, to get back to the original point, that also doesn't mean we should be gracious and allowing of such material to permeate video games and anime.

That's a better argument. It shouldn't stop existing, but it shouldn't be normalized either.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Yes, that just adds to the sexual frustration of these people. Help should be easier for them to get.

Gotta be honest with you, buddy: if all that gets them off is an 8-year-old, help is going to be real tough to find.

 

[Dragonborn]

But, to get back to the original point, that also doesn't mean we should be gracious and allowing of such material to permeate video games and anime.

It harms no one and no one should dictate what other people watch, play, read etc. Devs should make the games they want and people can play the games they choose.

 

[Wonko_C]

The recent trend towards sexualizing children, sexually assaulting women, hyper-cute scenes all are murdering the games market in japan.

One of these things is not like the others.

 

[Shingro]

Well, it depends on what defines as misogyny.
There are many feminist women who are masochists.

I don't think by and large people who feel this way hold overty sexist beliefs, though I'm sure that some of them do.

More, most people internalize racist and sexist belief that they don't even realize. Women, when being asked to do a test, and fill out their gender, score lower statistically on math and science, just from filling out a question about their gender.

Race and gender both play a role it how people perceive themselves, based upon society. And influences how they score on academic tests, just being remembering it.

If this is true of education, I'm sure that it's true to some degree of sexuality and an influence or sadistic or masochistic feelings. I don't think I would say that women who are masochists "hold misogynistic beliefs". But I would say that everyone in society has internalized misogynistic beliefs, including even the most radical of feminists.


Well, I think that wanting to rape someone is more than personally distasteful. That rape is bad isn't a personal feeling. It's a horrible and awful violence. And rape is a widespread problem.

And I think that these desires must come from somewhere. And since it's a part of a social trend, I don't think it can be explained by poor people with injuries causing them problems in being able to feel empathy.


It depends on your idea of what free will is.

If free will means indeterminism and that the mind is separate from cause and effect. Then no, I don't think that's scientifically sound. Free will doesn't exist, for anyone or anything that exists in this universe. At the quantum level, there is some probability rather than certainty. But the vast majority of everything is deterministic. And probabilistic wouldn't mean that free will exists, it would mean that behavior would be caused by random chance and probability rather than cause and effect, not free will.

We are all subject to the results of cause and effect. We are all here and doing exactly what we're doing now because of trillions and trillions of causes and effects. And something that is only probabilistic rather than deterministic, only at the tiniest level that doesn't fit with the rest of physics which is completely cause and effect.

The kind of "free will" that personal choice is more important to making decisions than cause and effect simply make sense with the laws of physics. People make choice, but people's choices and feelings come from somewhere and people don't have unlimited choices.

As for the free will meaning that they simply had a choice and no one was forcing them to do anything. Of course it was their choice, in some cultures women have had no free will to choose at all, as their lives were decided by their families and society. But that free will doesn't change the fact that everyone is influenced and become who they are because of things and people around them that influence them and change what choices they have.

In the case of seeing trends like fat women being unhappy with their bodies, or a tendency for men to be seen as dominant, or black women being unhappy with their bodies, free will isn't the only thing making this happy. Society is teaching people things. And not all of those things are healthy.

It doesn't mean everyone who feels things like this is bad. It means there's something wrong in society. And yes, there's something wrong with women and people of colour not liking themselves.

tragiclly, I've got work super early and I won't have time to really give this post the attention it needs, hopefully we'll remain unlocked by the time work's over tomorrow, but if not I'll pm you a considered response, the only two things that stand out to me is that the second quote of mine got clipped, but that's totally understandable because looking back on it that sentence was a trainwreck.

Secondly I think it might be worth asking some people what it is they find appealing about bondage. Ironically Ar Tonelico 3 had a great little ditty on it. Important themes were about how she (the character) giving up some level of authority to another is her ultimate sign of trust. That she can feel safe knowing this other character is the one who holds her 'chain'.

Now that's certainly not everyone, and I'm sure that can be seen as some terrible patriarchal brainwashing, but I also don't see any reason that should be seen as any more "Bad" or "Wrong" as wanting to be in a position of authority. Men can like dominant women, or they can like submissive women. Women should be allowed the same privilege for equality's sake without having to defend their position as if it was some sort of "unnatural" thing that was pushed on them.

Anywho, fingers crossed for this thread's health. It might be the best discussion the topic's ever created, and with such an inflammatory title too!

 

[fedexpeon]

Wow...This thread has become a debate about pedophilia?

And man, this is eerily. I can't believe I didn't notice it sooner.
ArchedThunder posts are like something I read in years past about homosexual rights, and the negative reactions from his posts are very similar to be against it.
"Your body can't help it===>Go get help, and correct yourself."

 

[Crash Station]

Gotta be honest with you, buddy: if all that gets them off is an 8-year-old, help is going to be real tough to find.

Help could mean a lot of things. It doesn't necessarily have to be trying to alter one's preferences. It could be as simple as taking libido-reducing medication so someone feels no attraction at all, essentially turning them asexual.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

Look at it this way. Say you're a straight male. What's stopping you from raping random women you see on the street to appease your desires? A moral compass, self control, etc. By your assertion, that seems to be something pedophiles are incapable of having. Obviously some of them don't, just like some people with legal tastes don't.

It's possible for someone who is in to extremely degrading or violent sexual acts to perform those acts with a consenting adult. Thus, it's possible to act on a rape fantasy without doing anything immoral. It's not possible for a pedophile to morally act on their desires, thus those desires are immoral.

Two possible counters: (1) if two adults are consenting, then no matter how rough their play it's not really rape. Sure. But how many people desire to commit the crime of rape rather than to sexually dominate someone? If their desire is such that it is not actually satisfied if they know deep down that the other party is consenting, then I'm ok with calling that desire fucked up and immoral too.

(2) a pedophile could perhaps legally act upon their desires with someone over the age of consent. True, but that doesn't rehabilitate them much in my eyes. Someone in their 50s having sex with an 18 year old is still gross and fraught with problems.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Gotta be honest with you, buddy: if all that gets them off is an 8-year-old, help is going to be real tough to find.

Help exists, and it has existed for years. It's just hard for them to seek it out because of the demonization, and most people, like yourself, don't even know that help exists.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

Look at it this way. Say you're a straight male. What's stopping you from raping random women you see on the street to appease your desires? A moral compass, self control, etc. By your assertion, that seems to be something pedophiles are incapable of having. Obviously some of them don't, just like some people with legal tastes don't.

Wait, I forgot the most obvious point. I don't desire to rape a woman just because she is female and I am male and I'm a heterosexual. There is no danger of me doing so because I do not desire to do so. Sex is fun because both people want it. I actually get turned off if I don't think my partner is into it. So I can act on my desires and no moral compass or self control comes into the picture. A pedophile can't do that.

 

[The Technomancer]

tragiclly, I've got work super early and I won't have time to really give this post the attention it needs, hopefully we'll remain unlocked by the time work's over tomorrow, but if not I'll pm you a considered response, the only two things that stand out to me is that the second quote of mine got clipped, but that's totally understandable because looking back on it that sentence was a trainwreck.

Secondly I think it might be worth asking some people what it is they find appealing about bondage. Ironically Ar Tonelico 3 had a great little ditty on it. Important themes were about how she (the character) giving up some level of authority to another is her ultimate sign of trust. That she can feel safe knowing this other character is the one who holds her 'chain'.

Now that's certainly not everyone, and I'm sure that can be seen as some terrible patriarchal brainwashing, but I also don't see any reason that should be seen as any more "Bad" or "Wrong" as wanting to be in a position of authority. Men can like dominant women, or they can like submissive women. Women should be allowed the same privilege for equality's sake without having to defend their position as if it was some sort of "unnatural" thing that was pushed on them.

Anywho, fingers crossed for this thread's health. It might be the best discussion the topic's ever created, and with such an inflammatory title too!

I also have to go as I have work in the morning, but my brief response to this is that while bondage and power and submission fantasies can certainly be healthy and enjoyable there is something distasteful about say, fantasizing about really having forceful control over someone or even about really craving to actually, say, be raped. And the only reason I bring this up is because its where the things like BDSM start to deviate from things like attraction to young girls or "innocence/purity fetishism" come up. There's something distasteful about the latter IMO, just because of how, by nature, asymmetric it is.

 

[Crash Station]

It's possible for someone who is in to extremely degrading or violent sexual acts to perform those acts with a consenting adult. Thus, it's possible to act on a rape fantasy without doing anything immoral. It's not possible for a pedophile to morally act on their desires, thus those desires are immoral.

Two possible counters: (1) if two adults are consenting, then no matter how rough their play it's not really rape. Sure. But how many people desire to commit the crime of rape rather than to sexually dominate someone? If their desire is such that it is not actually satisfied if they know deep down that the other party is consenting, then I'm ok with calling that desire fucked up and immoral too.

(2) a pedophile could perhaps legally act upon their desires with someone over the age of consent. True, but that doesn't rehabilitate them much in my eyes. Someone in their 50s having sex with an 18 year old is still gross and fraught with problems.

You're correct, rape role play exists, but that wasn't actually what I was getting it. I worded it poorly, so I apologize for that. Rather than the act of raping being arousing to someone, I was more talking about the need to have sex. The solution: don't. Sex is a big part of life, but it's not something everyone needs to stay alive or there wouldn't be 90 year old virgins or asexuals. There are outlets like (as gross as it sounds) imagination or some Japanese stuff. You can totally get through life just jacking off.

 

[Dragonborn]

Wait, I forgot the most obvious point. I don't desire to rape a woman just because she is female and I am male and I'm a heterosexual. There is no danger of me doing so because I do not desire to do so. Sex is fun because both people want it. I actually get turned off if I don't think my partner is into it. So I can act on my desires and no moral compass or self control comes into the picture. A pedophile can't do that.

They can't do that but they don't have to either. Unless I'm mistaken, you seem to be implying that being a pedophile automatically means they'll abuse children. Now I'm no expert, but I'm pretty certain that isn't the case.

As you said, you would never rape another, the majority of people wouldn't. But there's always bad apples in the bunch. Most pedophiles probably wouldn't hurt kids, but there's some that do.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Wait, I forgot the most obvious point. I don't desire to rape a woman just because she is female and I am male and I'm a heterosexual. There is no danger of me doing so because I do not desire to do so. Sex is fun because both people want it. I actually get turned off if I don't think my partner is into it. So I can act on my desires and no moral compass or self control comes into the picture. A pedophile can't do that.

It's also not looked down upon, illegal or immoral to have sex with an adult woman. You don't get the sexual frustration that these people have to go through every day of their lives, you are still looking at it from your point of view. Put your self in their shoes.

 

[killatopak]

i wonder how old this poster is:
"^thanks dude. omitted ages is fine. it's between us and our perverted minds. "

probably wouldn't be "perverted" if they were a high schooler/middle schooler

i dunno, it's just weird when I'm at gamestop and the balding, 30 something clerk is telling me how awesome Persona 4 Golden is, when it's a game that's like 50% about picking up high schoolers.

I can sympathize with the clerk though. It is awesome and I always want to be young at heart. Besides there are other reasons for liking the game besides the waifus.

 

[Tye The Czar]

What's changed OP, is that the geek have inherited the Japanese Gaming Industry.

To be specific, the otaku, or obsessive fans. This, combined with Japan's notorious salaryman culture(all work and no play when you grow up) and declining birthrate(less kids playing games, which used to be their biggest market I assume) are contributing to the current state.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Wow...This thread has become a debate about pedophilia?

And man, this is eerily. I can't believe I didn't notice it sooner.
ArchedThunder posts are like something I read in years past about homosexual rights, and the negative reactions from his posts are very similar to be against it.
"Your body can't help it===>Go get help, and correct yourself."

It's sad, but true. The problem is that it will never be okay for a pedophile to have sexual relations with a child because they are a child. The best thing we can do is not demonize them and help them. Demonizing them only increases the stress put on them and can increase the chances of them acting. I'm also not talking about trying to "correct" their sexuality either, "help" for them is therapy to get their urges under control along with hormone injections to keep their libido low.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

They can't do that but they don't have to either. Unless I'm mistaken, you seem to be implying that being a pedophile automatically means they'll abuse children. Now I'm no expert, but I'm pretty certain that isn't the case.

As you said, you would never rape another, the majority of people wouldn't. But there's always bad apples in the bunch. Most pedophiles probably wouldn't hurt kids, but there's some that do.

No, I'm saying that being a pedophile means they desire to do an immoral act, and it's ok to think they are immoral for having those desires, even if they didn't choose to have those desires and even if they never act on them.

Basically, desiring to do something immoral is immoral.

 

[Dragonborn]

No, I'm saying that being a pedophile means they desire to do an immoral act, and it's ok to think they are immoral for having those desires, even if they didn't choose to have those desires and even if they never act on them.

I see your point but I guess we just view things differently. There's nothing they can do about the way they feel. While obviously the act is immoral, just having an attraction isn't what I'd consider immoral (so long as they don't act on it). I'd rather they received help because I personally feel that would lower the chance of them falling into acting on it.

 

[ArchedThunder]

No, I'm saying that being a pedophile means they desire to do an immoral act, and it's ok to think they are immoral for having those desires, even if they didn't choose to have those desires and even if they never act on them.

Thoughts and desires are never immoral, it is actions that are. You can think or desire something immoral without ever committing an immoral act.

 

[HolyBaikal]

I don't understand why someone would be born with an attraction to an age. It doesn't seem like something like homosexual or heterosexuality.

I can understand body type. Most people's sexuality I think has to do with body type.

But I think that most people are attracted to people from a lot of age groups in sexuality. But a lot of people date people around their age because they relate to them more. Or don't date people of a certain age because they know it's immoral.

It doesn't seem like to me that attraction to an age is really a sexuality. It seems like wanting to take advantage of someone. I don't think you're born with an attraction to an age. And I don't quite understand how that would work.

 

[ArchedThunder]

I don't understand why someone would be born with an attraction to an age. It doesn't seem like something like homosexual or heterosexuality.

I can understand body type. Most people's sexuality I think has to do with body type.

But I think that most people are attracted to people from a lot of age groups in sexuality. But a lot of people date people around their age because they relate to them more. Or don't date people of a certain age because they know it's immoral.

It doesn't seem like to me that attraction to an age is really a sexuality. It seems like wanting to take advantage of someone. I don't think you're born with an attraction to an age. And I don't quite understand how that would work.

Why would someone be born attracted to the same sex, both sexes, or something non-human? Because it just happens. It is a sexuality. Plain.And.Simple. Their sexual desires revolve around children. That is the definition of sexuality.

 

[Crash Station]

I don't understand why someone would be born with an attraction to an age. It doesn't seem like something like homosexual or heterosexuality.

Here's a part of an article I found.

What do we know about where pedophilia comes from?

The best current evidence suggests that pedophilia results from atypical wiring in the brain. This field of research is still very new, but it appears that there exists what could be considered a “cross-wiring” in the brain anatomy that is responsible for controlling natural social instincts or behavior. Although learning happens after birth, humans are pre-wired to recognize and respond to certain stimuli. It seems, from research conducted thus far, that stimuli that usually elicits nurturing and protective responses in most adults are instead eliciting sexual responses in pedophiles.

So are pedophiles “born that way”?

In studies, pedophiles show signs that their sexual interests are related to brain structure and that at least some differences existed in their brains before birth. For example, pedophiles show greatly elevated rates of non-right-handedness and minor physical anomalies. Thus, although pedophilia should never be confused with homosexuality, pedophilia can be meaningfully described as a sexual orientation. Scientists have more specifically called it an “age orientation.” Caution has to be used, however, so as not to confuse the scientific use of the phrase “sexual orientation” with its use in law. Because the phrase “sexual orientation” has been used as shorthand (or as a euphemism) for homosexuality, there exist laws and policies barring discrimination on the basis of “sexual orientation.” These were not likely intended to refer to pedophilia.

So basically, it's complicated and sciency.

 

[oSoLucky]

It harms no one and no one should dictate what other people watch, play, read etc. Devs should make the games they want and people can play the games they choose.

I understand what you're saying, but it sucks being put off of good games purely because of the imagery that is chosen by the developers. I guess there are probably more people buying said games than ones like me that pass on them for this reason though, so no reason to stop from a business standpoint.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

This thread really turned dark while I was gone.

It harms no one and no one should dictate what other people watch, play, read etc. Devs should make the games they want and people can play the games they choose.

Exactly, if there's people willing to buy the games and the numbers are doing well enough, then they should keep being made.

Thoughts and desires are never immoral, it is actions that are. You can think or desire something immoral without ever committing an immoral act.

This soooo much.

But I think that most people are attracted to people from a lot of age groups in sexuality. But a lot of people date people around their age because they relate to them more. Or don't date people of a certain age because they know it's immoral.

I feel that way, I'm bisexual and I'm definitely attracted to different age groups, and yet I settled down with my awesome fiance, she's 2 years younger than me(I'm 25) and I could not be happier.

Hell, I find some REALLY old people really attractive.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

I understand what you're saying, but it sucks being put off of good games purely because of the imagery that is chosen by the developers. I guess there are probably more people buying said games than ones like me that pass on them for this reason though, so no reason to stop from a business standpoint.

It's not that there are more otaku than regular people that like games (and this is moving away from all the talk about pedophiles, I'm not necessarily equating otaku with pedophiles here) it's that they are a known quantity with specific desires. It's easy to pander to those desires, give them what they want, and get them to open their wallets. There are many more people in the general population, but they are harder to satisfy.

 

[encephalon]

Bingo.

Otaku are a same-size fish in a shrinking pond, ESPECIALLY in Japan and much of that remaining pond is venerable series such as FF and Tales. The rest is at the mercy of cold business calculations as slipping in loli-looking characters in otherwise quality respectable series as otaku bait as not doing so can honestly be seen now as legitimately dangerous. The rest of us who buy these games just don't look at that, to our own personal extents, to get to the other 99% of these quality titles.

Then there are those who went farther as is what companies like NI did who went deep in both Shirley Temple Hentai looks and lobotomized moe narratives. You can't follow that if you're not a fan of that stuff. You just can't.

The only way this will change is if J-games with regular levels of relatable sexual/adult events or light and colorful narrative become common successes, then the temptation won't exist any more to ensure a small but predictable group is catered to in a majority of titles, and it goes back to the small minority it once was. Until then though, it's this or specifically grim dark series like Souls with very little in between.

Oh my god, thank you for saying this because this has been bothering me so much. I'm simultaneously looking forward to Sen 2 and wondering if someone will get the wrong idea if I buy the game in store.

 

[Crash Station]

Hell, I find some REALLY old people really attractive.

Like... like corpses?

 

[RedSwirl]

Maybe more are getting localized because those kinds of games take up a greater percentage of high-profile Japanese games than ever before.

Because of the economy as of recent, many Japanese media industries have chosen to increasingly bet on the most obsessive fans, and that kind of stuff seems to be what the obsessive fans like. It's considered unusual even by mainstream Japanese consumers. This is the opposite of the reaction western developers have had -- inflate budgets to appeal to wider audiences.

At this point you probably gotta go through the market with a fine-toothed comb to find high-profile Japanese games that aren't otaku-oriented, outside the big Japanese publishers.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Like... like corpses?

Zombie waifus are a thing now.

 

[oSoLucky]

It's not that there are more otaku than regular people that like games (and this is moving away from all the talk about pedophiles, I'm not necessarily equating otaku with pedophiles here) it's that they are a known quantity with specific desires. It's easy to pander to those desires, give them what they want, and get them to open their wallets. There are many more people in the general population, but they are harder to satisfy.

Most of the same developers are making niche games, not games for the general population though, so I would imagine that the percentage of people with those desires that also play anime styled games(typically made by Eastern companies) is disproportionately high. I personally like a lot of niche Japanese games, but not the content present in some of them, so I was stating how that keeps me from playing a lot of games that I would otherwise be thrilled to try.

Oh well, there are still hundreds of other games made every year for the crowd with less specific tastes, so it's not the end of the world. Also, there are more and more getting localized recently, and it's not as if these games are preventing others from being made. The even bigger problem in my eyes is the social stigma that gets reinforced every time someone goes through an electronics section or a video game store and sees the box art for Senran Kagura or Hyperdimension Neptunia. I don't like the fact that sometimes those visions are associated when someone new finds out that I'm into video games.

 

[ShinMaruku]

why bother? skyrim already has numerous XXX "loli" mods with totally naked little girls (children, as in pedophilia.) that is a western game btw. as much as I can acknowledge such perversion in japanese culture, it would be willful ignorance to say that american culture is not just as bad.

You have to mod for that.