Jon Neu
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That's not true. UE5 demo on PS5 is 1440p native upscaled to 4K.
It’s 1440p and 30fps because the PS5 is not powerful enough to move it at 4K and 60 fps.
That's not true. UE5 demo on PS5 is 1440p native upscaled to 4K.
It’s 1440p and 30fps because the PS5 is not powerful enough to move it at 4K and 60 fps.
The PC already showed how incredibly unrealistic that render target with the available performance is beyond small-scope projects.
We are reaching peak concern trolling levels.
Seeing the reactions of the Sony fanboys, means that MS is in the right path with the Series S.
Then how do expect a 4TF slow I/O xss to fare?
Ofc.....but at 4k / 30 let alone 60 we simply can`t expect a generational leap in visual fidelity. That´s why we already start hearing about different modes like "1440p high graphics" for some games.I’m sure a lot of games are going to be 4K on the bigger consoles, some even AAA games too.
A developer weighs in on Xbox Series S. Pretty much series S won't be holding Series X back.
720-900p boom done.Ofc.....but at 4k / 30 let alone 60 we simply can`t expect a generational leap in visual fidelity. That´s why we already start hearing about different modes like "1440p high graphics" for some games.
4k / 30+ for a large scope game with all the RT splendor activated, massively increased object density etc is just unrealistic for a 12tf~turing level GPU, let alone a 10TF one.
What´s a 4tf box like the XSS going to do when the XSX would have to drop down to ~1440p to get that next gen look across?
AMD doesn´t seem to have something on the level of DLSS to upscale below FHD material with good results.
4TF for a 4 times less resolution are actually more much efficient than 10 teraflops.
Add a better CPU and you pretty much have a better perfomance.
Congrats on not reading what you answer to....720-900p boom done.
Congrats on not reading what you answer to....
=> "AMD doesn´t seem to have something on the level of DLSS to upscale below FHD material with good results. "
720p in 2025 with 4k TVs being the vast majority...... k
Then how do expect a 4TF, little RAM, slow I/O xss to fare?
1440p upscaled to 4K, and Digital Foundry couldn't tell it was 1440p anyway because of how good the upscaler is. This is the kind of next-gen game we should expect. As for the fps, Epic said they will continue to optimize for the PS5 to achieve 60fps.
Oh I read just fine. You saying something doesn't make it true.Congrats on not reading what you answer to....
=> "AMD doesn´t seem to have something on the level of DLSS to upscale below FHD material with good results. "
720p in 2025 with 4k TVs being the vast majority...... k
Please enlighten us as to what miracle product AMD has up its sleeve to match DLSS 2.0....because you seem to be the only one who knows about it.Oh I read just fine. You saying something doesn't make it true.
Yeah on something they paid 300$ for 5 years ago seems like they got what they paid for. I bet most gamepass games will run just fine in 2025.
Why does it have to match anything? It's the cheap box. Want higher res. Pay more money. This box is not for you I can tell so maybe stfu about it? Your comments are about as useless as the op.Please enlighten us as to what miracle product AMD has up its sleeve to match DLSS 2.0....because you seem to be the only one that knows about it.
MS just made this box the next gen base........are you too dense to realize the consequences? You can`t sell games that run or look like shit on that thing because it will be in millions of households....Why does it have to match anything? It's the cheap box. Want higher res. Pay more money. This box is not for you I can tell so maybe stfu about it? Your comments are about as useless as the op.
wow...just wow.
I sincerely hope this is just a really weak attempt to be funny....
accurately describes your technical understanding juddging from what you wrote there....
It's so close it won't even matter. It's the same family CPU with a very slightly clock speed disadvantage. You barely get any difference on PC with that disparity of clock speeds.
So now software upscaling can't improve in 5 years? Isn't ms working on software ml upscaling? They are also working on cloud upscaling. There is no consequence to the S. only silly people trying to spread fud to confuse dumb people.MS just made this box the next gen base........are you too dense to realize the consequences? You can`t sell games that run or look like shit on that thing because it will be in millions of households....
Something like 720p in 2025 is simply not an option if it looks like....720p.
What's the worst that could happen then? Sony would have to work harder to compete? Proper PS1/2/3 BC? Sony put more effort into their first party output in the PS3 days.
In the future everything will be better, guaranteed......you`ve watched too many Phil Spencer interviews.So now software upscaling can't improve in 5 years?
ah, the power of the cloud. Where have we heard that before...Isn't ms working on software ml upscaling? They are also working on cloud upscaling.
"everyone with a different opinion is stupid"....... ever heard of the Dunning Kruger syndrome?There is no consequence to the S. only silly people trying to spread fud to confuse dumb people.
Then how do expect a 4TF, little RAM, slow I/O xss to fare?
Cloud is doing really well for flight sim.In the future everything will be better, guaranteed......you`ve watched too many Phil Spencer interviews.
ah, the power of the cloud. Where have we heard that before...
But, yes, I sure hope that MS ands/or AMD are working on a software solution here, because they already really blew it from a hardware perspective
"i´m the only one who`s right, everybody else doesn´t know anything"....... ever heard of the Dunning Kruger syndrome?
Streaming base data for object creation is one thing...but using remote computation mid frame in the 1-2ms range is horrible horrible nonsense.....Cloud is doing really well for flight sim.
The hardware of that base console is fix unfortunately. So better hope AMD/MS are working on somtehing comparable to Nvidia`s tech here.Technology getting better in the future? Unheard of
All I read here is "scaling"....but that has pretty abrupt limits if visual parity is demanded.I'm not the only person saying this. Actually this thread is probably more people arguing against what you are saying.
DirectML maybe?Streaming base data for object creation is one thing...but using remote computation mid frame in the 1-2ms range is horrible horrible nonsense.....
The hardware of that base console is fix unfortunately. So better hope AMD/MS are working on somtehing comparable to Nvidia`s tech here.
Also 5 minutes ago you were saying 720p would be ok, and now it`s "ms will fix this with software"..... pretty flexible goalposts here, I guess......
All I read here is "scaling"....but that has pretty abrupt limits if visual parity is demanded.
That´s actually the biggest "if".
How strict are the scaling demands from MS for the certification process? If they demand visual parity (except for the res of course) that`s the point where the XSS becomes a roadblock. If devs are allowed to freely tune everything then there shouldn`t be an issue at all.
The S has triggered some world class concern trolling.
Well that´s just the lower level brother of WinML, just an API, so it really doesn`t mean anything.DirectML maybe?
Yeah, but nothing in this direction so far.Playfab is doing some cool things as well.
Are we talking about the same MS that thought that that Halo Infinite version was ready to be used as a next gen flagship? I´d absolutely not be suprised if MS utterly retarded Marketing division made some more retarded decisions with the XSS.MS is not going to demand anything ridiculous for the series s and if that's your argument it's pretty weak.
So a budget TV would be ok to display in black and white nowadays? Standards change, and 720p just won`t be acceptable in another 5 years. MS/AMD will have to have some sort of DLSS-like feature by then.I still think 720p is fine for the cheap box if that's what is required to have the game run well. No one is complaining their 5 year old budget anything doesn't work at well as the high end option. That's a silly argument.
So it is just concern trolling? Go upgrade your PC if it's an issue for you. This spin without any kind of proof just isn't working.Well that´s just the lower level brother of WinML, just an API, so it really doesn`t mean anything.
Yeah, but nothing in this direction so far.
Are we talking about the same MS that thought that that Halo Infinite version was ready to be used as a next gen flagship? I´d absolutely not be suprised if MS utterly retarded Marketing division made some more retarded decisions with the XSS.
So a budget TV would be ok to display in black and white nowadays? Standards change, and 720p just won`t be acceptable in another 5 years. MS/AMD will have to have some sort of DLSS-like feature by then.
We´ll sorely need that on all consoles actually.
He's 10, his exact words "I don't care about 4k why pay more" and he's right as we have a decent 1080p tv. I'll have the XSX thank you.lol really? that seems odd he doesn't want the more powerful one
Just imagine how many parents will buy their kids who want to play Minecraft, Fortnite etc. the Series S instead of any of the other console, that 300$ instead of 500-600$ will do the job in pushing many many consoles to the households.
So you have lived under a rock these past 2 years then when aaaall the next gen stuff announced for the next gen consoles has already been on pc and showed exactly what the performance toll for that is....So it is just concern trolling? Go upgrade your PC if it's an issue for you. This spin without any kind of proof just isn't working.
They'll only scale when they have the overhead to scale. A game that is pushing the Series X to the limit at 30fps 1440 will not magically scale down to a GPU with 1/3 the power.The resolution will scale. Graphics will be identical otherwise.
Who said I assumed it can't handle it? But if a game wants to use the Series X gpu for some physics based gameplay or GPGPU for AI or something how would this scale down to a GPU with 1/3 the power? The answer is it doesn’t and they won't. It relegates the GPU to res and fps gains only.
Beyond a few freak cases, parents know never to substitute one brand for another unless you want a crying kids on X-mas. This almost never happens and when it does it haunts the kid and parent for life. I still remember getting the Millennium Falcon on X-mas morning, but it was a model and not a toy.