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So, uh, the crazy buttocks on a train (CBOAT) is back?
- Thread starter Chettlar
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Stinkles, I'll say something similar to what I said on the actual Halo 5 reveal thread:
This is all well and good, IF these companies were completely forthcoming and honest with us.
But they are not. They obfuscate or straight up lie through PR, hide information, and coordinate on reveals in what many markets would be considered a form of collusion. I'll use your own example: Was there any reason to obfuscate that the 2014 Halo game wasn't Halo 5, but something else? Why do we have to be able to cut through the BS to get to the actual information?
It results in a large part of the press (but not all) being part of the game industry in a bad way, rather than actually doing their jobs when they have to.
So you'll excuse me if I don't shed any tears for information leaking early; This approach to the customer by the press and publishers is what generates the CBOATs in the first place, just like in every other industry. I'm not even defending his approach to teasing or the mistake he's made in the past -- but don't expect enthusiasts to not give attention to information they are really looking forward to. In fact, this should be a good hint to all devs and publishers that perhaps they are mismanaging how information spreads.
Christ, how entitled can you be? It's not transparency. How about you're about to do a surprise party and some douche just announce it to everyone before.
It just sucks.
Zomba13
Member
Did CBOAT post anything other than the GOTG+Iron Man picture in the Halo thread? Because that, on it's own doesn't really spoil much. It hints at some news coming and something to be excited about (which we kinda got with a proper announcement of Halo 5 but no pics or trailer or anything 
). The most people would get from that is the next halo game will have the subtitle Guardians.
I can understand being pissed at him if he leaked more like the E3 trailer or screenshots or a plot synopsis but when all the announcement was is the name, box art(?), some concept art and a bit of text saying the devs are super happy to be working on this and they want it to be the best one yet I don't think CBOAT has done much harm apart from getting some Halo fans hyped up before the offical announcement hours later.
). The most people would get from that is the next halo game will have the subtitle Guardians. I can understand being pissed at him if he leaked more like the E3 trailer or screenshots or a plot synopsis but when all the announcement was is the name, box art(?), some concept art and a bit of text saying the devs are super happy to be working on this and they want it to be the best one yet I don't think CBOAT has done much harm apart from getting some Halo fans hyped up before the offical announcement hours later.
djblackice
Member
Understood. I can't say one way whether or not this announcement was planned to be released now or at E3, but it shouldn't matter since it's got people excited whether now or in the future.
It's misterxmedia
People love egging on something they don't like and vice versa. I don't see what's so surprising.
Uno Venova
Banned
I would not compare the kinds of things he was leaking to something pleasant like a surprise party personally.
This. So much this.
In fact, I would give one my my kidneys to have a Square-Enix version of CBOAT (Regarding FFXV and Kingdom Hearts III information), or a true Sony CBOAT (Someone please leak something about The Last Guardian!!)
DC1
Member
Good job justified and you're right.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Oh god can you imagine ? That blog had me in bulk, I'll have to check to see if it's still going
Uno Venova
Banned
Good post.
DC1
Member
It it wasn't a quote from the Watchmen I would believe you..... oh yeah I would believe.
No one thought he was a prophet. We just assumed he had certain insight to these things based on prior confirmation of his comments.
Nobel? Probably not, but considering no one knows who he is, and he is MIA for months on end, we can probably assume he doesnt do it for attention, but rather a genuine need and want to inform us.
In my opinion, he did every forum member a service by putting his ass on the line to inform us, and did it for absolutely nothing in return. The attention was the result of his past.
I was simplifying things because you looked a bit lost about reality and stuff.
It's not banks hiding fraudulent transaction, it's a game company announcing something.
Right, and it generates leaks, and generates obfuscated information.
This is what happens in every single industry, is my point. There's nothing particularly novel about how it is on the gaming industry and people will always be interested in it -- my point is that of course it sucks that some guy will come out and ruin the surprise, but it's a byproduct of how information disseminates in the market. People want to know more, someone is willing to talk.
There's a difference between keeping something under wraps and obfuscating what is actually going on through a misleading or incomplete announcement. And the second case has the tendency to bring out a whole lot of leaks.
Uno Venova
Banned
You're right, it's not that serious, so hinting at something like the name of a game we already know is coming out, or giving details about terrible shit companies are doing behind the scenes shouldn't be much of a problem.
This would be the ultimate troll. The internet would actually collapse, and then reality itself shortly after.
It's not, but it's fucking useless. You would understand especially if you worked in an industry with NDAs ; there are reasons. Things change, stuff looks bad before it looks good, decisions are taken and then changed.
It's the nature of any creative and techno logic industry.
You can't be transparent when 90% of your fan base runs to the hill when you announce something then back off it.
That's why they want to control when they do announce it.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
I read posts like these and I realize some have forgotten that people actually pay quite a bit of money for these games. And the companies expect us to---they aren't doing us a "favor" making them.
DC1
Member
It's going... I went out there a few days ago to express that it was a good thing that the K was decoupled from XBOX One. I was super respectful ..understanding that I was in a den of wolves. In short, I was quickly showered with multiple "F***Y**s" and "Up Yours"
That place is in a strange segment of the internet.
Ditto.
And this is true as well....I don't get "blind loyalty". If MSFT is screwing up, call them out on it (same with Sony...or an agency or politician or company...pretty much anything else).
I'm not sure you paid to be VIP in a game development company, though.
You're a consumer, not the president of the US.
To be clear: My two posts are a bit Devil's Advocate to highlight the point. I absolutely understand and actually relate to the other side a ton, seeing as I'm also very protective of my own work -- but we also have to be cognizant of some of the consequences of being secretive.
In my job, it's losing credibility. In anything media-related, it's leaks and unfortunately also misinformation.
That's simply how information-starved people behave, for better or worse.
In my job, it's losing credibility. In anything media-related, it's leaks and unfortunately also misinformation.
That's simply how information-starved people behave, for better or worse.
Team Klimt
Member
Totes. They never go after people who leak set pics or scripts.
DC1
Member
Squint eyes... verbalize "I see what you did there"
Uno Venova
Banned
I don't find it useless when control about the message is taken away from these companies, when they want to give us a 'share more details' later stance on info people are dying to hear, I like getting a peek behind the curtain.
digoutyoursoul
Member
tfur
Member
Yeah, Microsoft almost got away with giving us a "surprise party" with the excessive DRM etc. last year.
Definitely.
Oh but there's another side to that coin too. Not sure if you knew or not.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Yeah that must be it. Notice how you said fuck all about those cheering him when he posts negative stuff about the platform. As bad as each other.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
CBoat needs to get off his ass and bestow upon us another round of incredible E3 rumors.
Uno Venova
Banned
Yeah and we ruined it for them
If only they got the message out and controlled it the way they wanted to, we might have saw it their way!
It's not about what you like, it's about how they want you to see.
There's a reason why there's a curtain. Figuratively and not.
CBOAT or leaks had nothing to do with it, the DRM was well revealed when the backlash happened.
Uno Venova
Banned
I've been aware of all that.
InfiniteUnrest
Member
GotG = Halo 5 Guardians, maybe you're part of a team of some sort like in Halo Reach.
Iron Man = Master Chief who makes a cameo in Halo 5 or joins the Spartan "Guardians"?
Either way, it looks like posting a pic of Guardians was his way of foreshadowing the reveal that Halo 5 is named Halo 5 Guardians. Perhaps there's more in there as well, perhaps not.
Iron Man = Master Chief who makes a cameo in Halo 5 or joins the Spartan "Guardians"?
Either way, it looks like posting a pic of Guardians was his way of foreshadowing the reveal that Halo 5 is named Halo 5 Guardians. Perhaps there's more in there as well, perhaps not.
Liberty4all
Banned
#teamCBOAT
If someone feels Microsoft doesn't derve the respect then go ahead and leak.
It's called Karma.
BoboBrazil
Member
Last year was awesome. He got everything right except Prince of Persia, although that Halo trailer did look like PoP at first.
I agree, its unfortunate that it swings that way as well. Both extreme's tarnish CBOAT's info.