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Someone made a petition to revoke EA's Star Wars license.
- Thread starter Gamezone
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Yeah fuck it. If you don't like something make some noise.
Why not both? Knowing these companies, if they could you'd be paying $89.99+ with microtransactions, but hey that's what deluxe editions are for.
Shil Pencer
Member
Of course they would be this is a business not a hobby to all of these companies. Games at 59.99 are the cheapest they have ever been and game budgets are skyrocketing. I am sure EA is already in the hole unlike anything in gaming just by making a Star Wars game. Id imagine the sales of the games would recoup the costs and the microtransactions would be the massive profits that is expected when you go for an IP such as Star Wars. I am not saying i agree with the choices made for lootboxes for Battlefront in particular, since i love lootboxes in many other games such as Halo 5 and Overwatch, but putting all the blame on EA and hope that Disney is going to save gamers is silly.
Gamezone
Gold Member
Sure, but it brings more negative attention.
It's a firecracker under their ass
dragonyeuw
Member
Disney played the 'phantom menace' role to perfection here, all the heat was placed on EA/Dice as if Disney had no clue or say in the direction of a game based on a multi-billion dollar franchise costing in the hundreds of millions to produce.
Bolivar687
Banned
Sign this people, this is for the soul of gaming.
I never had any plans on buying or playing this game. I just signed because it needs to be shown that consumers won't take this lying down. BF2 having this shit doesn't personally interfere with my life but it needs to be nipped in the bud before other game companies try the same.
Not very good business if they have to resort to these practices to stay afloat.
Like bullshit am I going to cry sympathy with these companies and "rising development costs" first off the first Battlefront (2015) didn't come with a singleplayer mode which theoretically should have been cheaper to make or had more resources dedicated to multiplayer, and to get the full experience you needed to buy the mega gold ultra deluxe edition for $120 iirc which spits in the face that the cost of games have stayed the same, and BF1 (2015) sold 14m copies at which point do they start making money just selling the game.
Also why is it the big companies like Ubisoft, EA, Take Two and Activision are the ones crying poverty when their games are near garunteed to sell in the millions everytime when any lesser developer or publisher can get by without resorting to lootbox systems?
Shil Pencer
Member
They dont have to resort to those practices they can just charge more for the game. Disney is charging EA a ton of money to be the guys to make star wars games. The IP of star wars is hotter than ever right now and you better believe disney most likely has financial milestones for EA to hit, before EA even sees profit. Look at how Disney is treating the Last Jedi movie itself and how its being distributed to theaters. Disney is making the majority of cash from every theater for the first 2 weeks of release. Game sales are not enough because games dont cost enough to cover the costs and make massive profits, which is why these developers exist. So when these developers ask themselves what do they have a better chance of?
Sell this game at 59.99 and hope a bunch of suckers buy bullshit
Sell this game at 89.99+ to reach max profits
Getting people in the door at a cheaper price is way easier
Zog
Banned
Reducing the budget just doesn't occur to you does it? Just like with watching a movie at the theater, it's isn't the consumers concern how the money is split, if it's too expensive the consumer will just say no. Consumers shouldn't worry about the profits of the poverty stricken corporations, it upsets the balance. Consumers should always try to get a good deal just as corporations always try to make a profit.
Shil Pencer
Member
lol wut? Do you not realize that the game being Star Wars alone makes it big budget which is put in place by DISNEY not EA. Disney wants their Blockbuster movie to have a Blockbuster of a game. Gaming is a form of entertainment now that can, or may already be, more powerfull then Movies. Also your point of consumers shouldnt worry about the profits, i dont even understand what you are trying to say. Consumers are getting a good deal as gaming is cheaper than its ever been. I am not defending the way lootboxes were handled by EA because it was poor, but people thinking this is greedy EA and (insert game company) wouldnt do this is lying to themselves. Disney is also part of the "problem"
lefty1117
Gold Member
The next statement that EA makes on BF2 and the loot box controversy is going to be the most important statement they've made as a company in a long, long time.
They've gone all in on the games as a service model with the cancellation of the other SW game, shutdown of single player Mass Effect content, redirecting resources to Anthem and it's Division-like design. Now this loot box thing has blown up in their face and they've got to be contemplating the future of this approach right now. Disney is one of the few players large enough to be able to influence them - will they take advantage of their clout to do something positive in the industry?
They've gone all in on the games as a service model with the cancellation of the other SW game, shutdown of single player Mass Effect content, redirecting resources to Anthem and it's Division-like design. Now this loot box thing has blown up in their face and they've got to be contemplating the future of this approach right now. Disney is one of the few players large enough to be able to influence them - will they take advantage of their clout to do something positive in the industry?
ReBurn
Gold Member
The things about social media is that it is easy to ignore. 50,000 people in a world of 7.5 billion is so statistically insignificant that it doesn't even register. 50,000 people in the tens to hundreds of millions of gamers isn't even that significant.
Yelling at clouds on social media makes a loud noise in a short period of time, but it burns out very quickly. There are already fewer people who care about this than last week, and in two weeks even fewer will care because there will be a new thing to be outraged over. People lose interest quickly.
50,000 people not buying the game at full price is $3 million in lost revenue. If you can get a chunk to ignore the inevitable 20% to 30% price drop that a large number of gamers wait for before jumping in that's more lost millions. Yelling on social media accomplishes nothing if people buy the game anyway.
You have to talk to corporations in a language they understand, not on a medium they can ignore.
Gamezone
Gold Member
That's the best case scenario. But I'm happy with all the negative press EA's receiving.
Theyre actively ignored, and in fact they may actually in some cases have a negative effect, as theyre so easy to stuff the ballot box on
SonicSleuth
Member
This is the dumbest shite I've ever heard.
There are only a few companies with the clout, the marketing power, and the money and organization big enough to churn out AAA Star Wars titles. People keep b***ching and ignore the fact that BF2 looks and sounds amazing and is fun as hell to play.
But I'm sure Activision or Ubisoft or one of the other few publishers who can afford Disney's demands will make something less "evil". <eyeroll>
EA haters make me vomit. Go find a REAL f'ing cause. There's a lot wrong with the world that has nothing to do with having to grind to unlock Darth Vader.
There are only a few companies with the clout, the marketing power, and the money and organization big enough to churn out AAA Star Wars titles. People keep b***ching and ignore the fact that BF2 looks and sounds amazing and is fun as hell to play.
But I'm sure Activision or Ubisoft or one of the other few publishers who can afford Disney's demands will make something less "evil". <eyeroll>
EA haters make me vomit. Go find a REAL f'ing cause. There's a lot wrong with the world that has nothing to do with having to grind to unlock Darth Vader.
Gamezone
Gold Member
I didn't know Andrew Wilson was on Neogaf.
Zog
Banned
There's a lot wrong with the world that has nothing to do with being annoyed by EA haters.
JTCx
Member
i'd definitely have no qualms with EA losing rights but even in the (very unlikely) scenario of that happening, what then? still every game being cuckholded by a board of suits, still designers required to present every nook and cranny of a random NPC design's asshole for approval through a three month process, or whatever
there really is no win/win for star wars games going forward
there really is no win/win for star wars games going forward
There's a lot wrong in the world but that doesn't mean that EA doesn't suck
Gamezone
Gold Member
Yeah, they nailed how it looks and sounds. The rest (not including the microtransactions) are extremely mediocre.
Zog
Banned
Cyber Caesar
Member
EA you're gonna learn, ask MS.
Gamezone
Gold Member
The Microsoft DRM thing with XBO could easily have been a petition, so yes.
MS didn't reverse their policies based on online backlash. They reversed them based on preorder data.
Fox Mulder
Member
I never cared for Battlefront even on the ps2. It just blows how we used to get lots of different star wars games in different genres, but EA has only shit out two battlefront games. Everyone knew this would happen when it was announced they were getting the exclusive license.
Gamezone
Gold Member
I honestly expected them to milk Star Wars to death.
Exactly, this was not a dear gd what have you done call. This was This feature of your product is potentially causing brand damage, fix it. They have no problems eith such System in mobile games
Stop the whining, seriously.if you want actual change, then do the actual impossible, fight the gambling industry to enact laws that make exploiting the mentally ill a crime, to ensure safeguards and caps are out on spending by any individual, with a cross company black book kept of problem people. Most of this is entirely overblown, as no one plays all the characters. They find a few they like and stick to them. And no, just because YOU dont doesnt mean you represent the 95+ percentile.
Did you know that according to Infinity Ward only 5% of COD players finish the campaign? That only 50% touch it at all? Multiplayer should be locked down till you beat it, but so many have a lot more money than time that theyre willing to pay to advance.
There are a handful of developers out there with the resources to make AAA Star Wars games and successfully distribute them. Virtually all of the, are considered great Satan. No one will listen to it, and good luck raiding the billions to bribe the politicians better than the casinos do.
Kamina
Golden Boy
Youre angry with the wrong user.
DVPredator85
Member
Someone should make a petition to shut down neogaf for good. Fuck this trash piece of shit website.
Iced Arcade
Member
for all we know Disney (who always loves money) could be the one who wanted to loot crates or it was a mutual decision.
I mean they did just announce they are making movie theaters that show "The Last Jedi" hand over 65% of ticket sale revenue and play it in their largest auditoriums for at least four weeks.
fly high ~ayunite~
Member
i aint signing shit
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
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