CadetMahoney
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Massa said:
they probably will.
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Sony: 3D to come to 'all' PS3s by Mar 2011; 33m+ PSN accounts registered
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they probably will.
Count Dookkake
Member
Stink said:
Yeah, it will. It is a good product.
DidntKnowJack said:
It's hardly just Sony ... there is a HUGE push from both CE companies and studios. Crap, Sony isn't even the biggest pusher on the CE front ... that would be Panasonic.
Just go look at summaries from recent A/V expos (CEDIA, etc).
NintendosBooger said:
As I said, Sony is hardly the only one doing this. Regardless, it's always better for someone like Sony to invest in the tech sooner rather than later. That way, the product is more mature than the competitions once it becomes widespread.
Out of curiosity, are you all up-in-arms against Natal? That's something MS will be pushing far harder than Sony will be for 3D.
polyh3dron
Banned
I highly doubt the PS3 has enough power to pull off good graphics in 3D.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
All it has to do is render what is essentially a 60FPS game. Then every frame goes to one eye, and you get 30FPS effective output. Nothing difficult there to pull off, and they in fact have GT5 and Wipeout HD, both excellent looking games, already demonstrated in 3D.polyh3dron said:
gofreak said:
While it's not like he'd really get in that much trouble, he really isn't at liberty to discuss such things. It's up to the BDA to make such announcements
it's coming soon
Two things I'm looking for out of this:
1) an epic media player (making the PS3 a true HTPC)
2) a gecko or webkit-based browser
If those two things were to come about ... FUCKKKKKKKK
MWS Natural
Member
Onix said:
Natal doesn't require you to purchase a new expensive HDTV. I just hope Sony doesn't over-hype and underachieve like they do with many of other things.
unomas said:
I know this may come as a shock to you, but not everyone just bought a TV. There are actually some people that will be replacing their TV's next year ... and the year after ... and the year after that.
That how HDTV adoption worked, and this will really be no different for 3D. The CE companies are working together to hammer out standards for the interface and playback, so interoperability won't be a serious problem ... and adding sync-based 3D is a pretty nominal cost to manufacturers. It's going to simply show up in most TV's as a standard feature over time. And with that, standard TV replacement timelines mean it will have a steadily growing install base.
MWS Natural said:
The difference here is that you don't need to use the games in 3D (well, real 3D). They'll play fine normally. As stated previously ... the other thing to consider is that 3D displays will likely be the norm relatively soon. Standard TV replacement means there will be a growing install base for it.
So if anything, Natal is in the worse situation. You have to specifically go out and buy the product ... and the content will only work with the device (well, I suspect most of it - I'm sure they'll be games that can use Natal as an alternative).
Regardless, I suspect this is more of a proof-of-concept than anything. Sony just wants to be ahead of the curve, at least as far as gaming goes ... and this shouldn't take much in terms of dev costs. Next gen will see the real push for 3D.
walter_thet
Banned
Luigiv said:
I got the exact same question. I just bought a z-series 200Hz LCD. I read somewhere that it should be able to do 3D.
Luigiv said:
The standard that is expected to be the 'norm' (and have major support) will not work with current TV's. It will require HDMI 1.4.
What's curious is Sony's claim about updating the PS3 via firmware to support 3D. At a high level, it doesn't make sense. So until we know more about what they're doing ... it's hard to tell.
If I had to guess though, I'd suspect you'll need a new TV ... and the PS3 will simply be hacked to do what HDMI 1.4 is expected to support by default. HDMI 1.4 doesn't actually utilize more bandwidth than 1.3, so assuming the Tx board on the PS3 is sufficiently programmable, it's possible they could hack in 3D.
squicken said:
Yeah, really. It takes a pretty serious effort to throw on glasses.
brain_stew
Member
Stink said:
It'll be a standard feature on every HDTV sold within a few years, so sure it will.
Count Dookkake
Member
eggandI said:
It is only a setting on the TV. No new tech is needed, other than a few pairs of glasses.
DisenLedZep
Member
Onix said:
If this is true, then every TV on the planet nowadays does not support Sony's new 3D technology. And Sony is expecting to have 3D games by 2010? If so, are 3DTVs going to be on stores in mid 2010? This is kinda of weird, why don't they just tell wich devices people would have to get in order to played their 3D games? Why make this so confusing?
I don't know, to me 120Hz and above should be fine to do the trick (like nVidia glasses). But coming from Sony... anything can happen.
Minsc
Gold Member
Lord Error said:
Most games aren't 60 fps to begin with, and 30fps in 3D will cause major strain in most people after extended gaming periods. Even 60fps isn't enough to completely alleviate eye strain in 3D by some accords (so ideally it sounds like you'd want a 120fps 3D solution, rendering 240fps, 120fps to each eye).
It will be interesting to see how this all pans out, but it sounds like another 2 years before this even begins to surface, and I'm thinking at best it will be a flawed implementation in the PS3, if only to give you a taste of what can be, for the PS4 to properly deliver upon.
Count Dookkake said:
this is what i love about 3d. it gives the screen a real sense of depth, combining this with games (real-time rendered 3d graphics) is really the best solution. we've been playing 3d games for years, but we saw was just a 3d rendered image plastered on a 2d screen. this will take videogames a generation further.
ZombieSupaStar
Member
but its still a 2d screen isnt it?
I dunno, seems like marketing fluff untill we either A: have holodecks, or B: plugs into our brain like the Matrix.
i thought that the wii experament looked pretty awesome though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw&hd=1
I dunno, seems like marketing fluff untill we either A: have holodecks, or B: plugs into our brain like the Matrix.
i thought that the wii experament looked pretty awesome though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw&hd=1
I'm confused, I thought 3D was theaters answer to get folks back into cinema with something they cant see at home. 3D revolution has barely started and it already has a home component lined up? Not that I am complaining but seriously, companies have no reason to whine when they cant agree on strategies.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Onix said:
If 3D can be "hacked in" through software, why can't Bravia Sync? That's only available for Slims, and is supposedly impossible on older PS3s since the HDMI chips don't support it. So yeah, it'll be interesting to see how they plan on solving this.
yurinka
Member
Since every PS3 will be capable to output 3D, HDMI 1.4 won't be needed. Period. They even announced this 3D in PS3 tech when the HDMI 1.4 and PS3 Slim didn't exist.
And they don't need to follow Nvidia steps. It's stupid to think PS3 is going to output 240Hz or even 120Hz and even more to have to render 240 or 120FPS. It must work with 60Hz, to be on par with all current TVs, and a max 60FPS video output coming from games.
I bet the console will output normal video output and will send to the tv or to the glasses depth data for each pixel. It would work in all PS3, in all TVs, and won't need extra rendering from games or console.
Sony doesn't need to follow previous standards or technologies. They can make their own stuff using the technology they want.
It's like to say they needed to support HD DVD in their BlueRay players, because before the BlueRay launch all the HD movies sold in disk were in HD DVD.
And they don't need to follow Nvidia steps. It's stupid to think PS3 is going to output 240Hz or even 120Hz and even more to have to render 240 or 120FPS. It must work with 60Hz, to be on par with all current TVs, and a max 60FPS video output coming from games.
I bet the console will output normal video output and will send to the tv or to the glasses depth data for each pixel. It would work in all PS3, in all TVs, and won't need extra rendering from games or console.
Sony doesn't need to follow previous standards or technologies. They can make their own stuff using the technology they want.
It's like to say they needed to support HD DVD in their BlueRay players, because before the BlueRay launch all the HD movies sold in disk were in HD DVD.
yurinka said:
I seriously doubt pixels will be set at depths. It'll just be left and right like it is on the Avatar game. Clearly the PS3 can output perfectly good 3D, the only thing strange about this news is it goes against what we thought we knew about eventual 3D BluRay requiring 1.4.
Onix said:
It probably is a hassle if you already wear glasses. Or are reading a book or looking at a PC while watching TV. Or get up and go to the bathroom. Or get a Coke.
You think I'm being silly, but people choose lower quality options all the time for the sake of convenience. I've owned 5 different HDTVs since 2004, so I'm hardly a Luddite. The current setup is a hassle.
I'm also still not sold on how pervasive eye strain is or isn't.
3D won't take off until it's native to the set itself.
Grant DaNasty
Neo Member
I thought all you needed for 3D was a 120 hertz monitor and some way to wirelessly sync with the glasses?
PetriP-TNT
Member
3D? Total downgrade.
3D HDTV's are going to follow the same path as 1080P and 120 Hz. It will be a high-end feature for around two years after they're introduced, then become standard with new models. It's going to be several years before 3D HDTVs are in a lot of people's homes, but in the meantime 3D HDTV content has to be created to get people interested in the technology. I bought an HDTV less than a year ago, so it's going to be a long time before I own a 3D HDTV, but the posters dismissing 3D remind me of the people in 2005 who were saying 1080P is DOA and 720P is the standard.
