Father_Brain
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PSP/Vita forecast downgrade is exactly what I expected, and still absurdly optimistic. Down to 8m in three months?
No it won't. It will boost sales of Vita and then devs will be more inclined to develop for the system. Look at this weeks MC sales, Idolmaster on PSP, nothing on Vita.
You need to check the figures. PS2 did 1m+ last Q but 360 did 1.4m. This Q PS2 did not do anywhere near 1.7m.
Uh, a GTA game is the best selling PSP game ever...
They're wanting to mask Vita's sales while being consistent about how they treat home console sales.
Certainly PS3 sales don't need masking. If you think it's PS2 sales that are 'the good half' of those home console sales...well...look at total PS2 sales in the same period last year (3.8m). It's not much of a guess that PS3 sales be the bigger part of those home console numbers.
The only thing left to fear is fear itself. Weren't ppl making a big deal how PS3 was outselling 360 for this year?
Meanwhile in Japan Panasonic is forecasting an other 10 billion $ loss for the FY and Sharp said that at this point they're facing survival issues meaning that they could go bankrupcy if things don't get better quickly.
Certainly PS3 sales don't need masking. If you think it's PS2 sales that are 'the good half' of those home console sales...well...look at total PS2 sales in the same period last year (3.8m). It's not much of a guess that PS3 sales be the bigger part of those home console numbers.
So how much did they make(profit)?
The disposal of their chemical division let them made an Operating Income of $388 Mio. in Q2. But after the financial write-offs (losses in currency conversion) they made a Net Loss of $198 Mio.
Do you know where they stand overall so far this FY?
OMG. :lol :lol: :lolthat was parmenides putting that there for comparison.
Let's just be clear, here. Without Madden, Vita would have been 45K in September (my estimates). October data is about to come out, and I really don't see the catalysts to drive it back above 50K again.I think 10M is achievable, they still have two quarters to go and possibly a PSV price cut in early 2013. Also, NPD Nov will be crucial for Vita.
OMG. :lol :lol: :lol
Next year will be too late to start money hatting developers. It's already treading water now, games that won't be out for a few years won't do anything to help the vita.
Why would MS discontinue the 360? This is a pretty big myth really. The original xbox was a huge moneysink that was selling shit house and that's why MS canned it. The 360 is showing good legs and making a very healthy profit, they have no reason to do that again.
The reason the PS2 is still on the market selling so well is because there is demand for it and sony is still making money off it. There is no difference between them, they will both continue to support their current console until it stops making them money.
The fact that it has been 4 years just makes me think MS don't want to drop the price. I have been expecting it for a long time but i'm not sure it will happen.
This quarter they have launched a number of high profile, high priced products so it should produce a very strong Q3.
For Q3 Sony will book the Xperia T, Xperia V, PS3-4000, RX1, NEX6, A99 and the HX950 flagship TV (all of these products are high margin).
Thanks, looks like they cna profitable for the FY then, what are they expecting (In $)
Before it derails completly.
After seeing Sony's numbers, I feel very bad for Panasonic.
Meanwhile in Japan Panasonic is forecasting an other 10 billion $ loss for the FY and Sharp said that at this point they're facing survival issues meaning that they could go bankrupcy if things don't get better quickly.
Indeed they should be doing that right now with actual big games coming out next year.
My feeling btw is that Sony internally has already conceded that dedicated handhelds are dead. They have no interests in bleeding money to keep alive a single product when they can make money by selling contents and games on mobiles.
With PS3 for example the situation was completely different, they made huge investements, they had to make Blu Ray a success, so they invested to make it a success no matter what. Vita won't get that treatment, it will end up like a Gamecube.
You pay taxes based on income, not on profit.
A little OT, but I really see PC and SHCAY being forced to merge with someone fairly soon. Maybe even Sony, Toshiba, or Mittsubishi, either that or bankruptcy.
PC 5.19 -0.34 (-6.15%) 12.00B
SHCAY 1.81 -0.31 (-14.62%) 1.98B
If any of those companies will merge it will be Sony and Toshiba as their interests don't overlap too much.
they're lumping hardware into bundles now? that's always a big sign of confidence.
Ome more downgrade for PSP/PSV next quarter and they'll finally find the correct number.
So of the 3 companies only Microsoft had a net gain? For some reason I thought they had a loss as well.
Generally speaking, first to market, I would say is not unimportant, it is important. It was more so in past platforms, but in future platforms the more important thing is what kind of services, applications, what type of new enjoyment can be realised on this new platform. Now this has been tough for us for 15, 16, 17 years but with the network business becoming a major part of the gaming business, this new service, this new application gives a much more wider, I would say, scope than the past packaged based games. So to answer your question, first to market is important, but more important is what type of services and new enjoyment that you can bring to the market.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but doesn't Sony and Toshiba have pretty much the same interests as Panasonic and Sharp? I.e. user products, TVs, etc?
After I posted that I saw that Sharp has publicly stated that they are considering alliances with other companies and they might not survive on their own.
I'm pretty sure it's the Vita numbers they're ashamed of. They probably combined the console sales as well to make it look like it was a new way of reporting things, not just tryng to hide Vita sales. PS3 is doing fine.
Sony shipped 2,6 Millions units less of PS2/PS3 compared to last year.
So...umm...yeah.
Which most of that can probably be attributed to continuing to decline PS2 sales.
Where's your proof? In actual fact last Q PS2 was down only 0 - 0.3m YOY. This Q we have no idea.
You can always estimate intelligently.
PS2 sales:
July-Sept 2011: 1.2M
Oct-Dec 2011: 0.9M
Jan-Mar: .06M
From here on the PS2 and the PS3 sales were combined.
If we give the PS2 the benefit of the doubt and say the console sold 1M units. That means the PS3 is at 2.5M units this quarter. I highly doubt that the PS2 sold more consoles this quarter than it did last holiday season.
Which most of that can probably be attributed to continuing to decline PS2 sales.
Where's your proof? In actual fact last Q PS2 was down only 0 - 0.3m YOY. This Q we have no idea.
KAZ lightly touched on some next-gen-y stuff in the Japanese conference too towards the end.
Just talked about how in the mid-term the business model is changing to one where people play games over the internet, and that they acquired Gaikai with a view to that, and that it can be used for existing PS devices as well as other devices.
And how from an R&D expenditure point of view, for future platforms, it's totally different from PS2 and PS3 days where you would make a huge chipset investment - that for the future they will leverage existing technology, and not doing everything from scratch themselves.
So kind of same-old, same-old messaging...but I thought it was interesting he started talking about this in an answer to a question that didn't really have much to do directly with that.
Or PS3. We have no clue as Sony is trying to hide the numbers.
Yes there is no definitive proof, but with a decent profit considering R&D costs of the PS4, I would venture to guess this wouldn't result from a large decline from the more overall profitable console (software sales, PS2 hardware margin is probably quite high even at it's low price).
Why not? It did last Q.
It sold more than 1M consoles last quarter? How do you know when the sales were combined with the PS3 last quarter.
This sounds as PS+ and Gaikai for both PS3, Vita, and PS4.Just talked about how in the mid-term the business model is changing to one where people play games over the internet, and that they acquired Gaikai with a view to that, and that it can be used for existing PS devices as well as other devices.
Which most of that can probably be attributed to continuing to decline PS2 sales.
Because PS3 was down YOY, did 1.8m last year. 2.8m combined last Q. We have no idea how much PS3 was down either. But PS2 did 1m at the bare minimum.
The PS3 sold 3.7M last year at the same time, and not 1.8.
So PS3 sales haven´t been big enough to prevent the overall decline due to PS2? Just wondering
No it sold 3.7m this Q last year, you were asking about last Q.
Right. And last quarters numbers are 2.8 combined for both the PS2/Ps3, leading me to ask again, how you know the amount of PS2 or PS3 sales individually.
Sometimes they will say this console or that dropped this percentage, and it could be figured out. I don't recall that.
The quartery numbers show the PS2 on the decline.
Is there some evidence that points to this fact?