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Sony FY2016 financial results (60 million PS4 shipped LTD)
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Interesting that they are predicting 18 million for 2017 considering they have shipped 20 million in 2016. I would thought this year would be the peak year. I wonder what is their reasoning for 2 million less shipped when it is clearly a stronger year, especially in the holidays (BF2, WW2 and Destiny 2, all with PS4 marketing deals).
Schrade
Member
I don't have the latest figure in, but it's between the two.
I wish these charts would extend to the end of the Wii and PS2's lifetime. I want to see the wall.
Easily. Especially with the onslaught of insane and I mean insaaane software releasing within the next 2 years.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
Kojima Production is the one that immediately comes to mind. Insomniac Games is another. If they sell the failing movie division and reinvest the money on the profitable divisions (along with giving stockholders dividends), they will have money to make a play for some interesting players in the field.
Yes please.
The hard drive is the bigger issue, which is why the PS3 and 360 were stuck at $200 for so long.
ethomaz
Banned
Just to remember these PS2 numbers are production shipment while Wii and PS4 are shipment to retail.I don't have the latest figure in, but it's between the two.
Are there differences?
Yes... production shipment is what Sony produced and stored on own warehouses... they are units not sold yet.
Shipment to retail is what is in hands of retail... what Sony sold to retail.
There are a 1-1.5m difference between them... I remember when Sony changed the tracking in 2016 and PS2 numbers get about 1.5m lower than the same report using the old way.
So it is high possible PS2 did not tracked ahead PS4 yet.
Polygonal_Sprite
Member
Fantastic sales. A shame I can't stay in their eco-system since they fucked me out of my account 
I'll probably be going Scorpio as my main system as a result.
I'll probably be going Scorpio as my main system as a result.The cell is what kept ps3 becoming super cheap. They couldn't get the manufacturing cost for it down
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
GT Sport should make it then as well.
Hoping Spiderman or some other First party studio makes it
ethomaz
Banned
vpance
Member
Capcom.
Do you want to watch the world burn? Especially GAF?
Manmademan
Member
The ps3 was released with flash memory eventually and was still pricey. It was the cell more than anything.
therealbigrich
Member
Could Nintendo have helped by releasing a console that didn't sell well . seems like only MS gets blames for helping PS4 success
vpance
Member
They could use some help. I don't think they can afford to make AAA anymore.
Plague Doctor
Member
That's what I am thinking. Side by side with the big 3rd party marketing deal commercials, all they have to do is run a sizzle reel of their exclusives and drop the price at the end.
Yeah, prolly the guys are foreign like me and that would be a direct translation of a romance language
JoshuaJSlone
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Here you go. Late in the game Sony slightly changed how they reported PS2 numbers (as another replier mentioned), so that's why there are two overlapping but not identical PS2 lines here.
Hairsplash
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Link to report: https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/16q4_sonypre.pdf
(Fiscal year ended March 31, 2017)
Total PS4 hardware shipments:
End of FY2015: 40.0 million.
FY2016 shipments: 20.0 million.
= 60.0 million (as of end of March 2017)
Forecast for FY2017: 18.0 million = 78 million LTD by end of March 2018.
And at the end of the march 2018 will have surpassed the total number of xbox360's in existence ( I say existence because i think the wikipedia number includes the RROD xboxs too (meaning they did not subtract the broken ones)
And then the ps3 is put out to pasture...
OTOH, they predict 78M, but the scorpio should sell at least 1M a month in 2018, so that estimate might be a bit optimistic ... but then again maybe people will be replacing there ps4's with ps4pros... so the estimate is correct, what do i know, they are in the business...
Yet might be higher monthly sales for the scorpio because those with xbox ones, it would be stupid NOT TO BUY A SCORPIO. so maybe Microsoft can move 2M a month...
The world burning is worth it if a Dragons Dogma 2 takes its place.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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What makes you think that? 7nm chips?[
If they liquidize SPE, they will certainly have the capital.
Here you go. Late in the game Sony slightly changed how they reported PS2 numbers (as another replier mentioned), so that's why there are two overlapping but not identical PS2 lines here.
Geez the Wii flatlined real quickly.
ChronotriggerJM
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Do you think a $99 ps4 is possible? I imagine the fab will shrink, the ram will stack, and the drive can be ditched, but where else can they net huge cost reduction?
hanspampel
Banned
no. Xbox 360 consoles, that were replaced by Microsoft are not included in their sold in quarterly reports.
Just the ones when people bought a new one because the old is / was broken.
and you have that with every piece of electronic
ethomaz
Banned
PS4 with 64GB NAND plus APU at next process shrink. We are talking here after PS5 release... 2019/2020.
It is really possipossible... you can stack external chips into APU too.
DriftingSpirit
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A $99 PS4 would be crazy. I would be really interested in seeing how that would impact adoption rates.
Price drop won't occur this year most likely. Maybe some $199 bundles during the holidays but that's it
ethomaz
Banned
There are similar GPU like RSX in lower process... there is no Cell in lower process because it was too expensive and IBM give up.
Cell will be always the issue here.
32nm or 22nm Cell never happened... it was a myth or created rumor.
Cell: 90nm > 65nm > 45nm
RSX: 90nm > 65nm > 40nm
28nm or lower RSX is possible.
32nm or lower Cell is no possible.
Unknown?
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It's $299 right now, a $50 drop is almost assuredly coming.
Hydrargyrus
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Do the people really think that Sony is not going to counter the Scorpio release with a price drop?
I think is already written, for both: PS4 and PS4pro. Probably we'll see this year:
- PS4 at 200€
- PS4 bundle (Destiny 2, Battlefront 2 or RDR2) at 250€
- PS4 pro bundle (Destiny 2, Battlefront 2 or RDR2) at 350€
And PS4 bundle with COD for January-February
I think is already written, for both: PS4 and PS4pro. Probably we'll see this year:
- PS4 at 200€
- PS4 bundle (Destiny 2, Battlefront 2 or RDR2) at 250€
- PS4 pro bundle (Destiny 2, Battlefront 2 or RDR2) at 350€
And PS4 bundle with COD for January-February
$99 PS4 will never happen, even if they remove BD drive and HDD.
DriftingSpirit
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There isn't anything to really counter. I suspect price drops but I wouldn't be surprised by no price drops.
Agreed, just musings.
Nintendos console had already been out a while and they did not make a huge faux pas that had everyone in an uproar. Especially when another console is coming out at the same time so the two directly compete. And at this point Nintendo really isn't competing for the same crowd.
PdotMichael
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Sony is pretty much the company that active supports mid sized games.
More competition? Switch and Scorpio.
Omnistalgic
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This is a big reason why even later in the gen, It's hard for me to pull away from my PS4 and get other platforms. The smaller sized games, that the devs will be happy if they hit 500k in sales, sometimes they are the real gems. From Gravity Rush to Knack, to Wipeout collection and Parappa remakes, PS has that "something for everyone" variety in software again. Honestly, the only thing its missing is something purely for the casual audience like Buzz, Singstar, Mario Kart (doubles for hardcore/casual here) but hopefully Sony's older strategy where they focus on casual audience once the hardware is cheap is still at work in PS4's life cycle.
MegaSackman
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Unknown?
Member
It wouldn't be the first time they underestimated their sells. I believe they targeted 5M by March 31 2014 but they far surpassed that.Maybe they want to be surprised.
OrbitalBeard
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I think it depends on Scorpio's price.
MegaSackman
Member
I know, it happened practically the whole life cycle of the console. It's been a great gen for Sony.
Schrade
Member
Here you go. Late in the game Sony slightly changed how they reported PS2 numbers (as another replier mentioned), so that's why there are two overlapping but not identical PS2 lines here.
Yesss! Thank you. That Wii flatline is a good lesson.
I don't have the latest figure in, but it's between the two.
Damn, the Wii just hit a wall when it reached the 100m.
To think that Sony's worst console ever may end up being the PS3; a console that still sold 90 millions units.
Yes, if Scorpio is $500 then they might not have any reason to drop the price.
I think they have a few options:
+ Outright price drop
+ Game / PS+ bundles
+ PS4 + PSVR super bundle
ChronotriggerJM
Member
They've cleaned up quite a bit actually. I think they only had one division that didn't report a profit this quarter.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Nah.
Agreed. I just remember how four or five years ago they were bleeding money in a lot of areas. I think their movie production division is still iffy though. Not like they are able to use Spiderman for the next few years.