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Sony HMZ-T1 first Organic EL 3D head mounted display
- Thread starter PuppetMaster
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I own an HMD. Part of the reason for not always having the block on was to reduce eye strain. I never really used it.
This is amusing considering... well it should be obvious.BlueTsunami said:
A twenty five thousand dollar product that does not pay attention to detail. It's either comical or frustrating.Punisher said:
Rodney McKay
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Haha, wow. As much as I enjoy Tested on occasion, they are some of the most uninformed "experts" I have ever heard on a podcast.renitou said:
When they aren't saying things that are completely wrong, they're fact checking stuff on their iPads ON THE PODCAST. If I'm looking for informed opinions I'll look at their reviews or hands-on videos, not a podcast where they can't remember what happened for the last week.
I gave it a good test at IFA earlier this month. The visuals are really amazing, but the device itself just isn't comfortable enough for longer use. It's top heavy, the headband feels akward, and it didn't really 'fit' my nose. After only a few minutes I started to tilt my head downwards because of the weight. If they can make it lighter and fix the weight distribution, then I'd definitely consider buying one.
No. I do not.Chalex said:
I do not understand why Sony would cut corners here. We are not in the mass market pricing range. I do not believe a ~15% price increase would dissuade a significant portion of the early adopting audience. On the other hand a complete "Home IMAX" experience would be a more attractive package to the enthusiast audience.
Fixed1979
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woeds said:
Did you use it standing? Weight is definitely a concern but I'm wondering if you're sitting with a headrest if it really much matters.
Did you get a chance to adjust the fit at all? I hope they have enough possible adjustments built in to have it fit everyone's head.
Mindlog said:
There are lots of people in this thread that are saying 799 is too high for them, bumping that to 920 would cut a lot more people out. Hopefully the headphones are removable or else I'd definitely consider that a design flaw.
Fixed1979
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1-D_FTW said:
Well that's disappointing. I assumed there would be some sort of workaround to take them off but on the off chance of voiding the warranty of a first gen product it's not worth it.
I guess I'll need to hear it to see if I'll be happy with it, I'm probably not as picky as some of the people who complained about it but it does make me a little nervous to just make the plunge...but I probably still will.
CaLe said:Same.
I sent them an email, I'll let you know if I hear anything, please do so too
Sounds good!
AbortedWalrusFetus
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Is there any realistic expectation of this unit getting smaller/more wearable? I guess the big limitation is the optics. Is there any chance that those could get reduced in size? Would it take something like the optics being customized on a per user basis a la eyeglasses for it to work?
Lord Error
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I think he's saying he wants it to cost $25k so it'd be the most powerful thing in the world?patsu said:
Sony used to have a line of "Qualia" products, from TVs to cameras. These items spared no expense and their limited production and prices showed it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia_(Sony)
AbortedWalrusFetus said:
as much as I read, they are actually adjustable. This is probably why you see some that tried it on trade show floor saying how they are not that comfortable, while others say they are.
edit: here is youtube video from sony:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQmIzu3MA5U
piratepwnsninja
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Mindlog said:
WTF are you even talking about?
Haint
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Fixed1979 said:
From the press shots, it looks like you would need to do a significant tear down to remove the phones. The armature appears to run into the actual head unit (never mind the cabling). This just doesn't sound like a practical solution. Only hope is that they shift completely up into the headset and well off the ears. If they do, and there's no kind of mechanism where they lock into and out of place, you should be able to tie wrap them or something. Regardless, this is a boneheaded oversight on Sony's part. Nobody wants to pay $800 to use a $30 pair of on-ear muffs with shitty simulated surround.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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spwolf said:
Right, that is as I am understanding it. But from what I can tell, part of the reason the unit is so bulky is because of the adjustable optics. You need several lenses to make the optics adjustable, as I understand it, whereas if the optics were customized on a per user basis, perhaps they could be reduced to a single lens which would allow it to be made more compact?
I guess I am thinking further along the way, into more of an augmented reality type of thing where you could wear a head mounted display like this daily/in public.
Reallink said:
What makes you think they suck?
Sony makes some good headphones, such as the MDR-SA5000. I doubt these would be as good, but I don't think they are going to be garbage.
Also, simulated surround can sound just as good as real surround (except the deep bass). It all depends on the quality of algorithm and headphones.
I was wrong to assume my throwaway joke would be understood.thuway said:
It was a harmless jab. I thought including the youtube link in my original comment would explain the joke without explaining the joke.
I apologize for having baffled so many.
I further apologize for the comparison misunderstanding. For those that did not understand: 15% of $800 can still be in the realm of decent Sony brand quality.
No more jokes.
It is illogical to invest so much into the video tech without properly pairing the audio presentation.
I know, right.jett said:
Reallink said:
The post above mentioned they are better than the $50 earphones. Sony sells some good headsets, so I don't think they'd be rubbish for a premium product.
I do think the HMZ family should be a platform since virtual reality and natural interfaces are very personal experience. Everyone would want something different.
plagiarize
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i don't think hating cross talk makes me an audiophile. i don't care nearly as much about audio quality as i do video quality. i think DD5.1 is good enough even though i can hear the differences between the new lossless formats and the old formats, i don't miss that difference.Mindlog said:
hell i prefer virtual headset surround to multiple drivers. i have some decent cans in the Triton 720s, but i know that an audiophile would sniff at them.
it has nothing to do with me wanting the best 3D visuals currently available.
judging from TV sets with built in speakers, and home theatre in a box, and what have you, it seems that most people care more about the visuals than the sounds too. hopefully a higher end set will come into existance for audiophiles, but i don't think it's illogical to provide 'good enough' sound with a high end video experience.
And if it really mattered, the box is just an HDMI pass-through so people can also watch on the television. Run the pass through HDMI cable into a receiver, slide the headphone pads off the ear, and hook up a pair of expensive earplugs from the receiver.
This isn't the answer for someone who just wants to use his Grado SR80s, but if you're truly a major audiophile, you could solve the issue by throwing money at it.
This isn't the answer for someone who just wants to use his Grado SR80s, but if you're truly a major audiophile, you could solve the issue by throwing money at it.
1-D_FTW said:
The pass-through doesn't work like that. It toggles the video instead of duplicating it to the television.
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/st...151&langId=-1&partNumber=HMZT1#specifications
Since my receiver is only HDMI 1.3, I will probably get a new dual HDMI Blu-ray player as a workaround if I end up buying one of these units.
plagiarize
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ah, that's a shame. i thought the idea of the passthrough was to allow multiple viewers / headsets.MrJames said:
I'd say that high-quality 3-DLP projectors can top this (you can reduce the cross-talk to zero if the projector is powerful enough to compensate for a pretty short opening of the LCD glasses). Probably best 3D/image you can get.plagiarize said:
But that's nowhere near the $800 price range.
(and 3-dlp have some motion-tearing issues that a headset don't have)
It would be good to know that it's working as a pass-through like this. But is it confirmed or just a guess?1-D_FTW said:
Still, I don't think that It'll be easy to use a pair of headphones with those. The earpads on most (if not all) HiFi headphones are probably too big to avoid problems with the headset.
Koren said:
Maybe the Sony guy was wrong, but in one of the videos they explicitly mentioned other people in the room being able to watch the same content on the TV.
I don't mean headphones. I mean expensive earplugs. You're right. I can't imagine any pads being small enough to work that way.
plagiarize
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well, i have a 3DTV so i'm still hoping it'll pass through. reduces the usability of these a bit if people can't 'spectate' or watch the same 3d movie or what have you.MrJames said: