Not how it works. No such thing as RDNA2 or RDNA1 FLOPs.
Yes, it was in his slides I'm pretty sure.Has Cerny stated it’s RDNA2?
Don't forget about decompression block they had to fit into silicon because of superfast SSD.I can't believe the part mentioning no ML. The other stuff? Yeah I can see some precedent for it and I think there's a timeline to support it (I also don't think it's really a bad thing at all because it'd still mean it has many RDNA2 and maybe even some RDNA3 features while being on a more efficient node process, same as Series X. They are both "essentially" custom RDNA2).
But no ML? Why gut that out? The Pro had ML support; maybe Sony figured from their internal studios it wasn't worth implementing, or they used the budget on the GPU on other things like the cache scrubbers and customizing the GE and PS? I just can't wrap my head around the possibility it has no ML but if that's true I think that'll be a big negative down the line and would be curious to see what things they could implement to make up for it (if those techniques exist).
Figured there would be at least similar FP16 ML support as the Pro, even if ML is not a focus for Sony. I'd love a full technical feature breakdown on both PS5 and the Series systems i that regard but that's never going to happen
Again, I knew there would be some differences between the systems and we can clearly see that, but I didn't think one would be as drastic as ML/no ML whatsoever.
Yes, and there is a lot more to architecture than FLOPs. FLOPs simply measure shaders*GPU clocks*2. Mem bandwidth, which is one of the most important factors at high resolutions isn't even accounted for.Sure there is.
Different architecture results in different performance.
GPU A with 10 tflop can have better performance in games compared to GPU B with 10 tflop.
So - 1 tflop of RDNA 2 is better (or worse but better is more likely) in real life performance than 1 tflop of RDNA 1.
Lol its fake as per usual with you xbox fan boys .Its a Sony PS5 principal engineer employee. Has nothing to do with Xbox era. Cerny has never mentioned Machine Learning. Why? Sony has not mentioned whether the SSD speeds are peak or sustained. Why? Sony has only confirmed PS5 uses RDNA 2 in some fashion. Sony has never claimed PS5 is the most powerful next gen console. Why?
Phil has stated multiple times XSX is the most powerful next gen console. MS has confirmed the SSD speeds of XSX are sustained performance. MS has confirmed XSX is RDNA 2 and gone into detail what those RDNA 2 features are. MS has confirmed machine learning in XSX.
Mind-blowing, it's a custom chip they could choose whatever they want from what AMD had to offer. For instance geometry engine is in RDNA1 _ hardware support to geometry in the gpu _ Sony took it and customized it, see road to ps5 again about geometry engine and primitive shaders, it's all there...
Don't forget about decompression block they had to fit into silicon because of superfast SSD.
Lol its fake as per usual with you xbox fan boys .
It's not what he is saying, his words are already being taken out of context.Im having a hard time on who to believe this guy saying inbetween RDNA1 AND RDNA 2 then cerny at hes road show based on RDNA 2 and even lisa su from amd also said both consoles are RDNA 2 and theres rumoured rdna features not found on series x so who do u believe?
So sony paid who ? Epic or amd or everyone .fucking lol think before talkingThat sony money putting in good marketing. Well done Timmy!
Yes, a tech demo, in which none of the Sony 1st party games even came close to reaching at the sony event.
Games at lunch practically never take full of advantage of the hardware. Especially third party games. You won’t see a big difference until a few years down the road. If then.
So sony paid who ? Epic or amd or everyone .fucking lol think before talking
So sony paid who ? Epic or amd or everyone .fucking lol think before talking
Amd ceo called it rdna 2 . End of story rest are xbox fanboy fud . Keep it in your discord .or better yet go play some video games and enjoy ur lifeSony paid Epic. Um...nobody is arguing whether PS5 uses RDNA 2 in some fashion. Its to what degree.
They bought stock later on, yes.Didn’t Sony pay$250 million to Epic?
Nailed it. This is a fucking dagger, goddammitThis is not good at all. No wonder all they talked about was SSD.
Also, the rumor suggest AMD will from now on do 40 CU chips in some design stacked over each other with some new connection technology that I forgot its name
Microsoft has their own Machine Learning feature called DirectML, that will be part of Xbox Series X and Windows 10 via DirectX 12 Ultimate
Amd ceo called it rdna 2 . End of story rest are xbox fanboy fud . Keep it in your discord .or better yet go play some video games and enjoy ur life
it’s a cultural thing you wouldn’t understand it if you’re not an expert.
No ML means no DLSS like functionality. DLSS in some games is difference between 30fps and 60fps with actually better graphics (like in Control).I mean, you're right but..that's just reaffirming what this guy is saying. I think the bigger issue is when you look at the circumstantial evidence particularly Ariel and Oberon, their timeline, the earlier launch rumors, the rumors of heating issues with the devkits (not the retail system) etc.
There's a strong chance now people who were saying the system is base RDNA1 weren't wrong after all. HOWEVER, we can also clearly see they've done a lot of customizations, they've added things like the cache scrubbers, etc.
Some people are asking if the deal is similar with Series X; I'm inclined to say no, because we know that AMD could not get Primitive Shaders verified for support in DX12/DX12U because MS did not deem them sufficient enough. So it leads to possibility that implementation of Mesh Shaders on Series systems and PC RDNA2 GPUs was at the behest of Microsoft, seeing that Nvidia's solution was more fitting than AMD's. Also explains why PS5 has (customized) Primitive Shaders and not Mesh Shaders. There's nothing against the idea they could not have customized the PSers and/or parts of GE to "bring in" some of the functionality of Mesh Shaders though.
Honestly the bigger issues here are apparently no ML, no VRS etc. Those are going to create some notable differences going forward in the generation if true.
Yes there's also that. Think it's clear now that Sony, for various reasons, shifted a focus to SSD I/O in a way they felt befitting their design. The question is if this was in reaction to feeling they went with a GPU architecture design more in line with RDNA1 as its base, or if this is something they had planned from the absolute beginning?
Not having ML present, if true, is so crazy enough to me I'm willing to say it might be the latter. But it does mean the Series systems have more advantages in the GPU department than simple percentages can indicate.
If that info is true, then I'm almost certain that they started designing from SSD and then used rest of transistor budget to make as fast console as possible without compromising SSD speed. Similar to MS bet on RAM with XOne (more of slower ram and ESRAM to compensate).Yes there's also that. Think it's clear now that Sony, for various reasons, shifted a focus to SSD I/O in a way they felt befitting their design. The question is if this was in reaction to feeling they went with a GPU architecture design more in line with RDNA1 as its base, or if this is something they had planned from the absolute beginning?
Not having ML present, if true, is so crazy enough to me I'm willing to say it might be the latter. But it does mean the Series systems have more advantages in the GPU department than simple percentages can indicate.
According to RedGamingTech, Xbox Series X is not a full RDNA 2 either.
According to RedGamingTech, Xbox Series X is not a full RDNA 2 either.
His sources state that PlayStation 5 also has VRS and it will be using some features of RDNA 3.
According to RedGamingTech, Xbox Series X is not a full RDNA 2 either.
His sources state that PlayStation 5 also has VRS and it will be using some features of RDNA 3.
Obviously things get better, that goes without saying. But if there are generation defining upgrades, they don't just pop up in year 3. There are hints. Killzone and Horizon are a world apart, but not in a way that should surprise anyone who was paying attention.
My point is, if the SSD was going to push the PS5 a million miles beyond the Series X, we'd have seen it. And the same will be true for Thursday. No waiting past launch will change that.
According to RedGamingTech, Xbox Series X is not a full RDNA 2 either.
His sources state that PlayStation 5 also has VRS and it will be using some features of RDNA 3.
RedTechGaming is a independent youtuber that gets like 5,000 viewers. We have a Sony principle graphics engineer dev working on PS5.
Yeah........
Of course they're going to say that.. its called marketing, do you expect them to say "look how crappy this is compared to the competition!" Lol.Lol its fake as per usual with you xbox fan boys .
And he says I m under nda. But here are few secret info for no reason over pm so I lose my job and get sued by my company . Makes senseIt took more than 2 or 3 months after the cerny show for this guy to tweet this?
Wonder who paid and how much.
I love how you can tell the PS5 fans from other people by them always adding a superlative in front of "SSD". Even though it's known that the SSD is great just saying "PS5 SSD" is not enough. There needs to be a "blazing fast", "lightning fast" or "super fast".Mark Cerny actually said that the PS5 GPU is "a custom AMD GPU based on their RDNA 2 technology." Cerny never said that it was RDNA 2, but rather based on that architecture. Cerny customized the PS5 GPU to his vision to make the PS5 run more efficiently, better, and faster by getting rid of all the various bottlenecks and a blazing fast SSD. I trust Cerny's vision, and for him to deliver an awesome product. The PS5 is highly customized, and doesn't use the traditional PC parts, and it's better for it.
And he says I m under nda. But here are few secret info for no reason over pm so I lose my job and get sued by my company . Makes sense
As long as PS5 plays games..... I think I'll be fine!I don't know what any of this means. I'm just posting because I feel left out.
Lol sure enjoy ur x1x2 oops i meant xsx . I ll come back to you in 4 months when u say sony paid for parityYou're lying. He said the info he's giving is already out to the public, therefore its not under NDA. There is nothing secretive.
Somebody asked him a question and he answered it without fear of getting into trouble. Nothing more, nothing less.