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[Dee_Dee]

Oh this again. Don’t know if it’s true or not but we will find out in a few months

 

[oldergamer]

This moron is trying to get the guy fired. This thread needs to be locked

 

[SlimySnake]

Why is she giving the old guy head?

Because she is a good girl.

 

[MasterCornholio]

This moron is trying to get the guy fired. This thread needs to be locked

It really doesn't matter at this point. The damage has already been done.

 

[Bryank75]

Series X and PS5 started from the same base (RDNA2)..... so all of this is nonsense.

 

[Dee_Dee]

This moron is trying to get the guy fired. This thread needs to be locked

Wouldn’t matter. It’s already all over Twitter.

 

[Hobbygaming]

I'm super patient (just a bit unhinged), so I'll just keep my preorders and keep my eye on things.

If I feel pissed off about something I'll just keep one.

Yeah I hear ya. These are the same engineers that have been having the most visually impressive software for decades. Mark Cerny, the I.C.E team inside Naughty Dog, they know what they're doing and we'll see the fruits of their design choices very soon

 

[wordslaughter]

I'm expecting the XSX version of multiplats to easily win, damn near every single Digital Foundry head to head, all gen long.

So we have a PS5 with "up to 10Tflops" on RDNA 1.5 vs a "sustained 12Tflops" on full blown RDNA 2. It's not even close.

Can't believe PS5 is primarily Navi based. Yikes.

 

[Bryank75]

I'm expecting the XSX version of multiplats to easily win, damn near every single Digital Foundry head to head, all gen long.

So we have a PS5 with "up to 10Tflops" on RDNA 1.5 vs a "sustained 12Tflops" on full blown RDNA 2. It's not even close.

Can't believe PS5 is primarily Navi based. Yikes.

We'll see about that bub!

 

[BlueXImpulse]

You see there's only but one problem with this statement. It's grossly inconsistent.



Why is Mark Cerny talking about RDNA 2 CU's here if it is not an RDNA 2 GPU in the PS5? If it was RDNA 1.5 then he would be talking about RDNA 1 CUs. He said that it was an RDNA 2 based GPU. Base means starting point. Then you build on that.

 

[wordslaughter]

We'll see about that bub!

Yes, we will see that I am right.

 

[the_master]

There are NAVI-based versions with dedicated dot product processing.

AMD sells those cards specifically for ML work loads.

The guy is ignorant.

Sorry, you are saying that a principal programmer at Sony is ignorant? Who are you?

 

[Bryank75]

Yes, we will see that I am right.

.... ok

 

[YOU PC BRO?!]

Stop me if I’m wrong but it appears that the only RDNA2 feature the ps5 is confirmed to have is hardware based ray tracing???

If true, I wonder if feature cuts in the CU are due to the complexity mentioned in keeping the GPU compatible at a hardware level with the GCN based CU’s in PS4 and PS4 Pro.

Regardless, if I was Microsoft I’d be working overtime to develop a version of DLSS using ML similar to nvidia to push the competitive advantage they have.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

 

[Bryank75]

I agree!

 

[SlimySnake]

I'll still support PlayStation but this stuff is really pissing me off....

The incompetence between the way they handled TLOU2 leaks, the bad marketing job they did for Ghost of Tsushima, putting stupid games like Goodbye Volcano High in the PS5 reveal (I mean WTF)!

Then all of the bad messaging with the console.... if this is truly not full RDNA2, then they better be charging much less than the competition.

I'm still not totally convinced this is real cause we've seen a lot of misinformation put out there about PlayStation trying to damage the brand from..... well you know!

Anyway, if they start pushing streaming, I'll be done with them.... I'll just go back to being Nintendo only.

Oh my god, marry me. I think I have found the one person on gaf who thinks like me.

Yes, this is getting aggravating. Where there is smoke, there is fire. There have been way too many of these smokes around the PS5 and the reveal didnt do it any favors. No gameplay for horizon, demon and spiderman. Underwhelming graphics upgrade especially compared to Unreal Engine rebirth demo, and Hellblade 2. SSD was used as a gimmick by one game. How do we know it improves graphics in other games?

No real interviews by Mark Cerny to clear up any of these lingering questions. he did one interview with DF months ago and it didnt clear up anything. Phil is out there chatting with Washington Post and whoever would talk to him, and Sony cant send out their main architect to dispel some rumors about their console?

Is VRS in the console? Yes or no. Is Machine Learning in? What are the average clocks? Why are we relying on principal engineers and ex-architects on twitter to get our information when the specs have been out. When the console has been revealed. And the games have been shown?

We dont even know what kind of native boost mode will be on the PS5. It is atrocious marketing. I can understand engineering mistakes or limitations that made them go with a rdna 1.0 gpu and bolt on RT and machine learning and other rdna 2.0 features. I wont be happy, but I can understand that. But this kind of secrecy is just misleading at this point. People need to know whats inside these consoles so they can make an informed decision. I really dont care about specs enough to not buy a PS5, but on principle I think its important that all of these questions be answered. It's shocking how Cerny hasnt done a single video interview yet.

 

[sonomamashine]

I'll still support PlayStation but this stuff is really pissing me off....

The incompetence between the way they handled TLOU2 leaks, the bad marketing job they did for Ghost of Tsushima, putting stupid games like Goodbye Volcano High in the PS5 reveal (I mean WTF)!

Then all of the bad messaging with the console.... if this is truly not full RDNA2, then they better be charging much less than the competition.

I'm still not totally convinced this is real cause we've seen a lot of misinformation put out there about PlayStation trying to damage the brand from..... well you know!

Anyway, if they start pushing streaming, I'll be done with them.... I'll just go back to being Nintendo only.

Lol, first you got mad at Ubisoft and swore to never buy any ubi game, now you mad at Sony .
I hate to see you like this, don't worry man, stay strong, it's just a ...

As long as PS5 plays games..... I think I'll be fine!

... Nvm that was quick.

Will it feel bad when PlayStation sells 3 times more than Series X anyway?

What about when the exclusives on PS5 completely overshadow anything on the X?

It's ok, you can do what Xbox fans all do to feel better.... post spoilers about PS exclusives and reviewbomb...

And back to warring

 

[farmerboy]

Even as a layman, I understand that both apu's being "custom" is more important than being rdna 1 or 2.

Until we know the full extent of the customisations we know only a little.

 

[jigglet]

Sorry, you are saying that a principal programmer at Sony is ignorant? Who are you?

You seriously don't know who he is? Do I really need to point out who the fuck he is?

 

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[Bryank75]

Oh my god, marry me. I think I have found the one person on gaf who thinks like me.

Yes, this is getting aggravating. Where there is smoke, there is fire. There have been way too many of these smokes around the PS5 and the reveal didnt do it any favors. No gameplay for horizon, demon and spiderman. Underwhelming graphics upgrade especially compared to Unreal Engine rebirth demo, and Hellblade 2. SSD was used as a gimmick by one game. How do we know it improves graphics in other games?

No real interviews by Mark Cerny to clear up any of these lingering questions. he did one interview with DF months ago and it didnt clear up anything. Phil is out there chatting with Washington Post and whoever would talk to him, and Sony cant send out their main architect to dispel some rumors about their console?

Is VRS in the console? Yes or no. Is Machine Learning in? What are the average clocks? Why are we relying on principal engineers and ex-architects on twitter to get our information when the specs have been out. When the console has been revealed. And the games have been shown?

We dont even know what kind of native boost mode will be on the PS5. It is atrocious marketing. I can understand engineering mistakes or limitations that made them go with a rdna 1.0 gpu and bolt on RT and machine learning and other rdna 2.0 features. I wont be happy, but I can understand that. But this kind of secrecy is just misleading at this point. People need to know whats inside these consoles so they can make an informed decision. I really dont care about specs enough to not buy a PS5, but on principle I think its important that all of these questions be answered. It's shocking how Cerny hasnt done a single video interview yet.

Yes. I was always on the PlayStation train....I will get one but all of those are serious problems. Communication is terrible, I dunno what is going on but they really need to get a handle on messaging and start engaging with the community.

Back at the start of the PS4 Shuhei and Boyes and others put themselves out there and were talking to people. Now it's like Ryan is totally detached, up in some building somewhere doing no intereviews, no interaction...just nothing.

It's all being taken advantage of.... people are finding holes in what they've said and making it all into a PR disaster.

I'll just call it bad management.

 

[Cloaka]

Oh my god, marry me. I think I have found the one person on gaf who thinks like me.

Yes, this is getting aggravating. Where there is smoke, there is fire. There have been way too many of these smokes around the PS5 and the reveal didnt do it any favors. No gameplay for horizon, demon and spiderman. Underwhelming graphics upgrade especially compared to Unreal Engine rebirth demo, and Hellblade 2. SSD was used as a gimmick by one game. How do we know it improves graphics in other games?

No real interviews by Mark Cerny to clear up any of these lingering questions. he did one interview with DF months ago and it didnt clear up anything. Phil is out there chatting with Washington Post and whoever would talk to him, and Sony cant send out their main architect to dispel some rumors about their console?

Is VRS in the console? Yes or no. Is Machine Learning in? What are the average clocks? Why are we relying on principal engineers and ex-architects on twitter to get our information when the specs have been out. When the console has been revealed. And the games have been shown?

We dont even know what kind of native boost mode will be on the PS5. It is atrocious marketing. I can understand engineering mistakes or limitations that made them go with a rdna 1.0 gpu and bolt on RT and machine learning and other rdna 2.0 features. I wont be happy, but I can understand that. But this kind of secrecy is just misleading at this point. People need to know whats inside these consoles so they can make an informed decision. I really dont care about specs enough to not buy a PS5, but on principle I think its important that all of these questions be answered. It's shocking how Cerny hasnt done a single video interview yet.

Sony will never answer those questions tho.
And even if they have some tech or custom tech, they will never answer direct questions like "PS5 has VRS or ML?".
They will let people believe in wathever they want.

 

[Dee_Dee]

Some of you take this console stuff WAYYYYYY to seriously. Like literally going through the stages of grief just because your console of choice MAY be RDNA 1.5.

It’s just a piece of plastic

 

[iorek21]

Does that mean that the PS5 is even weaker than XSX?

If that's the case, then I'm shocked that Sony would deliver such an inferior product when compared to the competition, specially after nailing the PS4.

I'm very ignorant about hardware though, so if someone can enlighten me about the subject, I'd be very glad.

 

[OptimistPrime]

This is a big deal if true. Here is a very rough hypothetical breakdown.

12 TFLOPS
+ 25% ML upscale efficiency improvement
+ 25% IPC improvement (RDNA2 is supposedly 50% more than RDNA1, but I split that in half)
+ 25% VRS efficiency improvement

= 23.4TF or 130% performance difference over PS5

 

[SlimySnake]

Some of you take this console stuff WAYYYYYY to seriously. Like literally going through the stages of grief just because your console of choice MAY be RDNA 1.5.

It’s just a piece of plastic

meh, you are on a video game forum where people have been speculating about this hardware for 2+ years in a thread that has more than 100 thousand replies and like 10 million views. of course, people will care.

 

[The Alien]

So we could end up with a situation where we have one console with 10.2 RNDA1.5 tflop (variable) vs one console with 12.2 RDNA2.0 tflop (sustained)?

Perhaps the gap is bigger than the 17% people talk about.

OR its the same for Xbox Series X - it also use RDNA1.5?

Yeah that all may be true....but SSD.
YOU'RE FORGETTING ABOUT THE SSD!!!

 

[SlimySnake]

Yes. I was always on the PlayStation train....I will get one but all of those are serious problems. Communication is terrible, I dunno what is going on but they really need to get a handle on messaging and start engaging with the community.

Back at the start of the PS4 Shuhei and Boyes and others put themselves out there and were talking to people. Now it's like Ryan is totally detached, up in some building somewhere doing no intereviews, no interaction...just nothing.

It's all being taken advantage of.... people are finding holes in what they've said and making it all into a PR disaster.

I'll just call it bad management.

Yep. it allows for ridiculous takes like this below to perpetuate.

now apparently xbox is literally 2x as powerful. lol

This is a big deal if true. Here is a very rough hypothetical breakdown.

12 TFLOPS
+ 25% ML upscale efficiency improvement
+ 25% IPC improvement (RDNA2 is supposedly 50% more than RDNA1, but I split that in half)
+ 25% VRS efficiency improvement

= 23.4TF or 130% performance difference over PS5

 

[Bryank75]

Lol, first you got mad at Ubisoft and swore to never buy any ubi game, now you mad at Sony .
I hate to see you like this, don't worry man, stay strong, it's just a ...

... Nvm that was quick.

And back to warring

Edited..I was a bit unfair to the Xbox crowd..... sorry!

I get carried away sometimes.

You have to see this from the other side.... this whole thread seems like a giant troll!

 

[M1chl]

This is a big deal if true. Here is a very rough hypothetical breakdown.

12 TFLOPS
+ 25% ML upscale efficiency improvement
+ 25% IPC improvement (RDNA2 is supposedly 50% more than RDNA1, but I split that in half)
+ 25% VRS efficiency improvement

= 23.4TF or 130% performance difference over PS5

I think ML is way bigger deal honestly, for actually saving performance.

 

[the_master]

O

Hey OP console wars make you look stupid.

OP shared info regarding only PS5.
You see console warring.
What you said XD

 

[OptimistPrime]

I think ML is way bigger deal honestly, for actually saving performance.

Yeah, you’re right. I was trying to be somewhat conservative. Even if the PS5 is less capable ML-wise, I’m guessing they could implement something with the shaders (like DLSS 1.9 on Control).

 

[Dee_Dee]

meh, you are on a video game forum where people have been speculating about this hardware for 2+ years in a thread that has more than 100 thousand replies and like 10 million views. of course, people will care.

Nothing wrong with caring but why the dramatics? Will Sony all of sudden not know how to make great games now? The games are still coming and will look great. That’s all I’m trying to say

 

[cragarmi]

So let's look at it logically for a second. You are building a soc which has to be capable of running next gen VR games as well as regular flat screen gaming. You have the chance to include features such as ML and VRS. ML could help push VR games to a much higher frame rate without affecting fidelity by using a form of MLAA. Why wouldn't you include this in your chipset, knowing the potential gains meet your objectives?. I appreciate that it's always a balance, but come on.

As far as VRS is concerned, it's a feature that less than 10%? of your customers are going to be able to use, and that's being generous. Need to save space on your die? Yeah that's getting cut.

Tbf I'm not confirming VRS has been cut, I just don't consider it would be a priority if your stripping out features anyway to make room for IO improvements.

 

[OptimistPrime]

now apparently xbox is literally 2x as powerful. lol

Well, I did say “if this is true”.

 

[Leonidas]

Some of you take this console stuff WAYYYYYY to seriously. Like literally going through the stages of grief just because your console of choice MAY be RDNA 1.5.

It’s just a piece of plastic

Sad to see Sony fans crying over such things, I for one have never cried on this forum due to lack of hardware power

 

[Jtibh]

Lots of neos lots of alt accounts and lots of old accounts with a post count just above 100.

Yep this is a lets trash ps5 thread.
Pussy's dont even dare to risk their main account cuz they know what comes next.

Sooooo many of these holy shit.

 

[Jtibh]

Sad to see Sony fans crying over such things, I for one have never cried on this forum due to lack of hardware power

Hahaha funny man. Thats why you are on the chopping block right?

But i like your sarcasm.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

This is a big deal if true. Here is a very rough hypothetical breakdown.

12 TFLOPS
+ 25% ML upscale efficiency improvement
+ 25% IPC improvement (RDNA2 is supposedly 50% more than RDNA1, but I split that in half)
+ 25% VRS efficiency improvement

= 23.4TF or 130% performance difference over PS5

But PS5 uses RDNA CU's. Regardless of what features may or may not be missing, it uses the same RDNA CUs. So those same IPC gains get attributed to the PS5 too.

 

[01011001]

the question is if the RDNA2 performance gains are there or not.

everyone knows that console chips don't exactly follow the PC market counterparts.
which is why the whole RDNA1 or 2 conversation was always fucking stupid to begin with

 

[Bryank75]

It must be because Sony is broke and can't afford RDNA2.....

They probably can't afford to make good games anymore either...

I heard PS5 is held together with chewing gum and doublesided sticky-tape too!

Looks like Xbox has next gen ON LOCK!!!

Streaming is the future and console sales don't matter.... but also they do!

Can't wait for Microsoft to charge extra to listen to the music that used to come with games.... bright future ahead of us guys! So Bright... CELEBRATE!!!!

Praise be to Timdog, who died for our sins!

 

[Hobbygaming]

Well well well. I guess there will be fewer pubic hairs on Naughty Dog's next gay sex scene.

The laughs going to be on you when Naughty Dog still has the best looking games next generation

 

[VAVA Mk2]

So we could end up with a situation where we have one console with 10.2 RNDA1.5 tflop (variable) vs one console with 12.2 RDNA2.0 tflop (sustained)?

Perhaps the gap is bigger than the 17% people talk about.

OR its the same for Xbox Series X - it also use RDNA1.5?

Microsoft already said RDNA2.

 

[VAVA Mk2]

Brace yourselves...a stream of SSD threads incoming!

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Well look at that. Leakers were right the whole time PS5 wasn't true RDNA 2.

 

[Bryank75]

Well look at that. Leakers were right the whole time PS5 wasn't true RDNA 2.

Praise be to Timdog who died for our sins!

 

[sonomamashine]

Edited..I was a bit unfair to the Xbox crowd..... sorry!

I get carried away sometimes.

You have to see this from the other side.... this whole thread seems like a giant troll!

(I'm neutral, i take no side) Don't worry i'm not the type of guy that get triggered and start spamming report everytime he reads a comment.
Are we friends now ? I really want to be your friend, i like you.

 

[Danny 117]

This thread has been pretty entertaining - keep it up guys!

 

[Bryank75]

(I'm neutral, i take no side) Don't worry i'm not the type of guy that get triggered and start spamming report everytime he reads a comment.
Are we friends now ? I really want to be your friend, i like you.

Of course, I leave my childish console warring in the threads... I like everyone here and I don't really mean to offend anyone!