ethomaz
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Just rember MS ships more 360 than Sony PS3 in holidays quarters.
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Sony Q3 FY15 Results - Beats Market Expectations & 6.4 Million Shipped PS4's
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Katana_Strikes
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So Sony have shipped 2/3 of what WiiUs LtD numbers and half of XBone LtD shipments too in just 1Q.
Yeah, I can only imagine that the UK being the most competitive place for MS outisde of the US is what triggered the crazy prices, and I'm sure Sony could afford those lower margins given the currency exchange. >_>
Zekra Dezivad
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In Q3 xbox 360 often sells better than PS3, USA market share in this timeframe is very important.
But I see that rest of the year is generally more favourable to PS3 (especially Q2).
I dunno, I've never heard the ZX1 so I can't say. However, I can say that the Sony PHA-1, Sony's other high end portable audio offering, is complete garbage. It also has high output impedance for whatever reason, making it terrible for audio devices with low impedance and all kinds of IEMs due to their typically uneven impedance curve. Additionally a good number of Sony's recent headphone output aren't particularly good (MA900 distorts when played loud, MDR-1A is pretty average, MDR-Z7 are clearly worse than most things in its price range) so forgive me if I don't think particularly highly of their portable audio offerings.
The whole rebranding of the Walkman into a series of high resolution playing audio players feels terribly cynical. There's an emerging market for it and it seems clear to me that their main focus is to find a way to push their DSD format. And the problem with this is that DSD is pretty much the definition of snake oil. Its a completely garbage format if you're one of those people who believe in the importance of ultrasonic frequencies. If you don't care about that, it doesn't do anything better than PCM.
To me, the device is no better than any other smartphone + good portable DAC/amplifier. Really, the Sony PHA-1 and DSD represent everything wrong that has happened with Sony - proprietary formats that don't really give the end user any real benefit and releasing products that are so bad that future attempts, no matter how good, are tainted.
I hope Sony don't lose the Tv and mobile divisions as it would leave me a much harder choice when buying electronics.
I look for the best value for money and I always seem to buy Sony. I have 2 Sony Tv's, a Z3 tablet, a Sony phone and a PS3/4/Vita.
I don't know why but for me Sony was always cheaper on the top ranch stuff for me.
The only Samsung item I have is a Fridge.
Sony just need to be more aggressive in its mobile advertising and push for more carriers in the US and it would do fine.
I look for the best value for money and I always seem to buy Sony. I have 2 Sony Tv's, a Z3 tablet, a Sony phone and a PS3/4/Vita.
I don't know why but for me Sony was always cheaper on the top ranch stuff for me.
The only Samsung item I have is a Fridge.
Sony just need to be more aggressive in its mobile advertising and push for more carriers in the US and it would do fine.
I would guess at least 1.2 million taking the PS3/PS4 split as a rough indicator. The PS3 has around 14-15% of the home console sales, if we take a similar amount for the PSP we get 1.2 million for the Vita.
But it is probably more because Sony stopped production of the PSP in July 2014 and in Japan, where the PSP was the strongest, the PSP only sold 100.000 for all of 2014. I don't think anyone is really ordering PSPs for their shelfs anymore. From here on now, we can practically take their portable shipments as Vita numbers.
Nightengale
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Honestly? Andrew House would probably be happier.
Without TV/Mobile Division 'shackling' the constraints of SCE, it would allow SCE to basically partner with other OEMs without needing to take its sibling into account. Go to Samsung, LG, whoever, and license PSNow en-mass.
sems4arsenal
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Their line of phones is excellent to be honest (coming from an owner of a Z2 that got ruined after 10 minutes in a pool but stiil).
Ninja Scooter
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Advertising it as playable on everything under the sun, the way every other successful app/service company does it.
If PS Now is ever somehow successful, it won't be because Sony uses it as some kind of Trojan Horse to get people to buy Sony TVs and phones, it will be because people who have Samsung and Vizio phones and TVs will be using it as an app.
Nightengale
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I'm not a fan of glass-sandwich design ( metal body pls ), but Sony's the only OEM who actually gives a rat's ass about actually having good battery life on its flagships.
Battery > all. Long live longevity.
As a Z3 user - I agree. Battery life in this phone is simply AMAZING.
hydrophilic attack
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I would be sad to see them get out of mobiles and TVs
The Xperia Z line is great, with pretty good battery life too. And they are best on the market for gaming TVs with really low input lag. They have a low-price line of screens with the lowest input lag available and really good picture, for what you're paying. The only downside is no 3D, which I will happily give up for such a good deal.
The Xperia Z line is great, with pretty good battery life too. And they are best on the market for gaming TVs with really low input lag. They have a low-price line of screens with the lowest input lag available and really good picture, for what you're paying. The only downside is no 3D, which I will happily give up for such a good deal.
And probably over 19 mil. sold trough.
michaelius
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Am I reading it right that TV division actually had some profits for last 3 quarters ?
yes
They managed to to such number in January 2014 because of the supply limits and consumer demand after launch in late 2013. I don't think there will be such a big demand for PS4 in January of 2015.
kitschbeam
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I hope they will continue developing Xperia phone. Z3 is my first android phone after using iPhone for a long time. Didn't regret my decision at all, Z3 is simply amazing.
Point of PSNow is ultimately to be on everything, not just Sony devices. In fact if there was some constraint to just Sony devices, it would ultimately get in the way of PSNow. But there isn't - they've already signed a deal to put it on Samsung TVs IIRC, there will be a iOS/Android app etc.
LiquidMetal14
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PS4 putting in work.
Ravage_Hydra
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Great Numbers For the PS4
IndoAssassin
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So has Kaz officially turned the company around or is it still too early to tell?
-Pyromaniac-
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It's Sony's fault though. They fuck up in every aspect of mobile other than making solid phones. When it comes to worldwide availability and marketing they fail. Their 2 flagships a year thing is also silly as hell. No other big company like Samsung/HTC/Apple/LG/Motorola has an issue releasing their phones worldwide on a timely schedule but Sony for some reasons can never grasp it.
It's hard to quit that market though for the same reason Microsoft won't quit despite windows phone not really catching on considering how much they spend on it. It's basically giving up on the biggest market of the present/future. Especially after seeing them apple profits. Everyone wants a piece of that pie.
Great numbers for PS4 though.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
We'll know in 12 years.
sems4arsenal
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I agree (don't mind the glass), also love their software (the skin) so I really hope this division does well for them in the future.
airmangataosenai
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And 360 didn't too? We have sales figures that point to a massive decline for them as well in America, and they aren't even tracked in Japan anymore. Where are the people who throw out high estimates for 360 shipments over the past 9 months suggesting the sales are coming from? Europe, where they barely had a presence last gen outside of the UK? It's possible and (maybe) even likely they outshipped Sony, but not by much.
KillerMan91
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In US yes but usually Europe has been slower to adapt new gen consoles and PS3 is stronger here. Pretty weird. Maybe X360 does really well in some developing countries because you can pirate software for it.
Mobile results:
So Mobile had increased sales and operating profit... net loss is due to write offs. People need to read IR docs a bit.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/150204_sony.pdf
So Mobile had increased sales and operating profit... net loss is due to write offs. People need to read IR docs a bit.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/150204_sony.pdf
Sorry but I have a PHA-1 also, plus I have lots of IEMs (though the PHA-1 usually drives my swans speakers). The PHA-1 sounds amazing through EX1000s which are my main IEMs, though they are 32 Ohms. Don't write off an amp because of one spec. And besides, different impedance can chance the sound depending on the design of each IEM. But there is no one special chosen impedance for each IEM to run at. Maybe you like the way your IEMs sound on one AMP, maybe you don't, but switch IEMs are your opinion might also switch. You shouldn't chose any audio deceive on specs. Just listen. Plus take a look at any professional review of that amp and try to find one negative impression of the sound.
For my speakers sound very, very nice using the PHA-1 and so do my main IEMs. I am 100% happy with it.
Oh and I haven't heard much of Sony's portable cans so I can't comment on them, just their high end IEMs which are excellent. If you get a chance try out the ex1000s. Provided you can get the right seal (and that is a huge if, I tried about 12 different tips before I found the right ones, rounded large complys) it has the sweetest high notes I have actually ever heard, more detail than almost anything with punchy bass (though some say light bass, but I think those people are just used to 'fun' sounding bass where I want accuracy).
As for DSD, yeah I don't care about it. Can't hear a difference even with my gear so I don't bother. But look at the review I posted, their one big negative (false negative) was the lack of DSD so you see why they must include it.
European markets almost all are having record PS4 sales. I doubt PS3 still sells much in these markets.
I was set to buy another Sony phone but.. Well the Chinese are just doing things better. The only thing that would tempt me to buy another phone that isnt whatever follows the OnePlus One would be something with top of the line specs and a case without any plastic in sight (someone please give me a brushed alloy and carbon fiber phone
). Don't provide that and I'll stick to the Chinese (and its Sony camera, at least they are getting a cut).
ethomaz
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I believe (guesstimates) that 360 shipped more than PS3 last quarter because looking to the shipment history 360 had this quarter better than PS3.
So at least 1.2m?
20 million. Nightengale didn't go to school. You're supposed to round
Yep I don't get it either. You continue courting and funding 2nd party like From Software, Quantic Dream, Ready at Dawn etc or partnerships with Capcom and the like. It's a 5-6 year cycle after all. That output on top of their first party is enough.
Banjo-Kazooie
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What's the point of them spending money they don't need to? They aren't exactly rolling in cash to be buying studios that are going to make them games anyways
SnowFlakeCake
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You're obsession with reasons as to why the PS4 had good bundles in the UK during Christmas and why Driveclub was high on the PAL charts is turning a tad unhealthy, you want to let it go.
Is this your first year in this great country? If not I ain't got a clue why you're shocked at good sales for electronics during the Christmas, it's always been awesome here for anything that is not an Apple product.
Canis lupus
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That's not true, historically PS3 has been performing better last quarter except for 2011 when 360 shipped 8.2m. edit: and 2008, other years either PS3 outperformed or they sold about the same.
Given that Verizon finally carries the Xperia line (on top of T Mobile), I was expecting better from the mobile division, but again they don't carry the actual flagship phone (only the Z3v, not the Z3 or Z3c which are both top 10 phones or better in most rankings) and VZ isn't exactly pushing them hard. Also lack of exposure compared to the latest LG or Htc. (Not even talking of Samsung or Apple).
I don't think that dumping Mobile entirely is necessarily the solution though, even if the constant R&d to release a new Flagship level phone every 6 months is rough.
All they need is a breakthrough phone and US/EU carriers to adopt them.
With the mobile problems, good results though compared to expectations.
I don't think that dumping Mobile entirely is necessarily the solution though, even if the constant R&d to release a new Flagship level phone every 6 months is rough.
All they need is a breakthrough phone and US/EU carriers to adopt them.
With the mobile problems, good results though compared to expectations.
Bananajama
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The 360 will definitely have good legs as a hardware only unit for developing countries because of the piracy capability.
I don't see any reason for that not to continue
I don't see any reason for that not to continue
High output impedance is demonstratively bad for any headphone with low impedance or wonky impedance curves. I've listened to PHA-1 and it is garbage. If you like it, that's fine but that doesn't mean its actually good.
People do design audio hardware to run with hardware that outputs certain output impedance. For some headphones, they might have followed the IEC standard of 120 ohms. For most portable headphones and earphones today, the output resistance they design around is ~0 ohms. Why is this? It is because dynamic driver headphones generally do not have flat impedance curves.
This is especially obvious with Sennheiser headphones (which I used with the PHA-1) who all basically exhibit exaggerated midbass bloat if plugged into high output impedance amplifiers. With IEMs? Certain IEMs, like the Sony EX1000 you own, have relatively flat impedance curves. For most others, this is not the case and high output impedance basically ruins whatever balanced sound they were designed with. For a lot of IEMs, its a random EQ that you have no control over.
The specsheet for these sort of things matter for a reason, especially for portable audio devices. Its why the top portable amplifiers like the Leckerton UHA-6S and LH Labs' Geek Out have output impedance of less than an ohm.
Oh alright that makes sense. Thanks!
No way to know for certain, which is entirely the point of using "family" grouping like that rather than giving numbers for the individual hardware shipments. Gotta make sure not to broadcast how underwhelming sales of your new console may or may not be by muddying the waters a bit.
After reading PAL charts threads for the past few months, it's hard to disagree with this.
KillerMan91
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Shipments for whole 2014
Vita/PSP
3.55 million
WiiU
3.34 million
Dat race.
Vita/PSP
3.55 million
WiiU
3.34 million
Dat race.
I was set to buy another Sony phone but.. Well the Chinese are just doing things better. The only thing that would tempt me to buy another phone that isnt whatever follows the OnePlus One would be something with top of the line specs and a case without any plastic in sight (someone please give me a brushed alloy and carbon fiber phone
OnePlus One is horrible proof if you wanted to say that "Chinese" do things better.