Dr Bass
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I don't agree with this, but that doesn't mean it isn't funny!You definitely didn't get that impression from NeoGAF, the sad dad walking simulator capital of the internet.
I don't agree with this, but that doesn't mean it isn't funny!You definitely didn't get that impression from NeoGAF, the sad dad walking simulator capital of the internet.
You're putting too much emphasis on third party multi-plat games in your argument. Sony's mains concern is pushing units on first and third party exclusives which add more to their revenue pool. Microsoft's main concern is getting as many people possible on Game Pass. Whether that means buying their system or not they don't really care since they are branching out into other mediums which will push Game Pass, not just the Series S|X this generation. If the Game Pass started to cut into Sony's first and third party exclusives sales then they will start to worry. Why do you think its been such a slow crawl for them to beef up any of their services?I'm not the first one to bring up Game Pass either, it was already being discussed.
And yeah, you're trying to draw me into a stupid console war, instead of just listening to the one point I was trying to make, which was that Game Pass is cutting into Sony's software sales.
That point I'm trying to make isn't "unverifiable" either, as it's the most basic common sense. I don't need a source to tell you that water is wet, do I? Are you suggesting that someone who owns both a Series X and a PS5 is MORE likely to buy a $70 game on PS5 rather than download the game via Game Pass? It really sounds like that is what you're laughing about. I said before, that even if it's a small % of lost sales that Sony thinks they'd earn otherwise, then they'd be concerned about that. This is basic business 101. You're laughing at that too. Why? It's obvious. You think businesses ignore that? This has been discussed ad nauseum for years.
The thing I said was "unverifiable" was lost sales. Sony can't know for sure how many sales they are losing to Game Pass. All they do is projections. I can't "give you proof", because there's none to give. But to deny that there's any affect at all is just wrong, which is basically what you're doing.
Nope, I'm talking about in general, the most basic supposition.So you are talking about MLB?
I know that. I don't disagree, and nothing i said suggested otherwise. Of course, I'm talking ONLY about multiplat. How else would what I'm saying apply? I'm talking about directly affecting sales of multiplat games.You're putting too much emphasis on third party multi-plat games in your argument. Sony's mains concern is pushing units on first and third party exclusives which add more to their revenue pool. Microsoft's main concern is getting as many people possible on Game Pass. Whether that means buying their system or not they don't really care since they are branching out into other mediums which will push Game Pass, not just the Series S|X this generation.
Ignoring the pertinent part of the point to make oneself look good also seems to be a core part of the experience here.The Eradicator talking about how Xbox users not buying Xbox games thanks to GamePass is somehow bad for Sony, in a thread completely unrelated to GamePass.
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You would know.Ignoring the pertinent part of the point to make oneself look good also seems to be a core part of the experience here.
Only Sony game on GP is MLB.Nope, I'm talking about in general, the most basic supposition.
But as a complete anecdote (I know anecdotes aren't allowed), MLB is a perfect example for me. I played it on Game Pass, and wouldn't ever have bought it on PS5. The last MLB the Show I had bought was in 2013, and I won't buy it again anyway. If it's on Game Pass, I might (probably not next year though). Same goes, again, anecdotally for The Medium, Control, etc. I would never buy The Medium, but I got 100% through Game Pass. I didn't care for it much, and would have been mad if I paid 60 bucks for it.
Idk I feel like I'm taking crazy pills in this thread. Am I to be led to believe that I'm the ONLY person in existence who is choosing to buy less games on the PS ecosystem right now? Full disclosure, I've been a Sony player from PS1-5, without skipping a gen. I drove 5 states away to get a PS5 on launch day. I also own a Series X, and I know what I'm buying, and where. I also know, based on reading forums and comments on YouTube, etc, that I'm far from the only one. Apparently, suggesting that anyone else thinks this way demands "hard evidence". Total sales seems to be the only "hard evidence" that most people can seem to want to use though.
They are pursuing. They don't need to abandon their core strength to do that.
SP will always be at the forefront. Afterall you can only have so many multiplayer games before you end up competing with yourself. Just ask Ubisoft.
Nope, I'm talking about in general, the most basic supposition.
So you're suggesting that Sony gives up on their biggest strength in SP and the reason for them leading console generations, for a market that's already saturated?Their core strength according to right now. If Factions II goes off, their core strength becomes multiplayer.
In the same way platformers were "their core strength" before they launched Uncharted.
But they are. Deathloop just released.No one who even remotely follows this industry expected Microsofts investments to start producing in 2021.
Yeah, we got enough of them overcrowding the market imo. I understand they usually make money, but hopefully this won’t take away on their focus on single player games if these multiplayer games succeed. That’s my primary concern. Wow. MAG 2 is making so much money for us. Forget about Rathet and Clank, we doing another multiplayer shooter!!!!Meh....they can make all the multiplayer games they want, I just won't be buying any of them. It's that simple.
So you're suggesting that Sony gives up on their biggest strength in SP and the reason for them leading console generations, for a market that's already saturated?
And that game's odds are stacked against it. It will probably flopNo.
I'm saying all business goes where the money is. Sony is no exception. They won't "abandon" single player because there's still tons of money in making single player games.
"...for a market that's already saturated?"
Imagine saying this on the same day Ubisoft, one of the most successful publishers in the industry, reveals it's new BR. Multiplayer is sure "saturated" alright.
And that game's odds are stacked against it. It will probably flop
Sony is still getting those 30% regardless if this BR flops or not.We've heard people say BRs are going to flop for 4 years now. How many times do you have to be wrong before you keep the flop card in your pocket? At a certain point, you have to ask yourself what you aren't seeing.
Sony is still getting those 30% regardless if this BR flops or not.
Like I said earlier you don't have any idea how business works if you write sentences like this.Makes you wonder how much 100 percent is if Sony isn't satisfied with 30 percent.
Naw this just makes us wonder what the hell you've been spewing throughout this thread.Makes you wonder how much 100 percent is if Sony isn't satisfied with 30 percent.
No.
I'm saying all business goes where the money is. Sony is no exception. They won't "abandon" single player because there's still tons of money in making single player games.
"...for a market that's already saturated?"
Imagine saying this on the same day Ubisoft, one of the most successful publishers in the industry, reveals it's new BR. Multiplayer is sure "saturated" alright.
Don't you and your buddies complain that all sony makes is single player third person games? I mean wtf. Sony can't win except win they are?It seems the future of PlayStation we have a ton of multiplayer investment. For someone who hates most multiplayer games and didn't get I to Starhawk, Resistance, Killzone and etc this is quite dissapointing.
We have the following based on official announcements, leaks and rumours
Deviation FPS game - Devs of Black Ops
FireWalk FPS game - Devs of Titanfall
Horizon multiplayer game
Guerilla Games 2nd project to be multiplayer - could be the same Horizon multiplayer game or something else
FireSprite Multiplayer game - Based on job positions
Factions - became its own thing and more ambitious so more resources put into this
Arrowhead next game - Sony published their previous game so likely to invest in this
Twisted Metal F2P - rumoured to be in development by Lucid
London Studio multiplayer game - they are hiring for a online game
inSomniac multiplayer game - they are hiring for a online game
That's a ton of investment for online games and I would have oreffered the resources to be double down on AAA singleplayer games. We already had Destruction Allstars which flopped. Sony has had issues previously creating a big online presence in a game where servers are shut or community is dead, just look at Starhawk, Twisted Metal, Resistance 3, Killzone 3 and etc. We are at a time where only a few online games succeed as the competition is strong and people don't have time to focus on a few online games at a time which leaves many online games being abandoned. There are some positives I'm glad Gran Turismo 7 is bringing back a decent singplelayer campaign. Ragnarok, Wolverine and etc all will be great singleplayer games. But with VR and multiplayer games which are 2 things I'm not interested in it seems the big singplelayer AAA games will be few and far between from eachother. And Sony could have upped the investment in more singplelayer games instead of multiplayer games which history has shown usually flop and get abandoned.
Successful businesses don't go around just chasing whatever is the latest trend. If Sony does manage to carve itself a pie of the multiplayer market, that will be an achievement for them and another source of revenue. However, to go from that, to abandoning their proven strategy that results in platforms with a 100+ million consoles sold every time and that so far has made the PS5 the fastest selling console around, and dump that to try to mostly pursue multiplayer games would be idiotic.
Yet still no fucking SOCOM.It seems the future of PlayStation we have a ton of multiplayer investment. For someone who hates most multiplayer games and didn't get I to Starhawk, Resistance, Killzone and etc this is quite dissapointing.
We have the following based on official announcements, leaks and rumours
Deviation FPS game - Devs of Black Ops
FireWalk FPS game - Devs of Titanfall
Horizon multiplayer game
Guerilla Games 2nd project to be multiplayer - could be the same Horizon multiplayer game or something else
FireSprite Multiplayer game - Based on job positions
Factions - became its own thing and more ambitious so more resources put into this
Arrowhead next game - Sony published their previous game so likely to invest in this
Twisted Metal F2P - rumoured to be in development by Lucid
London Studio multiplayer game - they are hiring for a online game
inSomniac multiplayer game - they are hiring for a online game
That's a ton of investment for online games and I would have oreffered the resources to be double down on AAA singleplayer games. We already had Destruction Allstars which flopped. Sony has had issues previously creating a big online presence in a game where servers are shut or community is dead, just look at Starhawk, Twisted Metal, Resistance 3, Killzone 3 and etc. We are at a time where only a few online games succeed as the competition is strong and people don't have time to focus on a few online games at a time which leaves many online games being abandoned. There are some positives I'm glad Gran Turismo 7 is bringing back a decent singplelayer campaign. Ragnarok, Wolverine and etc all will be great singleplayer games. But with VR and multiplayer games which are 2 things I'm not interested in it seems the big singplelayer AAA games will be few and far between from eachother. And Sony could have upped the investment in more singplelayer games instead of multiplayer games which history has shown usually flop and get abandoned.
You want TLOU2 multiplayer to fail?I am not intetested multiplayer. 99% of them are rinse and repeat. The bad thing is that once the game is success, forget about the developer making a proper sequel to one of their game. There are many examples including Warcraft, GTA, and TES.
I hope the next TLOU multiplayer game fails in gaining playerbase, because if that happens, Sony will shut tje rest of their multiplayer projects
Sony is smart enough to know that they have to keep the core PS fans happy while they dip their toes into MP, they won't ever have MP as their #1 focusLook at the games EA Activision made 20 years ago.
Now look at what they're working on today.
You can do this with any number of hugely successful publishers. The shift in resources towards multiplayer has been both obvious and lucrative for these companies.
The fact that Sony went from 0 AA or AAA exclusives for the duration of the PS4 life...to now having 10-12 multiplayer projects in the works, most of which will release in the first half of PS5 life, that should tell you something.
If multiplayer is the more lucrative market, Sony will head in that direction.
You will find the answer after taking a Reading comprehension courseYou want TLOU2 multiplayer to fail?
but why
I read your post.You will find the answer after taking a Reading comprehension course