I'll indulge you on your crusadeI'll probably avoid em, but if I trip over one or two, it won't be that big a deal.
I missed almost everything about Rogue One, actually.
I'll indulge you on your crusadeI'll probably avoid em, but if I trip over one or two, it won't be that big a deal.
I missed almost everything about Rogue One, actually.
Oh hey, just occurred to me:
I thought the trailer was okay. I'm not much for Tony being Spidey's main inspiration in this version of Spidey, but overheated superhot superhate of Tony aside, it makes sense for this version of Spidey (even though he really should be able to make a suit better than Starks but HEY WHATEVER) and I'm cool with seeing how it plays out.
I think whatever we're seeing in this trailer that's focused largely on the angst & disappointments of young Peter Parker is okay, but I feel like the stuff that isn't in the trailer, the stuff that deals with the high-school coming of age shit: THAT'S what's gonna make or break this film. If they really did try to squeeze a John Hughes comedy from 1985 into this 2017 superhero flick and managed to nail that, I'll be happy.
We're not really seeing any hints of that, just the basic Superhero beats. But those beats seem to be done decently, at least.
Are you seriously suggesting people have to heavily research a trailer in order to remember scenes when they are watching the movie?
is made possible by watching/rewatching a lot of the marketing
Are you seriously suggesting people have to heavily research a trailer in order to remember scenes when they are watching the movie?
It's one of the reasons I've backed out of a lot of trailers.
No, but I do find that the type of recall being discussed in this thread is the kind of recall I think is made possible by watching/rewatching a lot of the marketing as opposed to watching a trailer once or twice months before the movie drops.
I'm not saying they have to do that. But I'm saying a lot of them do. Voluntarily. Whereas you:
Which is cool! You already know you're going to watch the movie, and for you, you value the element of surprise enough that you don't actually make yourself watch commercials for things you're already sold on, much less watch them multiple times, much less look at gifs of moments, much less complain about how much you were spoiled by a basic recap of basic plot points tucked into two minutes of out-of-context imagery and sound without having any real frame of reference as to what the story really is.
I have a pretty decent memory. Not the greatest. I'm old now.
For example: I think I saw the Logan trailer something like - 3 times? Something like that. When I sat down to watch the movie, about the only thing I really remembered as the movie was playing was
"She's gonna cut someone's head off here"
and
"At some point they're in a car, he's bloody, and she's wearing sunglasses."
That was it. And in both cases, even if I hadn't seen the trailer, those moments would have seemed ridiculously obvious to me in the context of the film as it was playing. The experience I'd have been trying to preserve wouldn't have been preserved! The film itself was going to telegraph it to me whether I'd seen a commercial or not!
And I think in a lot of cases (the Wonder Woman on the jet example from earlier in the thread) the large majority of "AWW THEY SPOILED IT" moments people love to gnash over are moments that in the course of the film's run itself, were moments very heavily telegraphed. Not surprises. Things you will know are coming if you're paying attention to the movie as it plays even slightly.
The hypothetical "pure" experience never actually gets experienced. So you have people complaining about a thing they never owned being robbed from them by the marketing for a film that was never going to give them the experience they were pre-emptively protecting.
edit: Your avatar makes me grin. Goofy '80s Jeff Bridges is the best.
The style now is to really ram home a lot of the movie in the vein hope to draw people in. There is no longer any mystery, and i really hope in marketing terms it comes back.
This was the style when our parents and grandparents were alive, too.
You remember your parents ever giving a shit about spoilers the way we do?
It's a weird generational thing, definitely.
I wonder if Websites like TV tropes made this a thing? Some people seem to pay more attention to tropes or plot outlines themselves existing without thinking much about the execution.
What? No, I understand him perfectly. See the bolded? That's what I mean when I say people are watching commercials SPECIFICALLY for the purpose of trying to Solve for X. You're trying to beat the movie before you see it. That's not the trailer's fault, because obsessively rewatching the same movie commercial upwards of 5-6 times solely for the sake of trying to figure out the plot isn't the commercial's intended use.
That you think this is what you're supposed to do is what I'm trying to point out as a problem.
Like I said, the option where you start to think of movies less as games you need to speedrun and more like stories you experience for the sake of them never seems to be even partially considered by people who love to watch trailers for movies they already know they're going to see if only so they can complain that it "spoiled" everything for them.
The entire act is counterproductive. If you're that concerned with preserving the experience, why are you watching trailers? If you're watching the trailers, why are you using them as incomplete wiki entries?
95% of all the "faults" with a commercial along those lines aren't the commercial's fault. They're yours.
Ya'll won't give a fuck about this trailer on release day. (or hell, by the time Trailer #3 rolls around)
Finally a Spider-Man movie about learning the ropes and fighting an old guy.
There's less originality in this post than there is in that trailer.
There's less originality in this post than there is in that trailer.
I don't know what you hope to accomplish here by simply rewording your earlier overwrought argument about unnamed people employing underdeveloped thought processes regarding the overconsumption of over-designed commercial products, but you seemingly failed to notice that precisely none of it applies to me. I 1) do not consume marketing that way (please, don't insult me by assuming I give any intellectual credibility to marketing of any kind), 2) am not a fan of this or any other comic book property, 3) do not feel disappointment at the trailer since it looked and and progressed in exactly the way I expect a trailer for this kind of movie to, 4) did not seek out the trailer at all (as I said it came on during a commercial break on live TV of the show I happened to be watching, seriously did you even read the post you quoted) and 5) almost certainly do not have any hypothetical future experience with this film at all so there's nothing for it to ruin.That they're derivative is part of the point though. I'm not denying that they're derivative. I'm suggesting that being derivative is pretty much a given at this point, so maybe choosing (and it's always a choice) to consume marketing as some sort of mystery to unravel before watching the movie is even more a counterproductive and presumptive waste than it already is, because the nature of these things means any pursuit of surprise (again, as if surprise is the single sole benefit of storytelling) is probably going to be a disappointing, if not fruitless one. And if you're looking to preserve surprise as the key aspect of your hypothetical future experience, why are you seeking out trailers for the movie you already know you're gonna watch in the first place?
Well, I didn't really expect any different, but if that's the case, why is anybody else reacting to the trailer in the way that you disagree so strongly with? The very fact that people are expressing the reaction they are proves that, to them at least, it was surprising to them, which evidently means they didn't understand or expect the trailer to be that easy to write a complete plot outline from. Now I'm not making an argument as to whether that emotional reaction is justified either way (I think arguing as strongly as you are about other people's emotions is a little weird, to be honest), but on a purely empirical basis, your argument seems to simultaneously be that everyone knows trailers are going to be spoiler-ific so everybody expects to be spoiled by them, and also that only super-obsessive nerds who repeatedly watch the trailer and scan it for clues would be able to glean any spoilers for it. Which is it?Again, most people can and do understand this already. Before they ever click play on the second trailer for the 6th Spider-Man movie that is also the 16th movie in the continuous Marvel Cinematic Universe.
No you quite plainly aren't reading me correctly given that I explicitly said "Marketing products aren't inscrutable puzzle boxes. They're in fact designed to be accessible and digestible." Come on dude. Should I take this reply as anything other than a sign that you were so eager to prove that you knew exactly what I was thinking that you latched onto a few keywords that you think are peripheral to the conclusion you've already come to and are looking for ways to backfill evidence for just so you can repeat the exact same thing in the next post?But you're also, if I'm reading you correctly, seeing the commercial as first and foremost a puzzle to be solved?
You said -- or at least chose to specifically focus on -- that it took certain unspecified viewers multiple viewings and a particularly devoted mindset geared toward that purpose in order to suss out what I did. I employed neither of those things and I came to the conclusions that I did in real-time as I watched it. If you're now saying that those elements aren't needed at all -- and that's completely correct, I would expect anyone with a basic sense of object permanence and linear editing to be able to suss out what I did, it's not like we're dealing with Eisenstein montage here -- then great, we're on the same page, except then I don't know why you've repeatedly in this thread referenced those hypothetical over-obsessed fans in the first place since all that did was open the door for someone like me to come in and present a trivial counter-example.I didn't say it was hard (although people acting like sussing out very basic plot arcs for blockbuster films is a remarkable achievement does frequently happen),
I don't know what you hope to accomplish here by simply rewording your earlier overwrought argument
Better than spoiler lectures tho..😏
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