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SPOILER: Metal Gear Solid V Spoiler Thread | Such a lust for conclusion, T-WHHOOOO
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I think the Big Boss body double thing will always be polarizing, but overall, I expect this game will be remembered pretty fondly upon revisits. Honestly, the story isn't that bad. Yeah, there's the usual psuedo-science nonsense and some threads are clearly left hanging, but overall, I found the narrative enjoyable. And I've come to like the tapes over codec, too.
The real game is the game we have seen in the trailers, the real MGS5. We have been playing as a Phantom in the game as well as the game itself. To the world this is called "DOUBLEFIDDLED".
Berserker976
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WrenchNinja
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I like the way you think.
Mr. Smiley
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Okay, I think I missed the disarming nukes thing. What the hell? How much was cut?
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I think that happened in a Japanese audio drama or some shit.
You should finish the Paz story line...
Seriously, there's a reason why when we see Venom wake up in the truth ending it looks like a "memory". There's also a reason why we didn't see the escape to the whaling ship. Because non of it never happened. If The phantom could hallucinate Paz, Ocelot, Kaz, 11 photos, a butterfly and a whole medical room, why wouldn't he have hallucinated the whole game?
The memory of Venom waking up was Ocelot using words to control the subconscious.
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The Digoxin would've knocked Venom out, not made him run about the hospital.
So you disliked the gameplay/structure and didn't mind the story? You're in the minority there, pal. This is easily the best MGS in terms of gameplay (maybe not structure), but the worst in terms of story. Fake Big Boss plot is so stupid. It's a mess. So much shit unanswered and we didn't even see real Big Boss descend into madness.
There was no Paz retcon. Show her all of the mementos you get from fultoning the Mother Base soldiers (side ops).
Check the wall just outside of Paz's room.
I think it's still bad, even after finishing it.
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Fuck. Multiple lengthy cutscenes cut. ._. Or maybe the bolded is right.
KUT KONTENT IN VIDEO FORM.
This is the no nuke video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2E17aKPp_o
Maybe this triggers when every single FOB nuke is disarmed. SOMETHING THAT CAN ONLY BE DONE IN VIDEO GAMES (lol)
It's in the hallway outside her door.
I loved the gameplay. When I'm in a village stealth tranqing my way through, it's great. I don't like the mission-based structure.
V3n0m Sn4k3
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Whatcha guys think?
Took a while but I finally did it lol
Took a while but I finally did it lol
The "No More Nuke" scene would be the single biggest retcon in a series already overflowing with retcons.
The way the Paz story is in the game is the weirdest part, not her story itself. Like, its a random door 99% of people not visiting message boards will miss. Then to progress it, you have to do side ops missions which the game doesn't feel the need to tell you are connected and progress the talks you have with her. It's so disjointed and weird, but its not commented on because this game has so many other issues.
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if the cutscene triggers when every single FOB nuke is disarmed why dont we just try to get people to stop making nukes
also i'm treating MGSV as a fun sidestory not essential to the main games, except for the Zero and Strangelove tapes.
also i'm treating MGSV as a fun sidestory not essential to the main games, except for the Zero and Strangelove tapes.
Wow very nice !Whatcha guys think?
Took a while but I finally did it lol
Did you notice something extra or a bonus upon achieving 100% ?
Reizo Ryuu
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It does kinda tell you, all the pictures you get are paz related, and you show her one the first time the scene triggers.
The door is random because well, there is nobody to actually tell you she's there.
The Silver
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The Moby Dick stuff reminds me of the christian references in Evangelion. The christian stuff wasn't there because it had some deep meaning/relevance to the story, instead it was just because Anno thought it was cool.
KUT KONTENT IN VIDEO FORM.
This is the no nuke video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2E17aKPp_o
Maybe this triggers when every single FOB nuke is disarmed. SOMETHING THAT CAN ONLY BE DONE IN VIDEO GAMES (lol)
Regarding this
https://twitter.com/popcicle/status/642887363677454337
"if someone got this scene naturally, this early, I'm impressed"
"probably better players stop searching game files for what they think is cut and instead find the game that isn't"
I hope my FOB nuke joke theory wasn't actually close to being right lol
(assuming he just doesn't know what he's talking about tho)
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From the end of the last thread.
Meryl? Are we thinking of the same Meryl who IMMEDIATELY falls in love with Snake upon meeting him, who you're supposed to find on the base by looking at her ass, then is with you for all of three rooms before being captured for the rest of the game? At least Quiet can actually pull a trigger when you meet her.
The Boss and Olga and Sniper Wolf were good female characters though.
Oh, I see the connection now. I wondered why the plot hadn't progressed, but I now know I can push it forward a bit. Thanks!
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Re-watching some Peace Walker tapes and I'm not sure how I feel about the Forrest Gumping of The Boss
Zombie James
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If this is tied to FOBs being nuke free then it might as well be cut content.
Gouda Jouji
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What are the requirements for 100%? All main missions S-Ranked, all main mission objectives, and all side ops?
Smooth Operator
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All animals too.
You can see a child soldier placing flowers on the monument and if this is a late game thing it would be after they leave. Unless I'm mistaken, the game doesn't seem to acknowledge the existence of any child soldiers you extract other than initial five other than the existence of rooms specifically for them on Mother Base.
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He said he is surprised someone would find it this early if playing the game normally, so it probably doesn't involve everyone going nuke free, but rather requires some sort of extensive list of things to be accomplished.
They are brought back in ep51. It would be a discontinuity error if we didn't know about the mission. As far as I know, the ONLY thing actually cut from the game in a significant way is ep51, which Konami themselves revealed, and it's not on disc. So it appears that what people find on disc is in the game.
Yeah the photos are related, taken by the soldiers you bring back iirc. But the game only tells you after the fact. Did you figure out that after rescuing a mother base soldier you should go check on Paz, or did you know to do it because you read it somewhere?
It's great if games have hidden stuff in them, but this feels less like its a hidden easter egg and more like they ran out of time to work it in more cohesively to the experience.
Darkangel
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It would actually be a de-retcon in a way since Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake had a world without nukes.
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Meryl's whole thing was about how she maybe wasn't cut out to be a soldier yet and fighting though those insecurities, she fell in love with the legend of Snake, not the man himself since they break up between 1 and 2.
I agree, even if reddit, 4chan, gaf, etc, decide to pool together and never create nukes there's still a large quantity of players that probably haven't ever gone to a place where this has been posted.
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Wait what the heck are demon points.
Reizo Ryuu
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I figured it out the moment the photograph gets brought up, because I was wondering why I kept collecting them.
I stumbled upon her after collecting like 5 photos.
Gouda Jouji
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Hm, that sounds doable. I'm at 72% currently.
Right but ep51 isn't in the game at all, we only know about it from the collectors edition video. It would be weird if that cutscene is naturally in the game and they just assumed you would have youtubed ep51 for it make sense.
Going to brave this thread to ask the following:
I've beaten chapters 46 and now am looking at the credits after 45. Have I beaten the game? Do I need to beat Sahelanthropus extreme? It feels like that was the end right there.
And also, what kind of fucking shit storytelling do you have to have done when people need to ask "Uh, is it over? Is that it?"
I've beaten chapters 46 and now am looking at the credits after 45. Have I beaten the game? Do I need to beat Sahelanthropus extreme? It feels like that was the end right there.
And also, what kind of fucking shit storytelling do you have to have done when people need to ask "Uh, is it over? Is that it?"
Hidden number value, based on the acts of evil you commit in game. It enlarges Venoms horn.
Stallion Dan
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Do bad things and the Phantom's horn grows bigger and you cannot wash blood away.
Except he is such a good guy you'l never achieve this unless you build a nuke which instantly sets you in demon status
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Yes, you're done with the story. Mission 50 is just a rehash of mission 31, nothing new at all. Sucks, doesn't it.
Peace Walker 2 is a good way to sum up the faults of the game.
Yeah. What worked for Peace Walker (shorter missions that you can complete in a play 'session') doesn't translate as well to longer missions. There is a flow that's lacking in the game, and it takes away from the sorts of things the open-world is meant to add. You finish a mission, then you are shown how well you done in the mission, what soldiers you picked up, and if you decided to evac by helicopter you leave the open world entirely. I feel like 'living in the world' would have suited having an open world more.
Traversal not being fun was a big issue of mine too. It just ... isn't. The most positive thing I can say about the open world navigation is that it is less of a pain in the Africa region when compared to the Afghanistan region. And good point on the pre-mission landing zones; with a lot of the mission information unknown before landing it's difficult to tell if there is a more optimal landing zone than the default. Most of the time I just went default.
Yeah, so many of the missions are tantamount to the Side-Ops in Ground Zeroes; they pretend to be story relevant but they aren't or barely are. Chapter 2 adds retreads into the mix and is a sad experience overall because of it; playing through a tutorial again is pretty ridiculous.
But yeah, it felt like padding. There's a 10 hour experience in Chapter 1 that the game surrounds with missions that they didn't make the effort to build into the narrative.
Tapes struck me as a particularly lazy way of conveying the story. They're lore dumps; "Here's your story, separate to the experience of playing the game". Not being able to convey fairly important elements of the story within the game itself, even in cutscenes, strikes me as a failure of the story. Then again I don't know how necessary the tapes are to the understanding of the plot as I did listen to most of them.
Quiet made me think of The End, and I couldn't enjoy the fight for what it was. I did enjoy the faster pace, sprinting and dashing between cover. I didn't really like any of the boss fights. The Man on Fire disappointed me particularly as it seemed like a good Metal Gear Solid boss fight set-up executed poorly; instead of being chased by him in a building, or a closed environment, I'm running around him as he appears threatening. My boss fight ended with him tripping into the reservoir, lol.
Most of what I wanted to climb I was able to navigate. There were times where I slid where it seemed like I shouldn't have, but that's the result of having a large open world, I suppose.
The ending strikes me as something not even Kojima put much thought into. It's like a meta statement that intrudes on the actual canon.
Well, I don't know about Eli.
But Chapter 2 was very much resolving stuff because it had to be resolved, with not care put towards pacing or structure.
It wasn't quite a retcon actually. You have to complete the 'quest'.
And Miller's eyes look blind, but nothing he does seems like he's blind. It's strange. I honestly can't tell if he's supposed to be blind.
Someone on Reddit made this analogy. "MGSV is like eating into something delicious and realizing it's more and more uncooked as you get eat into it". As you say, the gameplay is superb. A lot of it is brilliant. But there are definite flaws.
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