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[Lokaum D+]

Given the current state of the industry, Jason could very well be a bad, abusive man who mistreats Lucia.

At some point, she's going to betray him and turn him in to the police or kill him.

Lol, Jason is a trans men and Lúcia a trans woman and they ll fight bigotry together.

It ll even have a unskipable mission where you need to go in the gay parade, also, you cant hurt anyone at the gay parade.

 

[Interfectum]

Lol, Jason is a trans men and Lúcia a trans woman and they ll fight bigotry together.

It ll even have a unskipable mission where you need to go in the gay parade, also, you cant hurt anyone at the gay parade.

Jokes aside there's no doubt Lucia could have romantic scenes with woman to both appease LGBTQ and horny boys. The big question is are they going to do anything with Jason in that regard... that's where the controversy would be.

 

[MazingerDUDE]

Because a lot of discussions center about sexual orientation

Because that's all they do.

For a person with sanity left, it's hard to understand what's there to take pride into for what you do on bed at night.

 

[Gonzito]

Because that's all they do.

For a person with sanity left, it's hard to understand what's there to take pride into for what you do on bed at night.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Jokes aside there's no doubt Lucia could have romantic scenes with woman to both appease LGBTQ and horny boys. The big question is are they going to do anything with Jason in that regard... that's where the controversy would be.

tbf even lesbian romantic scene would be controversial, is Lucia doing Eve or Hog Alloy ? if its Eve everything is fine, otherwise we riot.

 

[adamsapple]

This does not happen. Rahul Kohli confirmed that this doesn't happen in the story. It's people just reading into things too much.

Where did he say that this doesn't happen?, also regardless of what he said we've both played the game and the scenes and notes and implications are extremely brazen. I think we both initially came to the same conclusion, even if they try and retcon it after the fact.

 

[Black_Stride]

Look mane as long as your game is actually good whether its woke or not shouldnt matter.
(Though usually the game is only called woke if it fails, if it succeeds people seem to just brush all the woke shit under the rug).

Im loving all the defense force coming out for it though.
I wont find out the actual story of this game till much much later hopefully the spoilers will be outta my head by then.(As if I actually care about the story lol).

 

[Three]

Where did he say that this doesn't happen?, also regardless of what he said we've both played the game and the scenes and notes and implications are extremely brazen. I think we both initially came to the same conclusion, even if they try and retcon it after the fact.

On reddit. I didn't come to that conclusion at all unless you're talking about somebody else. It's not really a retcon, there was nothing concrete to suggest there was a relationship, it was all based on people thinking Seb was too "zesty" in language when talking with Arjun. They thought they have some kind of gaydar but their gaydar was proved to be wrong by people who would know the script better. It wouldn't even make sense because in the Banyan flashback it's a woman and a man in the dialogue and he's obsessing over Nitya.

 

[adamsapple]

On reddit. I didn't come to that conclusion at all unless you're talking about somebody else. It's not really a retcon, there was nothing concrete to suggest there was a relationship, it was all based on people thinking Seb was too "zesty" in language when talking with Arjun. They thought they have some kind of gaydar but their gaydar was proved to be wrong by people who would know the script better. It wouldn't even make sense because in the Banyan flashback it's a woman and a man in the dialogue and he's obsessing over Nitya.

You can't just say 'on reddit' and not post a link to it, lol.

Also, once again, the way the dialogue is written, the pining long looks, the Nitya accusation in one of the flashbacks and especially the parting dialogue between Seb and Arjun in the final banyan tree flashback is pretty evocative, even if neither of the characters outright says that yes we had an affair.

It's extremely easy to see why a lot of people are coming to that conclusion.

Just to make it clear, I have no issue with that plot point in the game at all. My story issues are the poorly told nature of it in the game first and foremost.

 

[duck_sauce]

Yes but please let's try to find a middle ground here, you and I both know that in the last years the woke agenda has been pushing homosexuality in every TV show, movie, videogame and any sort of media so it makes sense to be cautious when consuming media as a result. Its a logical reaction

Sony has been pushing the woke agenda in many of their games, this is a fact and we have countless examples, Spiderman 2, The Last of us 2, Ragnarok, Concord etc.

So in a game where you shoot aliens in the space and the story is 5%of the game, seeing this type of content again is a fucking huge red flag

How is this conclusion incoherent? I think it makes sense to come to this conclusion because Sony has been doing it over and over for a while now

I am trying to be reasonable here, there is no doubt in my mind that this more signal pandering. There was no need to make the wife bisexual and the main character sexuality ambiguous. Its again the same pattern for God's sake

I agree overall.

Forced pronouns, body types and a myriad of genders, body positivity where clearly health issues are present, prensenting trans women as real women (i have no problem with trans people though) all that grinds my gears when it is forced on people as a moral compass all have to live by. To the that is woke and needs to be adressed.

I just had a problem with clearly homophobic comments on gaf and discussion in here shift more and more to homophobic and miogynistic comments. Thats stupic, thats not anti woke, thats just homophobic or miogynistic. Just the presence of a gay character, or female protagonists is totally fine for eyample. Remember when gamers lost their shit (in a positive way) when same sex marriages where possible in rpg games?
As long as it is not forced or told with a moral high ground it is fine, great even. I dont care. All my arguments where based on my impression that people in here are even offended by same sex content or women, which is truly weird.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

People acting like it's an insane hallucination that Sony would put woke stuff in one of their games are hilarious.

Like, have you been in a coma the last decade? lmao

 

[Fake]

Given the current state of the industry, Jason could very well be a bad, abusive man who mistreats Lucia.

At some point, she's going to betray him and turn him in to the police or kill him.

100% sure will be a route to her to kill him.

Now, I can't be sure if will be a route for him to kill her.

 

[Three]

You can't just say 'on reddit' and not post a link to it, lol.

https://www.reddit.com/user/RahulKohli13/

Happy? This was days ago.

Also, once again, the way the dialogue is written, the pining long looks, the Nitya accusation in one of the flashbacks and especially the parting dialogue between Seb and Arjun in the final banyan tree flashback is pretty evocative, even if neither of the characters outright says that yes we had an affair.

It's extremely easy to see why a lot of people are coming to that conclusion.

So they looked at eachother so what. What Nitya accusation? She never accused him of being gay ever, either of cheating with another woman, or murder either. She simply said "I know" which can be about his cheating with that woman or the murder if even anything at all.

The final flashback isn't evocative of them being gay. It's one of killing a friend/partner. One where he pretended that friend/partner meant nothing to him when he killed him and was living with himself as if it meant nothing.

Others say that "S"/Seb is akin to "the stranger" in The King in Yellow and is just a part of Arjuns inner thought, his masked self. Listen to the dialogue of S with that perspective and you'll get a different vibe. Notice he looks at an invisible gun/medallion when the flashing lights come as if he is back in the real world deciding what to do and then S disappears before Arjun stares directly at the player. The same police lights at the alternative ending of the game.


There are different interpretations and it's not that I can't see some thinking he's gay. It's the fact that people are trying to claim their interpretation is somehow cannon and other interpretations headcannon when even the creators are directly saying their thoughts on it is not the case.

 

[Sooner]

This does not happen. Rahul Kohli confirmed that this doesn't happen in the story. It's people just reading into things too much.

He confirmed the pic of the wife and the black woman was AI and fake. But, she DOES fall in love with a different woman after leaving the MC. That other woman somehow turns out to be your talking suit. If that was explained, I long quit caring about the story by the time it was explained.

The MC does have an affair and kill his friend to cover it. It is heavily hinted that he had the affair with that same male friend, but I'm not sure if it's ever 100% confirmed im game.

 

[Gonzito]

I agree overall.

Forced pronouns, body types and a myriad of genders, body positivity where clearly health issues are present, prensenting trans women as real women (i have no problem with trans people though) all that grinds my gears when it is forced on people as a moral compass all have to live by. To the that is woke and needs to be adressed.

I just had a problem with clearly homophobic comments on gaf and discussion in here shift more and more to homophobic and miogynistic comments. Thats stupic, thats not anti woke, thats just homophobic or miogynistic. Just the presence of a gay character, or female protagonists is totally fine for eyample. Remember when gamers lost their shit (in a positive way) when same sex marriages where possible in rpg games?
As long as it is not forced or told with a moral high ground it is fine, great even. I dont care. All my arguments where based on my impression that people in here are even offended by same sex content or women, which is truly weird.

Listen, I personally have nothing against gay people. I have known many throughout my time working in a gym back in Spain, and they were great people. Seriously, I never had any issues with any of them, and frankly, they can do whatever they want in the privacy of their own bedrooms.

What I hate is being preached to in video games. I have said this countless times. I do not want to be preached to in a video game, and I do not understand why every game has to include lesbians, non-binary people, and homosexuals. It feels forced and, in a way, like indoctrination. Gay people are supposed to be a minority, and yet they seem to be everywhere. Just watch Netflix and you will see what I am talking about. It is exhausting.

On a side note, there are many games I love, like the Mass Effect Trilogy, that have incredible characters who can be romanced by both male and female Shepard, and that is totally fine. I never even thought about it because that is not what defines them. What defines them are their personalities, well-written stories, and strong dialogue. That is what I want from a video game, and this is why I hate wokeness, because it prioritizes political ideologies and activism over writing compelling stories and characters.

So I hope my position is clear on this matter and why I believe Sony is doing the same with this game, because their track record matches the same pattern

 

[Three]

He confirmed the pic of the wife and the black woman was AI and fake. But, she DOES fall in love with a different woman after leaving the MC. That other woman somehow turns out to be your talking suit. If that was explained, I long quit caring about the story by the time it was explained.

The suit/AI is a corruption of Arjuns mind. She left to do something with her life and pursue a career.

The MC does have an affair and kill his friend to cover it. It is heavily hinted that he had the affair with that same male friend, but I'm not sure if it's ever 100% confirmed im game.

That's not hinted at all though. In fact it's hinted that he sleeps with a woman and that is what you hear in the dialogue in the Banyan tree.

 

[Ursus Vindicant]

Returnal was amazing and the story was better than I think a lot of people gave it credit for.

It may not have been a structured narrative, and felt like at times it was making it up as it went along but there were a few moments which really stuck with me.

Saros does not sound like its going to appeal in the same way sadly. Compared to the weighty themes of Returnal, Saros sounds like an office drama.

Plus I loved that Returnal was absolute rock hard and made no compromise.

 

[adamsapple]

https://www.reddit.com/user/RahulKohli13/

Happy? This was days ago.

So they looked at eachother so what. What Nitya accusation? She never accused him of being gay ever, either of cheating with another woman, or murder either. She simply said "I know" which can be about his cheating with that woman or the murder if even anything at all.

The final flashback isn't evocative of them being gay. It's one of killing a friend/partner. One where he pretended that friend/partner meant nothing to him when he killed him and was living with himself as if it meant nothing.

Others say that "S"/Seb is akin to "the stranger" in The King in Yellow and is just a part of Arjuns inner thought, his masked self. Listen to the dialogue of S with that perspective and you'll get a different vibe. Notice he looks at an invisible gun/medallion when the flashing lights come as if he is back in the real world deciding what to do and then S disappears before Arjun stares directly at the player. The same police lights at the alternative ending of the game.


There are different interpretations and it's not that I can't see some thinking he's gay. It's the fact that people are trying to claim their interpretation is somehow cannon and other interpretations headcannon when even the creators are directly saying their thoughts on it is not the case.

That's the thing about ambiguous interpretations, it can be interpreted in multiple ways. You saw it different from me and vice versa.

 

[Three]

That's the thing about ambiguous interpretations, it can be interpreted in multiple ways. You saw it different from me and vice versa.

Yes but people are claiming their interpretation is somehow cannon or more true than people who say there was nothing of the sort. This despite the fact that the actor who has a better grasp of the script and what emotions he was asked to convey saying there was nothing sexual between them and they were friends. You're more than free to interpret/think up whatever you like though. That's up to you.

 

[Bojji]

Because that's all they do.

For a person with sanity left, it's hard to understand what's there to take pride into for what you do on bed at night.

What a repulsive bunch.

And the best thing is, this part of the community is making the bad name for all gay people (most of them are "normal" - they don't scream to strangers what their sexual orientation is).

 

[KanKamAndNob]

 

[KanKamAndNob]

What a repulsive bunch.

And the best thing is, this part of the community is making the bad name for all gay people (most of them are "normal" - they don't scream to strangers what their sexual orientation is).

Tbf, I think it's the tranny part of that 'community' that gives the alphabets the bad name. Most gay guys are pretty normal for the most part. I don't think you can be normal and be a troon honestly.

 

[MacReady13]

I just had a problem with clearly homophobic comments on gaf and discussion in here shift more and more to homophobic and miogynistic comments. Thats stupic, thats not anti woke, thats just homophobic or miogynistic. Just the presence of a gay character, or female protagonists is totally fine for eyample. Remember when gamers lost their shit (in a positive way) when same sex marriages where possible in rpg games?

Clearly my comments in here were a fucking joke pal (and I can only speak for myself). I am not homophobic/mysogynistic or whatever other fucking bullshit you want to level at some of us. But facts are facts- a women who is married all of a sudden finds herself in the arms of a woman is a crazy twist that only Sony could push in an effort to include some type of fucking lgb representation into this game.
The main guys "gaze" into another mans eyes seems clear to me that they're implying he is falling for his friend. Gay, straight or whatever doesn't faze me in the slightest, but it just seems so fucking convenient that in a Playstation game they put it into a game with "straight" characters.

Lets say the shoe was on the other foot- the lead guy was gay and his husband left him over his abuse but fell into the arms of another woman. Then, the main character, talking to his female friend starts looking lovingly into her eyes implying he is now batting for the "other team". How would the woke fucktards take that? Would they complain that a gay couple couldn't and shouldn't be represented as straight cause the devs are just trying to appease the "alt right nazi bigots"... Am I right or wrong here?

 

[Bernardougf]

"Gay vibes" that don't make sense at all if people are using the Banyan tree flashbacks where the dialogue is a woman. Sure people may have picked up or interpreted gay vibes from just "partner, friend" or "what was I to you" but I think that tells you more about their own interpretation of the world and wanting gay things in the game. Others saw things differently and the people involved in creating the game have even said Arjun wasn't in a relationship with Seb. Yet you still want to see it how you see it. Cool, but you can stop pretending it's somehow "more true" or not headcannon though.

Ill tell you this brother.. if you are a straight male, not gay and a soy milk cuck, you will never adress your friend like that , but keep pretending is normal bro language

I remember clearly people laughing at lord of the rings the dialog between san and frodo as being gay as hell... I laughed and said it didnt felt this way to me but I could understand where they were coming from ... well saros totally bro dialog is 100x more gay than that.

 

[Three]

Ill tell you this brother.. if you are a straight male, not gay and a soy milk cuck, you will never adress your friend like that , but keep pretending is normal bro language

I remember clearly people laughing at lord of the rings the dialog between san and frodo as being gay as hell... I laughed and said it didnt felt this way to me but I could understand where they were coming from ... well saros totally bro dialog is 100x more gay than that.

Like what? You could say Seb (his Enforcer partner/friend) might be gay but nothing Arjun said was ever gay sounding even.

You remind me of this shit:



Guy is obsessing over Nitya and you're out here nah he must be gay bro. Too hard to admit you're just making up horseshit like this:

Yes.. he cheats on his wife with another man.. than kills that man to hide the truth

It would be like me saying Frodo and Sam don't throw the ring in the volcano but get married with it and fuck. What am I basing that on? Their dialogue sounded fruity bro.

 

[Bernardougf]

Like what? You could say Seb (his Enforcer partner/friend) might be gay but nothing Arjun said was ever gay sounding even.

You remind me of this shit:



Guy is obsessing over Nitya and you're out here nah he must be gay bro. Too hard to admit you're just making up horseshit like this:


It would be like me saying Frodo and Sam don't throw the ring in the volcano but get married with it and fuck. What am I basing that on? Their dialogue sounded fruity bro.

I said my piece, like I said, keep pretending is normal dialog, or maybe for you really is normal dialog, for me is not and never will be. But im straight. Bye bye

 

[Three]

I said my piece, like I said, keep pretending is normal dialog, or maybe for you really is normal dialog, for me is not and never will be. But im straight. Bye bye

Sure keep pretending what you're saying is true. bail out when you can't back up your complete horseshit story of Arjun sleeping with a man that never happens based purely on "how they speak". Better yet put your money where your mouth is. post the gayest thing Arjun says in the game then show me how it's "100x gayer" than the stuff that happens in lord of the rings:



Where they stare into eachothers eyes all the time like they're about to kiss most of the time. Sam asks to "share the load", says "It's your sam" and they kiss eachother on the forehead lovingly.
Doesn't mean they're gay or fucked and you understand that. But when it comes to this game what are you basing it on.

At worst you can make seb sound a little gay for pondering what Arjun considers him, a friend or a work partner, but how you went from that to "Arjun cheats on his wife with another man in the game" is asnine and I think you know it.

 

[TintoConCasera]

"100x gayer" than the stuff that happens in lord of the rings

You are an idiot. Really man, going as far as trying to shit on one of the best written things that exists in this rotten world that depicts the best traits that humanity can display and you and call it "gay"? And all of that to defend a Sony game?

Dude do you know what fellowship is? Friendship? Honor? Go read a book and stop being such a dumb fanboy, Jesus.

 

[Three]

You are an idiot.

And you're an imbecile. He's claiming the dialog is 100x more gay

I remember clearly people laughing at lord of the rings the dialog between san and frodo as being gay as hell... I laughed and said it didnt felt this way to me but I could understand where they were coming from ... well saros totally bro dialog is 100x more gay than that.

So show what dialog you consider as 100x more gay. I'll be waiting.