Yep. The only explanation I need is "the force".
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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Ether_Snake
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The cartoon is as stupid as the prequels, I'm happy ignoring them, and ignoring anything that isn't the movies really.
Yea those are some interesting theories. Also I want them to be both Jedi to help teach a new Jedi Council. Which is where I think this new saga is trying to head too. Snoke and Lor San Tekka were all referring for the Jedi to rise soon!
TheCarrotKiller
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Finally got to see the movie! Now give me all the spoilers!
First impressions:
It was awesome!
I'm most attached to droids in the entire saga. BB8 was a great new addition.
Max von Sydow was the worst actor.
I hate Hex.
Please tell me Snoke is just a giant hologram and not a giant.
Who dafuq is Snoke?
Stunning acting although. Isaac, Ridley and Driver was splendid!
Han...
Beautifully shot, JJ did an amazing job.
Can't wait for episode 8!
First impressions:
It was awesome!
I'm most attached to droids in the entire saga. BB8 was a great new addition.
Max von Sydow was the worst actor.
I hate Hex.
Please tell me Snoke is just a giant hologram and not a giant.
Who dafuq is Snoke?
Stunning acting although. Isaac, Ridley and Driver was splendid!
Han...
Beautifully shot, JJ did an amazing job.
Can't wait for episode 8!
eyeball_kid
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Did you think Lando was a exploitative character? He wasn't tied to the heroes, he had his own business to handle, but he helped his friend Han because it was the right thing to do.
Finn so far seems a worse character, acting merely as Rey's foil, but we'll see where the next films take him. My main problem with him as he's written more as a Marvel character with the over-the-top reactions. The "Droid, please" one-liner was especially bad, as the OT films never inserted period catchphrases in order to appear more current.
TheOctodad
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It just seems silly. Star Wars is full of things that you can't "reason out" why get caught up in that one?
I had a thought I'm sure someone else has posted it before. But Kylo Ren seems to me to be a meta commentary. Kylo Ren wants to live up to this legend of Darth Vadar. Everyone wants a new bad guy to be as good as Darth Vadar.
They know they(writers?) cant really do that. It's like their wrapping up their angst into Kylo Ren and expressing it through him.
They know they(writers?) cant really do that. It's like their wrapping up their angst into Kylo Ren and expressing it through him.
Razgriz-Specter
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Fair points all-around, but I'm not sure I'd put any of them on the level of the main villain of the trilogy having such explicit ties to the prequels.
Of course, maybe I'm being too hard on it. We never saw Plagueis, and a good script can make him a very OT-esque creature simply by limiting his previous ties to "oh yes, and I was behind the every machination of your Emperor Palpatine."
Stopping it probably is more dangerous all things considered. What if Ren had gotten distracted somehow? I wouldn't put it past the guy. Would've hurt.
Just want to point out the Clone Wars does not say only Light Side users can see force ghosts. What it suggests is only light side users can be Ghosts because it requires complete abandonment of oneself to the force. The Sith are about using and abusing the force for the living moment.
Basically the Sith upon death go to hell while the Jedi get to live in eternity with the force. So it becomes logical the Sith are all about perverting life and trying to prolong it etc.
Basically the Sith upon death go to hell while the Jedi get to live in eternity with the force. So it becomes logical the Sith are all about perverting life and trying to prolong it etc.
Razgriz-Specter
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How much of it have you seen exactly?
well kylo ren wants to prove how strong he is. so he is showing off
And that's exactly what Kylo is doing. Showing off. He could have easily deflected it with his Saber.
WadiumArcadium
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The Clone Wars had some of the best story arcs the franchise has to offer. You're missing out.
I think Finn earns points for how adversarial he is to Kylo Ren. I've mentioned why before, but he strikes me more of an enemy to Ren than Rey.
TheOctodad
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That's what I was saying earlier. Kylo uses the force as a way to showboat his power to himself and others. He's trying to "prove" he is powerful - he's not trying to be efficient.
I was more talking about 'real' laser blasters not movie slowed down laser blasters.
The laser blasters used in movies is as absurd as the magic space magic powers.
BrokenFiction
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This is the wrongest of opinions. No one listen to this.
iRAWRasaurus
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Anyone think there is alot of abandonment issues?
Ether_Snake
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It's stupid because all of the stupidity of the prequels are there. I 100% agree with Plinkett's take on the prequels, so everyone having a light saber, the dumb jedi rules of celibacy, the Boba Fett clones, all this crap is in there. Plus I don't like cartoons
IIRC, Star Wars "lasers" are actually superheated plasma bolts or something like that, so they wouldn't travel at the speed of light and that's why they're fired off in rounds.
Well, your loss.
It's stupid because all of the stupidity of the prequels are there. I 100% agree with Plinkett's take on the prequels, so everyone having a light saber, the dumb jedi rules of celibacy, the Boba Fett clones, all this crap is in there. Plus I don't like cartoons
Well, your loss.
I'm sure Disney has some say in the overall tones and trends that the new flicks are supposed to be setting, though, and TFA is proof positive the answer there is unequivocally "OT."
But eh, like I said, I could be way too harsh on all this. It is probably possible to do a Plagueis thing without relying heavily on the prequels.
I still feel like it'll be something new though. More future storytelling potential there by far.
I see what you're saying. I can just see now the backlash if there was news of Hayden signing on for Episode 8. He's definitely a big point of contention when it comes to the prequels and if he was in any of these movies that in a way acknowledges those movies.
You know people in this fanbase would be pissed and they'd be loud about it.
Ether_Snake
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Well no, my gain, since I'm not watching something I don't like
I don't need more than a few movies with a few years in between. The movies better be able to stand on their own that's all I want.Well no, my gain, since I'm not watching something I don't like
Clone Wars animated cartoons are arguably better than the film franchise.
BattleMonkey
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It's stupid because all of the stupidity of the prequels are there. I 100% agree with Plinkett's take on the prequels, so everyone having a light saber, the dumb jedi rules of celibacy, the Boba Fett clones, all this crap is in there. Plus I don't like cartoons
Well the story group making these movies are not ignoring them, so you better not just blindly toss out anything in them just because you don't like em
More_Badass
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So you haven't actually watched the shows?It's stupid because all of the stupidity of the prequels are there. I 100% agree with Plinkett's take on the prequels, so everyone having a light saber, the dumb jedi rules of celibacy, the Boba Fett clones, all this crap is in there. Plus I don't like cartoons
gutter_trash
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It's stupid because all of the stupidity of the prequels are there. I 100% agree with Plinkett's take on the prequels, so everyone having a light saber, the dumb jedi rules of celibacy, the Boba Fett clones, all this crap is in there. Plus I don't like cartoons
+ the cartoons celebrate the flippity jumpy overly exagerated use of the Force by the Jedi seen in the prequals.
I am glad that JJ put an end to thos flips and spinaroonies and brought the bread-n-butter back in the use of the Force more like the OT
And the public at large would continue not giving a fuck.
civilstrife
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Sorry if already posted, but the voice saying "Rey" in the dream sequence was actually not Ewan Mcgregor.
It really was actually Alec Guiness.
It really was actually Alec Guiness.
Ether_Snake
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I'm not tossing anything away that is in the movies because it's in some cartoon or whatever. I enjoy the movies on their own, don't care in any way what a side show says or doesn't.
JJ already said that it was both.
You're doing yourself a disservice. Clone Wars is better than 1 2 and 3 and 7.
SenorPopOff
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A couple of my friends were disappointed that Finn did not turn out to be the leading Jedi but i wasnt because i suspected something was up from the beginning. The franchise is just too large for that to happen so i figured he would do something to get Rey to finally accept becoming a Jedi.
I just hope he isnt tossed aside as comedic relief and becomes a capable fighter in his own right.
That's the after the fact rationalization, when it was first shown, it was just laser blasters because that's what people thought of science fiction back then.
I don't think the general population knew or heard of the word much less the concept of plasma. And I don't think movie writers did either.
And hell, I mean, just look at all the professional reviews, too. The bulk of them just couldn't help taking pot shots at the prequel trilogy. "Unlike the insipid..." "Contrary to the dull, lifeless..." "There is actual warmth here, whereas..."
End of the day, I think what's going to matter to the suits is that goodwill is as strong as possible, and if we ans have to do some mental gymnastics to figure out why certain moments that should contain a bit more of a prequel feel are avoided in favor of more mainstream-savvy elements, I guess that's a small price to pay.
WadiumArcadium
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Yep and it's awesome. But it's Ewan that says "These are your first steps".
Yeah, that's one thing about the movie I was really glad they didn't prolong. Usually the "liar revealed" is some climatic scene and it's something that's early in the movie and gets dragged throughout the movie until then. Then you have to deal with a scene or so about him trying to get his good cred back. Here he spills the beans and just wants to leave and there's no big blowout from it either. That's a nice break from the usual bull that comes from these sort of character stories.
TheOctodad
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Well it makes sense given that they were trained for decades and the ones in 7 were all newbies.
I wouldn't be so sure "flippy" Jedi's are out for good. We'll see...
That's honestly what I was afraid of happening, the film making a big deal out of the lie. At least for her, the desire to not be left behind again outweighed the lie.
and 4 and 6
Not to mention you get a female lead who's not perfect and actually earns her incredible powers at the end.
VistraNorrez
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Kylo does a spin or 2 in TFA actually.
Razgriz-Specter
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Id say you are missing something you don't know that you'd dislike.Well no, my gain, since I'm not watching something I don't like
I hate doing this and wouldn't if it was anything else but Clone Wars really deserves a second look because its completely understandable that people would skip it without a second thought.
Rebels however the only guarantee really is Ahsoka's incredible redesign.
Now that's just crazy talk.
WadiumArcadium
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I love Clone Wars but it doesn't beat 4, 5 or 7 for me. Then again, it's quite difficult and a bit unfair to compare a six series TV show with a 2 hour film.
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