GoldandBlue
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But they've only completely remade FF3 and FF4. It's only two games.
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Square Enix: Where is our Final Fantasy VII remake?
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But they've only completely remade FF3 and FF4. It's only two games.
User 479360
Banned
I'd buy it
Although I put a lot of time into the game back on PS1, I never finished it because once I got to the final area I wasn't levelled highly enough. Didn't want to go back and spend hours grinding as a teen.
I'd play it smarter nowadays
Although I put a lot of time into the game back on PS1, I never finished it because once I got to the final area I wasn't levelled highly enough. Didn't want to go back and spend hours grinding as a teen.
I'd play it smarter nowadays
Natureboy99
Banned
No remake would stand a chance against the original games nostalgia. Everyone wants to recapture the feeling they had as a kid playing ff7, but I don't think a remake would give that. Instead, fans would hate all the ways it's different from the original. They would say it's lost its original charisma.
IDKAboutThat
Member
They said that unless they got the whole team, they wouldn't do it.
the only way I could see them conceivably doing a FFVII remake would be if it looked more or less the same as the original with higher-res backgrounds and character models...
but it feels like whenever the concept for a FFVII remake comes up people want something like FFXV or Advent Children-style fully explorable environments and stuff, and I just don't see that happening.
but it feels like whenever the concept for a FFVII remake comes up people want something like FFXV or Advent Children-style fully explorable environments and stuff, and I just don't see that happening.
LegendofLex
Member
The other FF remakes were:
- Remakes of sprite-based games where the biggest improvements were a better-localized script and better-quality sprites and music. (FF I & II remakes)
- Conversions of sprite-based games to cartoony DS graphics. (FFIII and FFIV DS)
- Higher-resolution remakes of 3D games (FFXHD, ports of FFIII DS)
There hasn't been a FF remake that has gone from FFVII quality graphics to FFVII tech demo quality graphics. The best you'd get is the equivalent of the higher-resolution FFIII DS ports, which I don't think would be a very good use of the FFVII name given that the game was founded on having cutting-edge cinematics and storytelling at the time.
Come on, man. The remakes for III and IV were low risk propositions. all the remasters and ports even moreso. Everything about a VII remake would be incomparably more risky, and not to mention difficult-impossible for today's SE.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
To be honest, I would be happy with updated visuals (backgrounds, menus, etc), new pre-rendered FMV sequences, and character models that look more like Dissidia and less like a boxy version of Popeye. Adding things like voice acting would be huge. Even if the game were released on the Vita or another popular handheld I would be okay with that.
I'm not really talking about making Final Fantasy VII look and feel like Final Fantasy XV. I know it would be a huge undertaking.
JordanN
Banned
I'm just putting it out there as a counter to those who say budget would be impossible or the graphics couldn't satisfy.
I'm aware Squenix avoids the Vita but that doesn't mean things can't turn around. Hell, it could even be an opportunity to subsidize the costs of a remake.
Squenix: Hey, Sony. We're interesting in remaking FF7 and we were thinking about PS Vita...
Kaz Hirai: Holy shit, you're remaking FF7!?!?!
*grabs sacks of money*
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
I don't think there's any game more special to me than FF7, but I'm not convinced that a remake would be worth the creative effort. I've posted my thoughts on this topic before:
TetraGenesis
Member
Square Enix, you keep your grubby mitts off of Squaresoft's masterpiece.
RPGCrazied
Member
I'm sure they are keeping this close to their vest until they really are in dire need of money. I still think we will get one. I hope though we get remakes not just for VII, but VIII and IX as well.
You know what? I want this remake to happen too.
I want Square to spend millions of dollars and several years remaking a game from 1997, then release it so it may stand on shelves both real and virtual next to things like Persona 5 Ruby, the new game in the Xenoblade series, whatever SMT we will be up to then, Fallout 4/and or Elder Scrolls VI, Mass Effect Whatever, and Dragon Age: Whatever Ever Else
Because when stacked up next to contemporary RPGs form both sides of the pacific, perhaps the games true nature of serviceable but not spectacular will finally be proven and the this worship born of nostalgia may end.
And there shall be peace in the Internet. Such a glorious peace.
I want Square to spend millions of dollars and several years remaking a game from 1997, then release it so it may stand on shelves both real and virtual next to things like Persona 5 Ruby, the new game in the Xenoblade series, whatever SMT we will be up to then, Fallout 4/and or Elder Scrolls VI, Mass Effect Whatever, and Dragon Age: Whatever Ever Else
Because when stacked up next to contemporary RPGs form both sides of the pacific, perhaps the games true nature of serviceable but not spectacular will finally be proven and the this worship born of nostalgia may end.
And there shall be peace in the Internet. Such a glorious peace.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
FFVII coming out in the pre-rendered era is an unfortunate period for those who want remakes.
If you take a 16-bit game, it's relatively easy to redraw the sprites or render them in simplistic 3D chibi Art.
If you take a PS2-era game, you can just up-res it to HD.
But those pre-rendered games in the 32-bit era cannot be upscaled... And the graphical detail in those pre-renders imply graphics that would be a lot of work to recreate in HD. You could go for pre-rendered artworks in HD, but that is a huge job, and pre-rendered is way out of style. You could render the art in real-time... But would you keep the same overhead camera? If not, you've got a AAA 3D game on your hands, with a pre-existing level layout and scenario that dictates a certain scope... And that scope is massive.
It would be the opposite of most remakes. Instead of having a lot of the game done for you, just waiting for a shiny coat of paint, it would actually be a far bigger game design than the original.
If you take a 16-bit game, it's relatively easy to redraw the sprites or render them in simplistic 3D chibi Art.
If you take a PS2-era game, you can just up-res it to HD.
But those pre-rendered games in the 32-bit era cannot be upscaled... And the graphical detail in those pre-renders imply graphics that would be a lot of work to recreate in HD. You could go for pre-rendered artworks in HD, but that is a huge job, and pre-rendered is way out of style. You could render the art in real-time... But would you keep the same overhead camera? If not, you've got a AAA 3D game on your hands, with a pre-existing level layout and scenario that dictates a certain scope... And that scope is massive.
It would be the opposite of most remakes. Instead of having a lot of the game done for you, just waiting for a shiny coat of paint, it would actually be a far bigger game design than the original.
GoldandBlue
Member
Like I mentioned earlier, they did this with FF6 and FF8.
FF6 during the N64 era
FF8 for the PS2 era
I'm pretty sure the reason they didn't do it again this time around is cause people assume they're game announcements now. So they likely didn't wanna set peoples hopes up for another remake of a FF on the PS4/XBone
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Heh, you know what? I don't like 8 nearly as much as 7, and I'd much rather see a remake of 8. That game would translate beautifully to HD.
Maybe they can fix the battle system while they're at it. >_>
JordanN
Banned
I haven't played it but Ocarina of Time 3D does away with the pre-renders while still keeping the same camera angle.
Of course, it's not a complete remake and it's also made for 3DS hardware but just saying...
itzknickknac
Member
To OP and all others alike,
I think it's been time to hop off the invisible remake wagon.
But on another note.. they've been doing remasters from FF1 to FF6, so who knows, so maybe they will.. maybe.
I think it's been time to hop off the invisible remake wagon.
and
Please understand.
But on another note.. they've been doing remasters from FF1 to FF6, so who knows, so maybe they will.. maybe.
Probably not
Please don't
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Of course you could do it. I just don't see them diving into a massive 3D rendered game with the same over-head perspective.I haven't played it but Ocarina of Time 3D does away with the pre-renders while still keeping the same camera angle.
Of course, it's not a complete remake and it's also made for 3DS hardware but just saying...
And if the camera is brought down to character level and full rotatable? Boom. You have 1000x more design work to think about. It's a brand new game you're essentially making then.
So much more than just rendering 3-4 pre-rendered Ocarina scenes in real time.
Zeyphersan
Banned
Remaking FFVII is the same thing as just making a whole new game, since none of the assets can be reused or anything
What you're saying is "I want Square to make a whole new FF, budget and everything, but to follow the exact storyline from 1997"
If our options are FFVII remake for the same cost as FFXVI, I'll take FFXVI thanks
What you're saying is "I want Square to make a whole new FF, budget and everything, but to follow the exact storyline from 1997"
If our options are FFVII remake for the same cost as FFXVI, I'll take FFXVI thanks
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
I haven't played it but Ocarina of Time 3D does away with the pre-renders while still keeping the same camera angle.
Of course, it's not a complete remake and it's also made for 3DS hardware but just saying...
Nothing against OoT, but its pre-rendered backgrounds don't hold a candle to FF7's. There's a lot fewer of them, for one, and the ones in FF7 are bursting with gorgeous and intricate detail.
This is the big sticking point for me. I'd play an HD FF7. Of course I would. But I'd rather play something completely new.
Um, Squaresoft didn't make FF7, Square did. Squaresoft, for the most part was Square's western branch that handled localizations of Square's software. I think the only games they actually made were Mystic Quest and Secret of Evermore.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Well put.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Except Squaresoft was a brand in Japan too. I'm looking at my Super Famicom games right now, many of them say Squaresoft.
Square Co Ltd was the actual company name, so that's probably why you got this idea.
blankempathy
Member
I know what your saying but its the truth. Current se is incapable of recapturing the charm ff7 had. Look how overly serious and dull most of the characters in xiii are. Do you really think they can do sections like the bumblebee inn or cloud cross dressing and not completely ruin the goofiness of that part of the game? How about cloud? Ff7 cloud is no where near as mopey and boring as every other version after him. He was cocky and talkative. Even after falling into his rut he came out of it and became the leader. Hes nothing like that now. Yea a new ff7 remake would be flashier and nicer but it would be all style no substance.
FFVII is a product of it's time. As much as I love the game, for a remake to be meaningful, it would have to be so radically different from the original game that it would likely be almost unrecognisable, except for the plot.
I'd much rather Square Enix spent their time and resources trying to surpass FFVII, than make it all over again.
I'd much rather Square Enix spent their time and resources trying to surpass FFVII, than make it all over again.
Now we got people begging for Agni.
This.
patrickthehedgehog
Member
The broad range of tone the game has would never be able to be properly conveyed by current Square-enix in their realistic graphic style without coming off incredibly cheesy.
It would either be too serious or too obnoxious.
Do not want.
It would either be too serious or too obnoxious.
Do not want.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_%28company%29
It was a publishing branch for NA. The SFC games you are referring to are probably Japanese versions of Secret of Evermore and Mystic Quest or something like that.
It certainly would. And FF6 has a much better story and main villain than FF7.
let me put myself in SE's shoe to answer ur q OP.
1st of all, that FF7 tech demo is a tech demo, it was never meant to be a remake.
2nd, and one of the important reason why you are not getting one- SE can release the same exact old FF7 for eternity and people like you will buy it and play it to death. Why should they even throw in millions to remake it when they can just put in relatively no effort and milk FF7 fans? the idea of spending millions to make a game look great again is not what business is all about.
1st of all, that FF7 tech demo is a tech demo, it was never meant to be a remake.
2nd, and one of the important reason why you are not getting one- SE can release the same exact old FF7 for eternity and people like you will buy it and play it to death. Why should they even throw in millions to remake it when they can just put in relatively no effort and milk FF7 fans? the idea of spending millions to make a game look great again is not what business is all about.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Nope. It's on all of their Japanese releases from the SFC-PS2 days. Just google a few Japanese Square boxarts to confirm ... Even the Japanese FFVII.
It's clear that Squaresoft was their branding in all countries for a long time. It's not wrong to call the old version of the company Squaresoft.
thewhitehawk
Member
You can't believe people want to see a very successful 15 year old game remade, but you believe that a game that's been in development since 2007 that hasn't shown any new footage in years will eventually reach your console. That's a bit weird, if you ask me.
I think the reason why a lot of people want a remake is that unlike 6, VIII or IX, FF7 sits in an awkward place where it's the last great Final Fantasy game whose graphics haven't stood the test of time (even though personally I find them charming). IMO there's a lot more charm and character in FF7's big-headed "chibi" 3D models than there is in the recent FFs millions-of-poligons-waifus, but that's a topic for another discussion.
Another reason is perhaps because Square has proven a few times in a row already that they're incapable of producing new main-series Final Fantasy games that live up to the level of the "golden age" ones (their term, not mine)
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Japanese FF7 with Squaresoft logo. Five seconds in Google.
You can stop being dickishly argumentative now.
I'd be okay with that too.
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Actually no..its not better in anyway.
FF7 works as a whole.Its look , its localization, its music every thing is a perfect fit together.
The remake would result in a totally different game and,ultimately, not worth it.
Imo the Lego character models aged really well.Because ,well, they look like lego.
Yup yup yup.
It feels like people don't realize that remakes require a lot more energy, time, and money than simple remasterings.
Alcoholikaust
Member
too many people split from the DEV team. who would make it Square or SquareEnix? Therein lies the problem.
oh and Toriyama has said he wanted nothing to do with a remake iirc
oh and Toriyama has said he wanted nothing to do with a remake iirc
Japanese FF7 with Squaresoft logo. Five seconds in Google.
You can stop being dickishly argumentative now.
And you can stop being dickishly condescending and insulting. And I don't see how I was being argumentative. I was just posting information I know.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
You called somebody out for merely mentioning the name "Squaresoft" in passing and then told somebody else that his games don't actually have the logo he says they do. And you were wrong the whole time.
How is that not being a dick?
Well, according to Verendus it's already in development but the announcement is way off.
Even though FFVII is my all-time fave I still don't think a remake is necessary and it probably would lose a lot of its charm and quirkiness that wouldn't work with a realistic look otherwise. With the number of changes that would have to be done you could very well just make a new main-line title instead.
To be honest, I think FFXV is not that much less of an effort as a FFVII remake. With such a apparently huge open world and several big cities and villages is it really much more work than FFVII? I'd say it's similar. But as I said, I'd rather have that man-power be used for FFXVII (or FFXVI which is also already in development according to Verendus).
Even though FFVII is my all-time fave I still don't think a remake is necessary and it probably would lose a lot of its charm and quirkiness that wouldn't work with a realistic look otherwise. With the number of changes that would have to be done you could very well just make a new main-line title instead.
To be honest, I think FFXV is not that much less of an effort as a FFVII remake. With such a apparently huge open world and several big cities and villages is it really much more work than FFVII? I'd say it's similar. But as I said, I'd rather have that man-power be used for FFXVII (or FFXVI which is also already in development according to Verendus).