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Star Wars is getting brand new Expanded Universe
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Darkmakaimura
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Star Wars EU was getting ridiculous anyhow. Apparently there was some kind of device that could destroy the universe, Palpatine could open wormholes through space and time and blow up worlds using the Dark Side of the Force easier than it was for him to take a shit, etc. SW was becoming un-SW-like with some of the EU out there like badly written fanfiction.
There was the original series in 2006, and currently Dark Horse has an ongoing called Legacy that started last year.
I'm wondering if this new series has anything to do with this new EU. Are the comic fans already getting a sneak peak of what's to come?
Hmmm. Was this befire or after he came back by transferring his conciousness into a clone body and using a giant gun to blow up planets in addirion to the mega super star destroyer he built that had the death stars cannon?
Bobby Roberts
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Nope. Nothing published by Dark Horse is part of the Story Group's unified canon going forward.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I don't know but apparently whether it's pre or post, he didn't need giant guns to blow up planets. He just used the Dark Side to do it.
SargerusBR
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Curious fact: Revan and Darth Bane were supposed to appear in a episode of Clone Wars as Force Ghosts but GL said to remove them since he did not created them.
Mara Jade I could think of worse tattoos really.
I hope they do something with KOTOR and the Thrawn stuff.
Doublesith
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Curious fact: Revan and Darth Bane were supposed to appear in a episode of Clone Wars as Force Ghosts but GL said to remove them since he did not created them.
Darth Bane is a Lucas creation - which is why he ended up appearing in the last arc of the show and voiced by Mark Hamill.
Freezasaurus
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I kinda doubt it. Dark Horse was doing their regular Star Wars thing when Disney swooped in and bought the franchise. I think everyone realized at that point that the license wasn't getting renewed, and would instead get tossed to Marvel. I haven't decided yet whether it's a smart business decision on Disney's part, or if they're just being dicks. If they get a killer creative team on the new books, I'll be happy.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
:0 still haven't watched Season 6, fun to know at least Bane is secure in the canon then.
Schweinehund
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Sounds good to me.
The one fear of new movies has been realized...
I never wanted to see film adaptations of EU stories, I just wanted the EU not to be wiped away. My love for the franchise is basically gone. There were no new movies to get me hooked on Star Wars, hell, Shadows of the Empire is what got me into Star Wars.
I never wanted to see film adaptations of EU stories, I just wanted the EU not to be wiped away. My love for the franchise is basically gone. There were no new movies to get me hooked on Star Wars, hell, Shadows of the Empire is what got me into Star Wars.
BattleMonkey
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The EU still exists basically, and it's going to keep being published under a new label, it's just it's own closed universe now. It's not being erased and years from now the 20+ years of material is still going to keep getting printed. It came to an end, now they get to reboot and follow a new continuity on a clean slate
He never said anything along the lines of him not creating them, they were just dumped ideas without any reason given or even if it was GL's call.
And actually Darth Bane was his creation and appears in the novelization of TPM.
Bane as envisioned by the books can be totally different from what GL had in mind, and with what LFL does with him in the future. His ghostly appearance in S6 of TCW looked nothing like any version of Bane we know of.
Curious fact: Revan and Darth Bane were supposed to appear in a episode of Clone Wars as Force Ghosts but GL said to remove them since he did not created them.
He never said anything along the lines of him not creating them, they were just dumped ideas without any reason given or even if it was GL's call.
And actually Darth Bane was his creation and appears in the novelization of TPM.
Bane as envisioned by the books can be totally different from what GL had in mind, and with what LFL does with him in the future. His ghostly appearance in S6 of TCW looked nothing like any version of Bane we know of.
I've actually been impressed with what DH has been doing with Star Wars comics lately. I've been getting the Darth Vader miniseries (he's such a badass).
I hope Marvel doesn't screw up the Star Wars comics. Dark Horse has been doing a good job.
We broke a timeline, didn't we? Star Wars has new 52ed.
Doctoglethorpe
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I really don't care what they say, I'll accept that post-movie era is dead for sake of making room for new films, but thats all (and already too much considering how great the Zahn books are). Pre-movie era has a lot of great (and important) stuff and until they give me a good reason not to, I'm considering it all still canon. Especially the Darth Plagueis and Bane novels and the old republic stuff. Unless they replace it with something better, fuck them and this whole "nvm that didn't count, we'll let you know what really happened eventually, maybe, if we feel like it" mentality.
It really irks me, if they do it now, whats to stop them from doing it again in 20 years when Disney sells the bled-dry brand no the next big company and they decide to wipe the slate clean too. It gives the universe a profound insecurity in how accurate any historical information is.
tl;dr: screw this, I'll decide my own canon.
It really irks me, if they do it now, whats to stop them from doing it again in 20 years when Disney sells the bled-dry brand no the next big company and they decide to wipe the slate clean too. It gives the universe a profound insecurity in how accurate any historical information is.
tl;dr: screw this, I'll decide my own canon.
Spectromixer
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I really need to watch The Clone Wars. Especially now that it's official canon and stuff.
With room for the creators of the new material to draw from Legacy EU stuff they think is worth keeping/expanding. It's a great way to jettison the 95% or so of the EU that is awful crap and keep the 5% that's worth integrating into a more planned whole.
Freezasaurus
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They'll probably screw up if they go with their default "Bendis writes everything!" solution. Bendis is a great writer, but he's incredibly formulaic.
Frank Zappa
Banned
I have a stupid question...
Is a regular bullet faster than a laser from a blaster? In the movies they seem to be very slow.
I mean... Could a Jedi block a bullet with a lightsaber?
Is a regular bullet faster than a laser from a blaster? In the movies they seem to be very slow.
I mean... Could a Jedi block a bullet with a lightsaber?
Freezasaurus
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A Jedi could probably stop a bullet with the force. As to whether a bullet is faster than a laser, I guess that depends on whether we're talking real physics or wacky sci-fi physics.
Mortimer Brewster
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The one bright side to the seperation of the EU from the JJ verse is when the JJ verse ends up being really bad it will be easy for old EU fans to ignore it and go back to the old EU as their version of the post ROTJ Star Wars universe.
Blasters shoot discrete packets of plasma energy or something, they're not supposed to be laser guns. So blaster bolts move significantly slower than bullets. "Clumsy and random," as Obi-Wan said. Some kind of Force shield would probably be a better defense against bullets.
I have a very, very hard time believing the new movies will be worse than the post-RotJ EU. A very hard time.
Doctoglethorpe
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Thats exactly what they just did and that is exactly the problem. They are basically saying that all new stuff will be a new canon, if you want the old stuff to be canon its not our fault if the two have glaring inconsistencies, take one or the other or deal with it.
They could have so easily worked with the established history and still had infinite room for creative visions to lay new ground, but instead they took the cheap rout of just ignoring all of it, with no care in the world for the core fanbase.
Core fanbase of what? Most people don't even know what the EU is. And no, the post-RotJ timeline was so massively screwed that there was definitely no way to fit new movies in there anywhere. The post-RotJ stuff was going away for sure, no matter what they decided about the overall EU.
Thug Waffle
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Expect Thrawn to persist.
Mortimer Brewster
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Starfighters of Adumar was pretty awesome too, the interplay between Wedge,Janson and Hobbie was golden. And it even gave the typically blander Tycho a few good lines.
I'd say both the Heir to the Empire arc and the Hand of Thrawn duology are fantastic, to the point where I considered the end of the Hand of Thrawn arc as a fitting conclusion to the Star Wars saga and happily ignored the New Jedi Order books (albeit gradually). I will say that the Han Solo Trilogy spins a fitting origin yarn and gives Han and Boba Fett some great moments (which were already non-canon due to the prequels). In the end, though a single continuity was an impressive achievement, this is largely necessary and unsurprising. I thing that, as long as both continuity arms are well curated, I don't see why one couldn't enjoy stories within both.
Edit: I stopped reading any Star Wars books a long time ago, but my impression was that the post RotJ timeline was fairly cohesive until the New Jedi Order. I would have liked for characters like Thrawn and Mara Jade to have remained canon, and believe they could have done so had they wanted to. Lucas chose to respect the EU by retaining the name Coruscant after all, a name conceived by Zahn. The new films could have done the same, at least in part.
You are absolutely preaching to the choir. I didn't want them to give as an Heir to the Empire movie but I still wanted things like Thrawn mentioned. They needed to work around the EU, not omitt it.
What I am suggesting since they are going the route is that they keep the old EU alive stil under a new baner. Let's continue that world where Chewbacca is dead going and at the same time give us that JJ/Star Wars.
The Silver
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In the EU(lol) some people would use bullet based weapons called slugthrowers as anti-jedi weapons because they were much harder to defend against being so small and fast.
tiggerkiddo
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After what they did to Jacen, my interest in the EU kinda died. I hope this is good though, Thrawn will be tough to top.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I would imagine this is going to end up being like Marvel's Ultimate comics line or DC after Crisis on Infinite Earths in that they're going to bring back a lot of the characters and concepts from the EU that people liked but streamline them so that it's not all so fucked up.
Until it gets fucked up again
Doctoglethorpe
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Uh, the core fanbase is the EU fanbase. Hence I didn't say the mainstream fanbase, aka the people who don't even know about the EU so of course they won't care if it gets erased and they wont even benefit from it either because they wont experience any of the new EU replacing it. You could of made a movie that is a word for word adaption of the Thrawn trilogy and it would be all the same to them.
You only need to trim the post-rotj EU if you want movies to take place at the same time. They could of put them literally infinitely long after the movie, not just 40 years. They could of gone 1000 years out and not have to change a single molecule of the EU to have a completely clean slate to work on. But no, god forbid they do something new. They wanted to retread ground they were beat to the punch to, and the only way to do that is to burn the history books and rewrite them.
SargerusBR
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Fear not. He lives...
They can always make up an excuse that that's not the Outrider, only a YT-2400 light freighter.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Now that the old EU is non canon they should just use this as an excuse to go all out and write the craziest story they possibly can to end it.
They had to get approval from Lucas to kill any of the Star Wars characters and he was pretty reluctant to kill Chewie IIRC.
Now since that isn't an obstacle anymore they should do some crazy ass story where a new villain comes in and starts murdering star wars characters left and right and everyone in the galaxy has to band together to stop him.
I'm talking cutting off Luke Skywalkers head, vaporizing Han Solo, etc. Who wouldn't want to read this?
They had to get approval from Lucas to kill any of the Star Wars characters and he was pretty reluctant to kill Chewie IIRC.
Now since that isn't an obstacle anymore they should do some crazy ass story where a new villain comes in and starts murdering star wars characters left and right and everyone in the galaxy has to band together to stop him.
I'm talking cutting off Luke Skywalkers head, vaporizing Han Solo, etc. Who wouldn't want to read this?
Naw man, if I recall correctly one of the ILM guys referred to it as "The Outrider" specifically.
Mortimer Brewster
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JJ Abrams is not doing anything daring or crazy. Hiring him ensured that the movies will be generic and mediocre with maximum pandering to the masses. And it will be embarrassing and sad seeing him build these movies around 60 something Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher with all their mileage and 74 year old Harrison Ford who will be in full "i don't give a shit, just send me my paycheque" mode.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I don't mean the JJ Abrahams movies. I mean this part:
- Entire old SWEU [both pre and post EP 1-6] will get name "Legacy", new content will continue to come out
If the old EU is still getting published but it effectively doesn't "matter" anymore, then why not go nuts?
Mortimer Brewster
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That I agree with you on. But I also fear the old EU will be entirely ignored as Disney will only contract out books that tie into JJ's incoming disaster.
I like how you're implying that's somehow worse than what Prequel-Lucas gave us...
Femmeworth
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EU 2: Extend Harder
Don't think so. Jen Heddle from Lucasfilm said there are no plans for new stories in the Legends line.
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