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Steel Battallion Heavy Armour - "1/10" "It does not work" "Should not have shipped"
- Thread starter Jackpot
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Oh wow, the first words of that video are brutal...
Shame.
EDIT: I just dinged to member status! yeah.
Why? Child of Eden works great with Kinect.
Neuromancer
Member
Criminal Upper
Banned
Has there been a single Kinect game, outside of the Dance Centrals, that's playable?
legendnthamaking
Banned
Capcom is probably praying October 2nd gets here soon as fast.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
This is why we can't have nice things. Finally get a Steel Batallion sequel and it's a unplayable piece of shit Kinect game.
That's not true. The developer is to blame for. Kinect can compare a posture to a stencil pretty well (see the Dance Central games), but you can't expect it to recognize player input in either a timely or a precise manner. It's a design flaw to rely on that.
If it's laggy and not precise it's not playable.
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
But Killzone 2 was that, and it was playable!
Good question.
Also, isnt Dance Central something that work like Just Dance, i mean "If it works ok but if it dont nobody is paying attention anyway..."
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Makes me wonder why Giant Bomb was raving about this game early on. If the problems are this fundamental, I have a hard time understanding how they had a good time with it.
Kinect is an intersting idea, it works well with very few games, but really shines in Xbox navigation. I use the voice commands when listening to iheartradio, or watching MLB.tv. When using your Xbox for a task that doesn't involve a controller in your hands, it works out well. But for gaming, it probably won't get good until next generation. This generation depends on perfect lighting, Kinect placement and perfect play area.
Kinect is an intersting idea, it works well with very few games, but really shines in Xbox navigation. I use the voice commands when listening to iheartradio, or watching MLB.tv. When using your Xbox for a task that doesn't involve a controller in your hands, it works out well. But for gaming, it probably won't get good until next generation. This generation depends on perfect lighting, Kinect placement and perfect play area.
BruiserBear
Banned
It's funny thinking back on people who were celebrating the announcement of this game for Kinect. Heralding it as the beginning for "hardcore" Kinect games.
I remember thinking "really?".
I remember thinking "really?".
it had potential from previews and a lot of goofy ideas. too bad the execution was so flawed.
No, it actually is pretty precise, from my experience. But it doesn't have to interpret movement, it compares a still shot with a stencil.
RedNumberFive
Banned
A couple of points...
Kinect Sports soccer justifies the existence of the Kinect.
You are indeed "doing it wrong" if you're using Kinect to play Child of Eden. Playing in eye-melting 3D on the PS3 is the "true" experience.
It's a bummer about Steel Batallion. I was really looking forward to that game.
Kinect Sports soccer justifies the existence of the Kinect.
You are indeed "doing it wrong" if you're using Kinect to play Child of Eden. Playing in eye-melting 3D on the PS3 is the "true" experience.
It's a bummer about Steel Batallion. I was really looking forward to that game.
Bought a Kinect a month ago and the following week there was a Kinect XBLA sale. Bought the zoom so it would work in my small apartment and started playing. Everything I played worked great.
Tried Steel Battalian and it just didn't work. Felt so incredibly frustrating, especially since the game is augmented with the use of a controller. Every review that I didn't agree with saying "kinect doesn't work" basically applies to this game.
Tried Steel Battalian and it just didn't work. Felt so incredibly frustrating, especially since the game is augmented with the use of a controller. Every review that I didn't agree with saying "kinect doesn't work" basically applies to this game.
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
This was a fine review, you see how he wants to like the game and knows it has potential, but is fucking impossible becuase of kinect.
Antoher game that could be micghty fine, but kinect fucks it up, just like Disneyland Kinect Adventures. And its a pity becuase I would love going through (and playing the rides right) Disneyland using a controller or even a wiimote that woyld have worked much better even with wiis motion controls.
Kinects is just shit for the majority of games that are not simple enough.
Alx
Member
I prefer volley-ball, but yeah it's great to be able to play a soccer/football game with your... feet.
(can't wait to be back at home and watch the giant bomb QL)
It's been said before, but it's a common misconception that kinect requires good lighting. If it's not for face identification/tracking, the best lighting for kinect is no lighting at all. All additional lights will do is increase the chances of saturating the scene with infrareds.
I haven't been following this game at all, but I assume previews were conducted in controlled environments (e.g. PAX, as mentioned by Ben Kuchera).
dancrane212
Member
Glad I didn't pick this up yesterday when I was in town, hopefully Crimson Dragon doesn't suffer the same fate.
Harlock
Member
lol what shit mission was that... how can From Software fail so hard on a mech game?
I can deal with the controls (it looks like the demo) but that mission is a joke and he said that it is the same in most of the game.
It will only get better if you force a controller of some sorts. I've been saying this since Kinect was unveiled but you cannot do the types of games gamers like to play with no input at all. It just doesn't work, the games are too complex.
But that's not the problem with this game in particular. It's bad because the implementation is broken for some reason, and it doesn't work like it should. If it did work the way it is supposed to, it would be a pretty damn neat mech simulation game.
RobotRocker
Member
The demo was actually playable, fun and worked well with Kinect so I'm wondering what the fuck went on here to end in such unmittigated disaster.
Though considering this is Capcom, this could be one of their regularly scheduled Capcpom Fuckups and someone did something dumb like somehow put an older version on the gold master. Really, how did such a good demo lead to a trainwreck of a game.
Though considering this is Capcom, this could be one of their regularly scheduled Capcpom Fuckups and someone did something dumb like somehow put an older version on the gold master. Really, how did such a good demo lead to a trainwreck of a game.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Really? Because the Giant Bomb Quick Look made it look pretty damn bad regardless of controls.
Brad even says at one point something along the lines of 'this is a terrible game no matter what the controls'.
The guy in the video did not look like he had fun with the demo at all, nor did it look like it worked well, nor was it playable. Maybe you have a better set up than most people.
That's his opinion on the type of game it is. He also mentioned that he does not like games which are too punishing, and that the fact that there is so much trial and error required to get through a mission turns him off. He later clarifies that there is a segment of gamers who would probably enjoy it. It's a mech simulation, not an action game or a normal shooter.
BruiserBear
Banned
Steel Battalion includes controller inputs as well. It's a hybrid game with the Kinect.
The real problem with trying to play a game this way is that any movement by the player on the couch can be interpreted as an "input". It's ridiculous, and it just shows the limitations the Kinect has.
IMO the Kinect ONLY succeeds when it's being asked to track the simplest of things. Punching minigames, kicking mini games, etc. Any time you try and go beyond that, things go horribly wrong. I think it's a very limited piece of tech that will never truly amount to anything worthwhile. I seriously regret buying it.
Fox Mulder
Member
Maybe they can patch some of the gestures to the mostly unused controller. Sucks that the game is shit, but I figured kinect would be awful for this. Going from an awesome giant mech controller to this, sad.
But that says to me that they just couldn't figure out how to get it to work and had to give up. No one seems to know how to get games to work on this thing. It should be illegal to ship something that just doesn't work at all.
So what you are saying is that only PC gaming is "playable"?
Not that I'm defending this game. Until I read the Verge review I thought this game would be fun if the Kinect controls worked or you didn't have to use them. After reading the review it seems the game is badly designed on top of bad controls (short missions, unforgiving in spots, bad checkpointing, etc).
CrankyKong
Member
How is that any different from developers and publishers who ship out products with poor framerates, or terrible online netcode, or frequent crashing/freezing? Shoddy programming and poor QC isn't limited to the Kinect.
This is not only shoody programming and poor QC. This is about not designing with the hardware limitations in mind.
I doubt this is a hardware limitation problem. People who complain about the problems in the game have repeatedly said (and showed) that the Kinect is actually detecting the motions correctly, and the calibration is working. The problem is how the game translates motions into game input. That is where the game seems to be completely screwed up.
Alx
Member
I don't know all the gestures implemented in Steel Battalion, but for those I know (reaching for a lever, leaning, make goggle gestures,...) the hardware is more than adequate. It's all a matter of gesture recognition and sensibility, which is all software.
It's like blaming a bad voice recognition on the microphone... most of the time the sound quality is fine.
I'm not at all surprised.
Kinect, as it exists today, is a mess. Even when it works just as intended the results are generally less than exciting in that you have no feedback from the game. Only games which do not require any actual interaction with the game seem to work (ie - Dance Central or Fitness games). The second a game asks you to reach into the world everything falls apart.
What can be done with a current generation Kinect game is incredibly limited.
Kinect, as it exists today, is a mess. Even when it works just as intended the results are generally less than exciting in that you have no feedback from the game. Only games which do not require any actual interaction with the game seem to work (ie - Dance Central or Fitness games). The second a game asks you to reach into the world everything falls apart.
I think the problem stems from both ends. The Kinect is EXTREMELY limited in what it can do reliably at this point and the developers of this game simply asked too much of the hardware.
What can be done with a current generation Kinect game is incredibly limited.
DangerousDave
Member
It's more a design issue. All kinect games offer a very limited range of actions to prevent things to be misunderstood.
For what it seems on the demo videos, there are a lot of different stuff that you can trigger with your hands, and some of them is very similar. Like "lean your arm 10 degrees to the left triggers something different then leaning your arm 20 degrees to the left", similar. Without any kind of hint on the screen.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Wow, really surprising after this glowing preview:
http://www.metro.co.uk/tech/games/9...heavy-armor-preview-and-interview-core-kinect
Guess GC won't be getting their "good giant robot game" anytime soon.
http://www.metro.co.uk/tech/games/9...heavy-armor-preview-and-interview-core-kinect
Guess GC won't be getting their "good giant robot game" anytime soon.