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Steel Battallion Heavy Armour - "1/10" "It does not work" "Should not have shipped"
- Thread starter Jackpot
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Those EDGE guys must've had some of those funky-ass Kinect 3.0 models to get the game to work.
MarshMellow96
Member
You've not been around the EDGE offices? Strobe lighting and white paint. EVERYWHERE.
With a few fluorescent pink and green highlights, of course.
Great post thanks for the info!
futnownarcade
Member
I got the game and was able to play as well as I'd expect any Kinect game to work. You do big gestures with your arms to go into smaller menus, and then those menus are pretty much the same as the 360 dashboard where you have a cursor for your hand and as you go over buttons/switches they highlight to show what you are going to select.
One of my crew died on a mission, does anyone know if you can re-play the mission in single mission mode to save them or are they permadead on this save?
One of my crew died on a mission, does anyone know if you can re-play the mission in single mission mode to save them or are they permadead on this save?
BolognaSoup
Member
Watching the Giant Bomb quicklook, the dialogue is more offensively bad than anything else. "brah," "awright," misuse of "your" and "you're."
"You awright man?"
"Take that fat ass out!"
"Yeah, that's actually working brah!"
"All right, just chill the fuck out! God!"
"Keep going podna!"
"That's one hell of a target! Let's bust the shit outta it!"
"No ting mon. Just gotta do it."
"No I'm thinking of shutting shit up too. Like your fucking mouth."
Embarrassing.
"You awright man?"
"Take that fat ass out!"
"Yeah, that's actually working brah!"
"All right, just chill the fuck out! God!"
"Keep going podna!"
"That's one hell of a target! Let's bust the shit outta it!"
"No ting mon. Just gotta do it."
"No I'm thinking of shutting shit up too. Like your fucking mouth."
Embarrassing.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Does this game take place in modern times, an alternate WWII or supposedly our WWII? Because, nobody said 'brah' back then....
Fox Mulder
Member
maybe it will be the feature that differentiates two models like the HDD does now, but it won't be standard. That will just add to the upfront sticker price.
the current kinect has sold millions at $150 with shit software, so why stop selling it as a peripheral? If the next dashboard interface is even more kinect fucked, then tons of people will get it like a 2nd controller.
Joe Molotov
Member
Hawaiians have been saying brah for a long time.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
In the same context it's used in the game? Also, game does not take place in Hawaii or have identifiable Hawaiians.
It takes place decades in the future, but something has destroyed all computer systems in the entire world.
Infinite Justice
Member
It should be somewhere in the future but then Datacide happened (some event that kills every single computer in the world and took the info with it)
It said 2085 at some point in the quicklook. The designs are very WW2ish though. I have to wonder why they went for mechs at all when they're basically simulating tanks (but I guess then they'd have to stick an MG on the commander's hatch).
I'm sad that the game fails, all I can hope for is that someone else tries the concept with a better control method (e.g. mouse clicks, touchscreens or Wii pointers). I hope Sandlot makes another Chou Soujuu Mecha MG (and Nintendo actually localizes it). That was pretty much the closest thing to this whole concept except it went in some wacky directions (e.g. mechs that required you to shovel coal into their furnace to produce steam, lengthy activation systems or code inputs for superweapons, ...).
I'm sad that the game fails, all I can hope for is that someone else tries the concept with a better control method (e.g. mouse clicks, touchscreens or Wii pointers). I hope Sandlot makes another Chou Soujuu Mecha MG (and Nintendo actually localizes it). That was pretty much the closest thing to this whole concept except it went in some wacky directions (e.g. mechs that required you to shovel coal into their furnace to produce steam, lengthy activation systems or code inputs for superweapons, ...).
Retro-futurism aside, the franchise was always about creating a simulated walking tank. Except instead of using Kinect, they built an actual piece of hardware to replicate the controls inside a mech.
It was always super niche, but it seems like the game had its adherents.
Alright, so I put a few hours into this yesterday (got to the 3rd set of missions I think). I come into this having owned the original SB (and LOC), but not having played them in forever since I sold them to buy a DS back in 2004.
I don't think it's as bad as most reviews are making it out to be, and certainly not a 1.
I'm having just as many issues with the Kinect as I did playing Rise of Nightmares, which is to say sometimes shit just doesn't work. The biggest problems I've had are switching ammo types, and venting the smoke. The problem is that these are things that (mostly) work when you are doing it calmly, but in the heat of battle you are trying to rush, and Kinect is like NOPE.
I'd say the worst offender is the scripted outside the VT stuff, because it's not always clear what motion you should be doing, and so I'm just flailing wildly hoping it picks something up.
As far as the missions and game itself outside of the Kinect, it's mediocre-to-alright. But I can see how reviewers who are used to corridor shooters and having radar on at all times would hate it. It doesn't tell you a whole lot, and you'll end up replaying missions once you figure out where you should be or what you should do. That really comes down to a matter of how much tolerance you have for that kind of game design.
I think it does do an excellent job of making you feel helpless inside this giant metal box, something I thought the original game did as well.
I don't think it's as bad as most reviews are making it out to be, and certainly not a 1.
I'm having just as many issues with the Kinect as I did playing Rise of Nightmares, which is to say sometimes shit just doesn't work. The biggest problems I've had are switching ammo types, and venting the smoke. The problem is that these are things that (mostly) work when you are doing it calmly, but in the heat of battle you are trying to rush, and Kinect is like NOPE.
I'd say the worst offender is the scripted outside the VT stuff, because it's not always clear what motion you should be doing, and so I'm just flailing wildly hoping it picks something up.
As far as the missions and game itself outside of the Kinect, it's mediocre-to-alright. But I can see how reviewers who are used to corridor shooters and having radar on at all times would hate it. It doesn't tell you a whole lot, and you'll end up replaying missions once you figure out where you should be or what you should do. That really comes down to a matter of how much tolerance you have for that kind of game design.
I think it does do an excellent job of making you feel helpless inside this giant metal box, something I thought the original game did as well.
Yeah but the way their mech acts it seems like they could have made a tank driving game with almost no gameplay changes.
Templar Wizard
Member
anyone get past the crawling in mission 2?
I cannot do it.
I cannot do it.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
The problem with Kinect is that its always been pitched as a quasi-"mind reading" device, which it cannot ever be.
There are basic, unsurmountable, limitations to what is possible with optical recognition due to the camera's vision offering only a single view perspective and therefore liability to issues of occlusion and lighting conditions. You can use predictive modelling to work around the most egregious cases, but its still a simulation - and that's simply not desirable in a user interface!
The more data-points sampled the worse it gets, particularly in relation to anticipating and validating user behaviour. The issue is always that you're not dealing with absolute states (i.e. button-up, button-down) you're dealing with fuzzy behaviour due to user error and imperfections of form in performance.
Again, this is a critical flaw in an interface, because that "fuzziness" can be extremely undesirable based on circumstance. You can afford to be sloppy in a performance/play scenario like dance or certain sports, but in a fictitious "pressure" situation like operating a mech under fire... its never, ever, going to be optimal.
The sad part this stuff was OBVIOUS from the outset to anyone with any insight and experience of designing user interfaces for games. Similarly we all also knew that it was MS marketing effort driving the train and thus they were summarily going to dismiss such complaints when opposed by a saleable, populist, "vision" to drive.
I'm not saying Kinect is useless, I'm just saying that it has fundamental limitations in terms of practical usage, regardless of all the smoke MS marketing has been blowing for the last 3 years.
There are basic, unsurmountable, limitations to what is possible with optical recognition due to the camera's vision offering only a single view perspective and therefore liability to issues of occlusion and lighting conditions. You can use predictive modelling to work around the most egregious cases, but its still a simulation - and that's simply not desirable in a user interface!
The more data-points sampled the worse it gets, particularly in relation to anticipating and validating user behaviour. The issue is always that you're not dealing with absolute states (i.e. button-up, button-down) you're dealing with fuzzy behaviour due to user error and imperfections of form in performance.
Again, this is a critical flaw in an interface, because that "fuzziness" can be extremely undesirable based on circumstance. You can afford to be sloppy in a performance/play scenario like dance or certain sports, but in a fictitious "pressure" situation like operating a mech under fire... its never, ever, going to be optimal.
The sad part this stuff was OBVIOUS from the outset to anyone with any insight and experience of designing user interfaces for games. Similarly we all also knew that it was MS marketing effort driving the train and thus they were summarily going to dismiss such complaints when opposed by a saleable, populist, "vision" to drive.
I'm not saying Kinect is useless, I'm just saying that it has fundamental limitations in terms of practical usage, regardless of all the smoke MS marketing has been blowing for the last 3 years.
Ah, Kinect. It would be so sad, were it not so hilarious.
LOL HOLY CRAP
Alx
Member
The whole idea of emulating physical mech controls with a non-physical gesture interface was strange (to say the least) from the beginning. And the parts where you have to push virtual buttons to change ammo when you already have buttons on your pad are borderline absurd.
I don't think the fact that the user may mess up his gestures in the middle of tense action is a problem in itself though (it's part of the skill required when playing the game, just like mashing buttons will get you killed in most games).
So Steel Battalion was flawed from the beginning indeed. There are a few good ideas though (judging from the demo), but most of them are based on being more intuitive, rather than having complex actions : holding your hand like a visor to activate the binoculars, grabbing and punching your fleeing partners... the periscope is ok, but most other commands aren't really adapted to motion controls. I think they really should have kept the motioin commands for minor tasks and QTEs.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
Ah, Kinect. It would be so sad, were it not so hilarious.
I always think this is like Back to the Future and the guy in the back with the red shirt is the future version of the kid in red.
mercenar1e
Member
better with kinect
Ah, Kinect. It would be so sad, were it not so hilarious.
Why is this the first time I've seen this? anyone have a link to the vid? edit- well that was easy to find... "Kinect cat kick"..lol.
I feel bad for that little girl in the other gif.
you could see her little feet come up after she hits the floor.Does the 360 have any funny warning pics like, Sony has with their PS Move titles when you boot up a game?
I'd love to see a flying cat photo shop of one.
Price Drop
Member
You just crawl a few times and wait at the body for a signal (upper left screen) to proceed. When it says proceed crawl and few more times and press the detonator down.
Just got to playing this and it's certainly not broken. It can be sensitive when you are scrambling to press something, but the combat doesn't require a lot of interior action, except for the occasional ventilation or periscope.
You need a large space - stay about six feet from the TV. The space requirement is my best bet as to why it would completely not function.
good luck getting past the halfway point in the game.
I finished Hulk Hogan's Main Event, and I couldn't finish this