And I'd rather have Akuma over Ken so I guess it's a case of each to his own.
I understand what you mean in terms of how they play but I find Akuma much more interesting as a character.
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Street Fighter V Systems Trailer and hands-on impressions
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And I'd rather have Akuma over Ken so I guess it's a case of each to his own.
I understand what you mean in terms of how they play but I find Akuma much more interesting as a character.
abstract alien
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That walk is amazing. Like he knows he walks slow and it doesn't matter.
I like what they're doing with Bison this time around.
hitsugi
Member
That kick was banished to SFxT.. never to be seen again.
Just_myles
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abstract alien said:
I think if that's the case you should be rewarded for doing it. Seems so risky and I think giving v meter(?) for it isn't enough to mitigate the risk. Perhaps making it a simple direction would be best. Perhaps give it a meter as to not be too op. I'm sure capcom has already gone through this.
Master Thespian
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Smash Ryu is all about da donkey.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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I need all original cast from SF II. The rest is rest
You got that in SF4, though.
Infernostew
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Robot Pants
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Cast of SF2 are the most boring.
Please as little of them as possible
Please as little of them as possible
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Can't get enough
Yeah you say that as it wasn't the most important game of the series
Really hope they don't play it safe with the world warriors. This game needs more new faces or at least lesser used characters from the series.
The reason it was so great is because they tried new things out. It's like dealing with people in real life who do nothing except talk about their past accomplishment and they haven't done shit recently. Irritates the hell out of me.
Can't get enough
Yeah you say that as it wasn't the most important game of the series
The reason it was so great is because they tried new things out. It's like dealing with people in real life who do nothing except talk about their past accomplishment and they haven't done shit recently. Irritates the hell out of me.
Then play Street Fighter 4. It's $25 for USF4, your wishes come true. You can enjoy playing as the same characters over and over, and people who would like new/different characters can enjoy V.
Bison's teleporting dash and OTG headstomps remind me somewhat of Darkstalkers' Demitri. Actually, V-Trigger reminds me of Vampire Saviour's Dark Force feature in general.
It's a little weird that three of the four shown characters have a parry/absorb/counter of some sort as their MP+MK move and the fourth has an anti-fireball low jump. I hope that MP+MK doesn't wind up being the go-to anti-fireball solution for everyone.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Read what I wrote. I said all I need is SF 2 cast. I did not say anything about not including other fighters
The idea is that your wants fill up spaces that could be taken up by newer characters, or lesser used ones.
The Lone Dragon
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It's not important NOW.
In 2015.
When people are already complaining about how SF5 looks like SF4.
Asking for SF2 characters is something a stuffy, old suit in the corner office at Capcom would ask for...someone who isn't paying attention to the current pulse of the fanbase and is simply living in the past.
"SF2 did well A QUARTER OF A CENTURY AGO. Let's do that again. For the 8th time. I don't want to take any risks. Make sure G. Honda and Blanko are in it. I'm off to play golf, now." - Out of touch exec
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Now I am living in the past because I enjoy SF 2 rooster. Also you are implying I don't want changes or other players which I never said. All I said is I care mostly about those fighters. Jez
teh_J0kerer
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I'm cautiously optimistic about this game.
Overall the look is a bit too similar to 4 imo, but it still looks easily good enough that the only thing that will really matter to me at this point is the gameplay.
As for what I've heard about the gameplay, here are some thoughts:
like:
- Invincible backdashes are out.
- FADC uppercuts are out.
- Some kind of input buffer is in to remove genuine 1F links.
Above 3 things alone will already make the game a lot less annoying to play than 4 imo.
- I really like the fact that the new gameplay systems are very character dependent. Sounds great for variety.
dislike:
- Starting to get the impression that fireballs are going to be crap in this game again, with all the systems already mentioned to get around them. Ryu can parry them, Charlie can just absorb them or teleport around them, Bison can reflect them or dash through them with V-mode? I hope I'm wrong about this, but though I understand a lot of people might not like sf2 level fireballs, I wish we could get fireballs with say alpha2 level power again at least. Kind if silly that several of the characters have their V-Skills explicitly related to countering fireballs, so that they won't do anything in a large number of matchups.
- Slow walk speeds again? Hopefully this won't be the case for the rest of the cast, but it's not looking good.
Overall the look is a bit too similar to 4 imo, but it still looks easily good enough that the only thing that will really matter to me at this point is the gameplay.
As for what I've heard about the gameplay, here are some thoughts:
like:
- Invincible backdashes are out.
- FADC uppercuts are out.
- Some kind of input buffer is in to remove genuine 1F links.
Above 3 things alone will already make the game a lot less annoying to play than 4 imo.
- I really like the fact that the new gameplay systems are very character dependent. Sounds great for variety.
dislike:
- Starting to get the impression that fireballs are going to be crap in this game again, with all the systems already mentioned to get around them. Ryu can parry them, Charlie can just absorb them or teleport around them, Bison can reflect them or dash through them with V-mode? I hope I'm wrong about this, but though I understand a lot of people might not like sf2 level fireballs, I wish we could get fireballs with say alpha2 level power again at least. Kind if silly that several of the characters have their V-Skills explicitly related to countering fireballs, so that they won't do anything in a large number of matchups.
- Slow walk speeds again? Hopefully this won't be the case for the rest of the cast, but it's not looking good.
There is 0 to Akuma as a character lol.
Omnistalgic
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Give ken a break but put Poison in when all of her inputs are based off shotos style? The hate is real -_-I would love if Ken took a break.
I just want them to take another crack at Poison. Why did they give her 6-pack/washboard abs in SFIV? Ugh... she's not Miss Universe. Also, she doesn't have any bangs coming from under her hat.... Don't judge me.
She should look graceful and lady shaped, like this.
Did all the ken haters actually have trouble with the flowcharts online in Sf4? I mean, it's free points!
It is, at least in this build. He can parry all 3 hits of an EX fireball.
I think he can parry most anything if timed right.
Omnistalgic
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seriously, he's even more one dimensional than Ryu.
Akuma "I will get ALL the power"
Akuma" "I have all the power, now I need a worthy opponent"
That's it...
at least Ryu has the stereotypical shonen internal struggle and has friends etc...
Omnistalgic
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just can't do it in the air. It seems like he has the best special move, but I think it'll be balanced out. Might be like Akira in VF, clearly the best strongest character, but takes a lot of skill to be very good with, and is never leaps and bounds above the cast.
Yeah, I was a little sad to see that go considering it seems SFV really wants to make characters feel different. Ken and Akuma will make it inevitably so they should keep giving them moves that are completely unique to that character.
ArchedThunder
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I would love if Ken took a break.
I just want them to take another crack at Poison. Why did they give her 6-pack/washboard abs in SFIV? Ugh... she's not Miss Universe. Also, she doesn't have any bangs coming from under her hat.... Don't judge me.
She should look graceful and lady shaped, like this.
Poison's abs are great though...
Omnistalgic
Member
Agreed... Ken should be based on crazy kicks and mix-up and his special move be a roll. I can see the flames now...
Glorious
Stone Ocean
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Ken shares 90% of his moveset with Ryu and only plays differently mostly because of frame data differences.
Poison has unique fireballs and a dragon punch. Similarities end there.
It looked different from 4 a couple months ago, but now it looks nothing like SF4 to me. It looks far closer to 3rd strike aesthetically than SF4. And this is coming from someone who hates SF4 for its gameplay and its visuals.
As for fireballs and walk speeds, that's exactly the kind of stuff that will get tinkered with over and over again during the beta test. If anything, the presence of anti-projectile techniques for several characters is indicative that projectiles might be something you really don't want to get hit by in SFV.
The biggest reason I get a little irritated when people ask for the full SF2 cast is that those assets aren't free, it costs money and time to create those characters in a new game, and those resources could be used towards making new characters that people might actually enjoy using (apologies to the small number of people who actually use Blanka, Honda, Sim, etc regularly).
Omnistalgic
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Frame data differences can be the difference between a character being top tier and low tier. And, with Ken's focus on Kicks, it's quite easy to make him play very differently from Ryu.
CountAntonius
Member
The only character i need to be happy is Alex.
The KI Model is great for Fighting Games imo, because they can just do different DLC themes like the Final Fight Pack, Alpha Pack
and so on.
Looking forward to the next Trailer. I have no idea what Cammys V-Skill could be.
The KI Model is great for Fighting Games imo, because they can just do different DLC themes like the Final Fight Pack, Alpha Pack
EX Pack
Looking forward to the next Trailer. I have no idea what Cammys V-Skill could be.
Stone Ocean
Member
We're not talking balance, we're talking playstyle. I know they could make Ken unique if they wanted to, I'm just saying Poison has nothing to do with either of them.
Omnistalgic
Member
Stone Ocean
Member
We're talking about roster wishlists, everyone is biased lol
If you want SF2 characters, there are a couple of games you could play:
Street Fighter II
Street Fighter II: Champion Edition
Street Fighter II Turbo: Hyper Fighting
Super Street Fighter II
Super Street Fighter II Turbo
Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix
Street Fighter Alpha 2
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Street Fighter IV
Super Street Fighter IV
Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition
Ultra Street Fighter IV
Street Fighter X Tekken
X-Men vs. Street Fighter
Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter
Marvel vs. Capcom
Marvel vs. Capcom 2
Capcom vs. SNK
Capcom vs. SNK 2
SNK vs. Capcom: SVC Chaos
Street Fighter EX
Street Fighter EX 2
Street Fighter EX 3
Street Fighter: The Movie
Street Fighter II
Street Fighter II: Champion Edition
Street Fighter II Turbo: Hyper Fighting
Super Street Fighter II
Super Street Fighter II Turbo
Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix
Street Fighter Alpha 2
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Street Fighter IV
Super Street Fighter IV
Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition
Ultra Street Fighter IV
Street Fighter X Tekken
X-Men vs. Street Fighter
Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter
Marvel vs. Capcom
Marvel vs. Capcom 2
Capcom vs. SNK
Capcom vs. SNK 2
SNK vs. Capcom: SVC Chaos
Street Fighter EX
Street Fighter EX 2
Street Fighter EX 3
Street Fighter: The Movie
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Exclatly. From Chun Li's stage
Stone Ocean
Member
I believe this is the best we've seen so far
People are being silly. You can flip that argument: if you don't want a cast of iconic SF characters - you can play a different FG series.
It almost sounds like people are thinking this is going to be another 3rd Strike or something. I'd rather they play it safe and the gameplay be dope as fuck, than have a cast of weirdos that sheds doubt on whether or not we'll see another SF game again.
I'm not saying I want the SF2 cast back or don't want a unique cast, but you have to be realistic. The game has to sell.
Which is more important to you? The longevity of the series' solid brand of gameplay or your Marvel-style dream cast?
Maybe I'm just unique in not really caring about the characters in a FG as long as the foundational gameplay is good.
It almost sounds like people are thinking this is going to be another 3rd Strike or something. I'd rather they play it safe and the gameplay be dope as fuck, than have a cast of weirdos that sheds doubt on whether or not we'll see another SF game again.
I'm not saying I want the SF2 cast back or don't want a unique cast, but you have to be realistic. The game has to sell.
Which is more important to you? The longevity of the series' solid brand of gameplay or your Marvel-style dream cast?
Maybe I'm just unique in not really caring about the characters in a FG as long as the foundational gameplay is good.
Unless it's Blazblue
Like I said, each to their own. I find the whole dark hado thing more interesting than some other plot lines, and the fact that he killed his teacher through dedication to the art is another reason.
I know most people think he's one dimensional but there are elements to his character that go unnoticed. Sure, it's not going to win any prizes for story writing but personally I like the character. Apparently I'm alone in that haha.
Stone Ocean
Member
It's not about not having iconic SF characters, but if we have a limited roster we don't need every single face from Super Turbo to show up before DLC
I get people wanting stuff like Ken, Akuma or Sagat but I'm sure we can live without Blanka, Gief or Dhalsim for once.