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[shintoki]

I just paid $35 for poor people edition Redline. I can't believe some of you are paying $40 for entire LE boxsets.

Well, I picked up Student Console Arc for Utena for 27$ too. I decided to make one of my first purchases in a while.

 

[Articalys]

That must feel so awkward.

For the VAs, or for me taking the picture?

Here's what they looked like on stage, if you'll excuse my horrible photography skills:

 

[PdotMichael]

For the VAs, or for me taking the picture?

Here's what they looked like on stage, if you'll excuse my horrible photography skills:

I heard, crossdressing is big in japan

 

[darkside31337]

Never seen anyone suggest Skip Beat around here. <3 Skip Beat.

Glad I'm not the only Skip Beat fan around these parts. Absolute travesty there was never a second season, I'm guessing it didn't sell too well (no idea if that is true) .

Also Idolmaster is evidently the new K-On. Can't believe people are getting so worked up over basically a generic fanservice anime.

 

[Jex]

Well Rebuild is certainly better than anything Lucas has done in the last decade.

By proxy he's helped create the RLM reviews though!

 

[scy]

Glad I'm not the only Skip Beat fan around these parts. Absolute travesty there was never a second season, I'm guessing it didn't sell too well (no idea if that is true) .

So much stuff from the manga I want to see animated but never will because there is no just and loving god.

Also Idolmaster is evidently the new K-On. Can't believe people are getting so worked up over basically a generic fanservice anime.

Waifus: Serious Business.

 

[Dresden]

For the VAs, or for me taking the picture?

For the VAs.

Twintails almost never look good on an actual human being.

 

[shintoki]

Odd question... Did the Ouran High School Host BluRay get discontinued? I'm looking at the prices on Amazon and wondering what the fuck happened?

 

[Femmeworth]

Was anybody even claiming that the waifus of persona were any better? The debate over the two of them wouldn't be about the depth of the individual waifus, but of depth and intent of the show themselves.

I am! >:| Wait, what I am saying. Goddamnit.

 

[Jex]

Yup Madoka is good stuff, definitely worth watching.

It's interesting to note that Madoka episodes 1-3 were shown at Otakon and it managed to fill it out a hall of 2000. Apparently half the audience hadn't seen it - so it still has more anime fans to infect.

 

[7Th]

Was anybody even claiming that the waifus of persona were any better? The debate over the two of them wouldn't be about the depth of the individual waifus, but of depth and intent of the show themselves.

Aren't we debating the characters right now? All I said was that you can't just say "this character was created with a clear intention, any attempts to justify said intention are just fluff and should be ignored accordingly"; that's just unjustifiable.

thats not what he said at all

Yes he did. Did you even read his post?

 

[zeroshiki]

How does that make the characters specifically written to appeal to otaku tastes so that they take them as their waifus any better?



That's reductionism; you're essentially saying that everything about the character other than the basic sterotype should be ignored just to prove a point.

No I didn't. I'm saying they're shallow characters. Are they or are they not? I say, yes. The mental gymnastics you're doing to defend your favorite show is ridiculous especially when its not even necessary since no one in their right mind would defend characterization as a positive for Idolmaster.

 

[Jex]

Also Idolmaster is evidently the new K-On. Can't believe people are getting so worked up over basically a generic fanservice anime.

This is inaccurate though. At least it has far better production values and direction! Sometimes you have to look past a premise.

 

[Uchip]

Yes he did. Did you even read his post?

yes
it was stated that beyond the initial stereotype they had tacked on backstories

 

[Jex]

Sit back, make nothing, and collect money from Eva merchandising and licensing? :>

Hasn't that already been going on forever?

 

[Lafiel]

yes
it was stated that beyond the initial stereotype they had tacked on backstories

Not really tacked-on, considering I'm pretty sure their back-stories come from the games.

No I didn't. I'm saying they're shallow characters. Are they or are they not? I say, yes. The mental gymnastics you're doing to defend your favorite show is ridiculous especially when its not even necessary since no one in their right mind would defend characterization as a positive for Idolmaster.

Have you even seen past episode 3 of idolm@ster anyway?

 

[Risette]

Odd question... Did the Ouran High School Host BluRay get discontinued? I'm looking at the prices on Amazon and wondering what the fuck happened?

Yes.

 

[zeroshiki]

Hasn't that already been going on forever?

For Gainax! Now Khara gets a piece of the action too.

Not really tacked-on, considering I'm pretty sure their back-stories come from the games.

And they were tacked on then. I can assure you the character design process started with the stereotype before the backstory. That's what's being argued.

 

[shintoki]

Yes.

Why? Is all anime getting pulled or something?

 

[zeroshiki]

Why? Is all anime getting pulled or something?

They want to make you watch the live action.

Not really tacked-on, considering I'm pretty sure their back-stories come from the games.


Have you even seen past episode 3 of idolm@ster anyway?

Yeah I saw Episode 4 the other day. Chihaya is boring. "I want to sing waah waaah"

 

[Hellsing321]

Alright Anime-Gaf, I haven't watched much anime for the last few years and would like some recommendations. Here's a list of some stuff I've seen that I thought were great.

Honey and Clover.
Nana.
Ghost in the Shell.
Akira.
Nodame Cantible.
Gurren Laggan.
FLCL.
Berserk.
Deathnote (well, part of it at least)
PlanetES.

Any recommendations would be appreciated!

Check out Wandering Son, Spice and Wolf, and Baccano.

 

[Jex]

I'm gonna watch Angel Beats after Simoun.

Seems like that's a bit of a downgrade in terms of quality and scope. I guess Simoun represents a show with a premise that really could have, or even should have, made a really dumb show, but somehow that didn't happen.

 

[Uchip]

Hasn't that already been going on forever?

I was confused when i saw this
and was almost tempted to buy one out of shear obscurity

 

[survivor]

No I've been wondering about that song for a while now, they played it once or twice before a few episodes back as well.

Just searched through entire youtube looking for it and no luck so far. I did however find this cool song from the OST

 

[Jex]

Hideaki Anno is the George Lucas of the animu industry?

Only if he goes back and physically alters the original versions of Evangelion. So it's not really the same thing.

 

[7Th]

No I didn't. I'm saying they're shallow characters. Are they or are they not? I say, yes. The mental gymnastics you're doing to defend your favorite show is ridiculous especially when its not even necessary since no one in their right mind would defend characterization as a positive for Idolmaster.

Are they shallower than the average anime character? I wouldn't even say that they're more shallow than the characters in Madoka or Hanasaku Iroha. And I WOULD defend characterization and acting as a positive for Idolmaster because the show does a great job of making the characters believable by making ALL 13 OF THEM interact with each other in different and unique ways, by giving them reactions that go beyond what you would expect from their basic "archetype" and by making sure to give every single one of them well-defined mannerisms and acting traits through animation.

This isn't even my favorite show, I don't even even like it better than Panty & Stocking. I just hate reductionism and I'm annoyed when people try to use it as a valid argument.

 

[Articalys]

I was confused when i saw this
and was almost tempted to buy one out of shear obscurity

Why does the sign have to clarify and emphasize that the cans contain bread?

 

[Lafiel]

Yeah I saw Episode 4 the other day. Chihaya is boring. "I want to sing waah waaah"

It sounds like you can't get past your initial prejudice for the characters of the show; and simply can't enjoy them for how they're executed!

Only if he goes back and physically alters the original versions of Evangelion. So it's not really the same thing.

Who knows, he could always go back and re-do all the mechanical animation for the original series and replace it with CG to achieve consistency for rebuild!

 

[7Th]

TYeah I saw Episode 4 the other day. Chihaya is boring. "I want to sing waah waaah"

There is no way to interprete this sentence that isn't "reductionism".

 

[shintoki]

They want to make you watch the live action.

Do not play coy with me. My flames of moe shall leave you burnt.

 

[Jex]

I was confused when i saw this
and was almost tempted to buy one out of shear obscurity

There's like, hundreds of different pieces of Eva merch, thats hardly being the strangest one.

 

[cajunator]

The Tatami Galaxy Ep. 1 ~4 min. in

Slow the fuck down! @_@

Wat

Lol. yeah I had to pause a couple time to get past that part.
I'm on episode 2 now.

 

[Uchip]

This isn't even my favorite show, I don't even even like it better than Panty & Stocking. I just hate reductionism and I'm annoyed when people try to use it as a valid argument.

and the contrary would be delusions of grandeur
which is no better

There's like, hundreds of different pieces of Eva merch, thats hardly being the strangest one.

Oh i know
there were breast mouse pads and disembodied lower halves of characters (creepy)
the canned bread is the only one that i would have considered buying though

Why does the sign have to clarify and emphasize that the cans contain bread?

So that english speakers know wtf they are buying?

 

[Jex]

Who knows; he could always go back and re-do all the mechanical animation for the original series and replace it with CG to achieve consistency for rebuild!

I honestly don't think he cares enough to do anything apart from through them out on Blu-Ray one day.

 

[Instro]

Alright Anime-Gaf, I haven't watched much anime for the last few years and would like some recommendations. Here's a list of some stuff I've seen that I thought were great.

Honey and Clover.
Nana.
Ghost in the Shell.
Akira.
Nodame Cantible.
Gurren Laggan.
FLCL.
Berserk.
Deathnote (well, part of it at least)
PlanetES.

Any recommendations would be appreciated!

Here you go: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=414748

Off hand some of personal favorite shows of the last 4-5 years would be Dennou Coil, Baccano, Durarara, Mononoke, Kaiji, Golgo 13, Spice & Wolf, Kimi Ni Todoke, etc.

 

[7Th]

Weird official Evangelion merchandise time?

 

[Jex]

Lol. yeah I had to pause a couple time to get past that part.
I'm on episode 2 now.

To be fair, it does slow down quite a bit.

 

[Geneijin]

I don't think tropes mean what you think they mean. They're exactly that: characteristics. It's not an end-all label. Tropes are just a fancy name (or, rather, a word label) to characteristics. Some of them may encompass an entire cliché or archetype (tsundere, for instance) but they're not the end of everything.

Tropes != clichés; clichés are composed of tropes but the latter isn't true. Or, rather, cliché itself is a trope that has been done to death and becomes trite, predictable, and ultimately distracting due to it's nature.

Really, though, I can see how if you do think that tropes = clichés that everything you said is basically true. I just don't view them as the same way. They're pieces of the whole, not the whole thing.

Though, I do agree that tropes/TVTropes list of tropes are basically now-a-days kind of used as a paint by numbers thing for characters/shows/etc. rather than just the kind of fun labels they once were.

Best way to think of tropes really.

For the VAs, or for me taking the picture?

Here's what they looked like on stage, if you'll excuse my horrible photography skills:

Hm...

 

[zeroshiki]

It sounds like you can't get past your initial prejudice for the characters of the show; and simply can't enjoy them for how they're executed!

Nah, I like some of the characters like tsundere, sleepy girl and poor girl. Just that they had the bad luck of choosing 2 incredibly boring characters to focus on the first 4 episodes.

There is no way to interprete this sentence that isn't "reductionism".

If you can't differentiate an obvious offhand joke versus my earlier points and try to find equivalency in them then more power to you.

 

[Jex]

In 1997 an official book describes

"...cards, posters, toys, models (fifty different figurines of Rei alone—plug suit Reis; school uniform [standard and Episode 26] Reis; swimsuit Reis; not to forget the inevitable hospital gurney Rei and summer-fireworks-festival-yukata Rei), videos, CD-ROMs, games, books, manga, "official" fan comics (doujinshi) collections, T-shirts, bags, caps, ties (Kaji's), gloves (Misato's), wearable plug suits (Rei's; wouldn't Asuka's have been more appropriate?),[22] keychains, pins, watches, bookmarks, stationery, pens, pencils, rubber stamps, a Progressive Knife shaped knife, binders, wallets, floppy disks, mice, lighters, mugs,[23] coasters, a Spear of Longinus-shaped fork, SEELE "Sound Only" speakers, washtubs and soap, towels, umbrellas, fans, postcards, laminated cards, playing cards, phone cards... None of this, by the way, covers the rare Evangelion items—they get their own, 13-page section.

And more recently - "As of 2007, NGE merchandise is estimated at over 6,000 distinct items"

 

[cajunator]

I made it through Excel Saga subbed so I feel I can get through anything at this point.
I am a pretty fast reader though, so that doesn't hurt.

 

[Dresden]

But are there NERV condoms?

 

[Jex]

Kaiji S2 22:

omg, still not going in! Argh! The wait is killing me.

Week to week rather than marathon is the real killer.

 

[iavi]

Aren't we debating the characters right now? All I said was that you can't just say "this character was created with a clear intention, any attempts to justify said intention are just fluff and should be ignored accordingly"; that's just unjustifiable.

You're, for some incredible reason, debating IM@S characters. All I'm saying was that your bringing up Persona was useless to your case.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

In 1997 an official book describes



And more recently - "As of 2007, NGE merchandise is estimated at over 6,000 distinct items"

"Merchandising! Merchandising! Where the real money from the show is made! We put the show's name on everything!"

 

[Geneijin]

I don't know if I should be disappointed or furious right now. I ordered the Mushishi DVDs from Amazon, and I when I got them the first disk didn't work. It seemed to have some sort of film or something in spots on the back that I couldn't get off.

So I asked for a new copy, and now it has arrived fourteen days later. When I looked at the condition of the first disk, it looks spotless... and now my PS2 is telling me that it is Unable to read the disk. Goddammit.

I'm hoping it's not my PS2, though I'm beginning to think it is.

Depends. Which is greater: your eventual loss of the PS2 or being unable to watch Mushishi right now?

I'd be more sad for losing my PS2 frankly.

 

[7Th]

You're, for some incredible reason, debating IM@S characters. All I'm saying was that your bringing up Persona was useless to your case.

I was just asking why "intention" somehow undermines the characters by brining a case in which characters that were created with the exact same "intention" are somehow allowed to have deep.

If you can't differentiate an obvious offhand joke versus my earlier points and try to find equivalency in them then more power to you.

How are you so sure I wasn't making a joke? ;>

 

[Jex]

I find the drawn out nature of the show to be more of an annoyance than a means of tension building :/ If the bog arch isn't resolved in next week's episode, I'm going to be pretty ticked off...

With four episodes left that seems a little unlikely.

 

[Uchip]

no problem with tropes
its when a single one defines a character it becomes cheap/shallow
which is often the case with shows like k-on and idolmaster; in which ive seen more diverse emotion from Finn and Jake.

 

[Articalys]

Best way to think of tropes really.


Hm...

Just covering all the possible bases of the statement.

Anyway, here, have a cool Princess Mononoke-inspired wall mural from the same event.