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Summer 2011 Anime Thread II of IKUHARA'S RETURN, Penguins, and Idols
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Jexhius said:
Ok, yeah. That about matches up with what I had in mind. And I agree with you on the definition of 'direction'. I don't, however, agree that the direction in Redline was good, at all. The editing was sporadic--intentionally so in many areas, but it spilled into areas that didn't call for it--the camerawork in the latter half was messy and relied on the viewer to mentally 'fill in the blanks' so to speak, and really; everything about that second half fell apart, now that I think about it. It's really is a posterchild for the saying: "All style no substance."
And on the topic of characters...Just because it's an action film? Since when has that been a free pass to pump out cardboard cutouts for protagonists--as exaggerated as they may be?
Femmeworth
Banned
The Girl Who Leapt Through Time
It was good, better than Summer Wars, but still not all that great.
I don't think Satoko Okudera is a very good writer. I really like Mamoru Hosoda's style, but he needs to work with a better writer.
It was good, better than Summer Wars, but still not all that great.
I felt that the movie lost all momentum once it was revealed that Chiaki was from the future. My suspension of disbelief kind of broke at that moment and couldn't rebuild itself by the end of the movie. The relationship between Chiaki and Makoto wasn't developed well enough for the ending to have much impact on me. I didn't understand his last words to her or the whole deal with the painting. Also, Makoto's crying scenes were kind of awkward.
I watched the movie just so I could say, "What the hell are talking about?"Sennorin said:
Unknown Soldier
Banned
Branduil said:
Unless they change the story of the anime from the manga, well...
Jex
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I'm not even sure what your complaint is.Miri said:
Are you complaining that they have like, 0 character? Because that wouldn't be true. At all.
Or are you complaining that an action movie has action movie characters and not more fleshed out characters? Because that complaint is rather misguided. They're not being given a free pass in any particular sense.
If the characters in an action movie are annoying or get the movie focuses on particular aspects of them to the extent that it becomes boring or pointless then they have failed pretty miserably. If they're crazy over the top caricatures doing crazy over the top amazing things in a totally ridiculous movie then how is that not the perfect fit? This is what I was talking about by saying that characters have to match the movies that they are in.
Femmeworth
Banned
Branduil said:
I wanted to like it.Unknown Soldier
Banned
Simoun 7:
Okay, 6 episodes was more than enough to develop several of the most important characters. It's go-time for the main storyline!
A few words about Mamiina and Yun:
Joining Chor Tempest from the Arcus Niger are these two, who normally fly together. Mamiima is notable for being a commoner, and from a poor family. She is one of the few Sibylla in this show who is not from a family with a lineage of being Sibylla. Yun is more mysterious, but she is notable for being quiet, serious, and extremely religious. She likes to sing hymns before going to sleep. The Hymn of Tempus Spatium is actually both a song composed for the show (you can hear it in it's entirety on disc 2 of the soundtrack performed by Rodoreamon's seiyuu) and also a musical theme which is woven into the show's entire soundtrack, and you hear Yun sing it during the show.
This episode has such a large number of critically important events to just the immediate storyline, but also to the entire overarching plot, that it really does represent the beginning of everything.
There is a very good reason why Plumbum Highlanders and Simulacrum Holy Landers have a very similar religious origin. You can basically think of Plumbum's "Animus" and Simulacrum's "Tempus Spatium" as the same God of entirely different derived religious traditions, in much the same way Allah, God, and Jehovah are all the same Gods from the Abrahamic tradition but were derived into Islam, Christianity, and Judaism respectively. I'm not purposely drawing parallels to those particular religions for no reason either. That comparison is absolutely intentional and purposeful.
The theme of religious warfare mainly applies to dealings between Simulcrum and Plumbum, whereas the dealings between Simulacrum and Argentum tend more towards themes of imperialism and industrialism. Whereas Simulacrum and Plumbum are clearly engaged in the sort of war that Christians and Muslims have been fighting for centuries, Simulacrum and Argentum are engaged in a war more reminiscent of a small, magic-centric, peaceful kingdom against a large imperialist empire with an industrial war machine. See any and every JRPG for more information, or Star Wars.
Episode Summary:
Okay, 6 episodes was more than enough to develop several of the most important characters. It's go-time for the main storyline!
A few words about Mamiina and Yun:
Joining Chor Tempest from the Arcus Niger are these two, who normally fly together. Mamiima is notable for being a commoner, and from a poor family. She is one of the few Sibylla in this show who is not from a family with a lineage of being Sibylla. Yun is more mysterious, but she is notable for being quiet, serious, and extremely religious. She likes to sing hymns before going to sleep. The Hymn of Tempus Spatium is actually both a song composed for the show (you can hear it in it's entirety on disc 2 of the soundtrack performed by Rodoreamon's seiyuu) and also a musical theme which is woven into the show's entire soundtrack, and you hear Yun sing it during the show.
This episode has such a large number of critically important events to just the immediate storyline, but also to the entire overarching plot, that it really does represent the beginning of everything.
There is a very good reason why Plumbum Highlanders and Simulacrum Holy Landers have a very similar religious origin. You can basically think of Plumbum's "Animus" and Simulacrum's "Tempus Spatium" as the same God of entirely different derived religious traditions, in much the same way Allah, God, and Jehovah are all the same Gods from the Abrahamic tradition but were derived into Islam, Christianity, and Judaism respectively. I'm not purposely drawing parallels to those particular religions for no reason either. That comparison is absolutely intentional and purposeful.
The theme of religious warfare mainly applies to dealings between Simulcrum and Plumbum, whereas the dealings between Simulacrum and Argentum tend more towards themes of imperialism and industrialism. Whereas Simulacrum and Plumbum are clearly engaged in the sort of war that Christians and Muslims have been fighting for centuries, Simulacrum and Argentum are engaged in a war more reminiscent of a small, magic-centric, peaceful kingdom against a large imperialist empire with an industrial war machine. See any and every JRPG for more information, or Star Wars.
Episode Summary:
Chor Tempest are assigned to practice the Dandelion Ri Maajon, an old ceremonial Ri Maajon customarily used to welcome foreign guests of honor. They are doing this because the Arcus Prima is being re-routed from it's station to rendevous with diplomats from the Plumbum Highlands to negotiate a peace treaty.
Halconf (Neviril's father, and a member of the Theocracy's Grand Council) boards the Arcus Prima from the Arcus Niger, along with other council members and Mamiina and Yun. Mamiina and Yun are assigned to Chor Tempest in order to bring their Chor back to the full strength of 12 members. Halconf is under a great deal of pressure to get his daughter, the Sibylla Aurea, back in the cockpit and flying again. He is also unhappy that his daughter's Chor has had such a precipitous drop in reputation recently.
He assigns Mamiina to be Neviril's pair, entirely against her wishes. This rouses Aaeru's hackles. Mamiina tries and fails to convince Neviril to be her pair, and then confronts Aaeru in the Maaju pool. The two come to blows and have to be pulled apart, much to the dismay of everyone involved. In a fury, Halconf declares that after the peace negotiations, Chor Tempest is to be disbanded and he will send his daughter to the Spring whether she likes it not rather than have her (and his!) name be sullied any further.
The diplomatic party from Plumbum arrives at the rendevous point, and the episode ends. To be continued.
Halconf (Neviril's father, and a member of the Theocracy's Grand Council) boards the Arcus Prima from the Arcus Niger, along with other council members and Mamiina and Yun. Mamiina and Yun are assigned to Chor Tempest in order to bring their Chor back to the full strength of 12 members. Halconf is under a great deal of pressure to get his daughter, the Sibylla Aurea, back in the cockpit and flying again. He is also unhappy that his daughter's Chor has had such a precipitous drop in reputation recently.
He assigns Mamiina to be Neviril's pair, entirely against her wishes. This rouses Aaeru's hackles. Mamiina tries and fails to convince Neviril to be her pair, and then confronts Aaeru in the Maaju pool. The two come to blows and have to be pulled apart, much to the dismay of everyone involved. In a fury, Halconf declares that after the peace negotiations, Chor Tempest is to be disbanded and he will send his daughter to the Spring whether she likes it not rather than have her (and his!) name be sullied any further.
The diplomatic party from Plumbum arrives at the rendevous point, and the episode ends. To be continued.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
ninj4junpei is a horrible person. HORRIBLE.
You didn't understand
?
Basically he just
also, the show is called THE GIRL WHO LEAPT THROUGH TIME. Did you not expect time travelling of some sort?
Now regarding
I agree it was a bit quick and forced but not wholly unbelievable.
the painting's significance to Chiaki
Basically he just
really liked it and wanted to see it, but it was destroyed in the future.
Now regarding
the relationship between Chiaki and Makoto
It's one of my favorite movies ever, so I'm afraid I have no choice but to defend it to the death. It's not perfect, of course, but what is?ninj4junpei said:
ninj4junpei said:
I don't really see why that particular moment would break your suspension of disbelief. There were hints about it beforehand you can see if you watch it again.
I thought it was very naturally developed. I mean Makoto and her relationships with the other characters is pretty much the whole movie.
I'm not sure what's not to understand?
Well, people don't always cry in cinematically appealing ways.
Femmeworth
Banned
;_;InfiniteNine said:
bigmakattack
Banned
ninj4junpei said:
The crying scenes didn't really feel awkward to me and they certainly felt appropriate. The minute long scene of her running near the end. I hate watching that bit as it felt so unneeded.
Unknown Soldier
Banned
Jexhius said:
Well, some of those other people should probably be working on it then, shouldn't they? :|
Aigis said:
I'm guessing it will keep going down until the final disc finally sells, after which it will go out of print.
The trick is to be the guy who buys the final disc in order to the get the maximum discount! Just don't be the guy after that guy! :3
Unknown Soldier said:
I've seen Simoun, but I honestly don't think it's as strong a show as a lot of people think it is. It's alright and all that, but whilst it's been a good few years since I saw it, I remember feeling the show had some problems in maintaining consistency of characterisation for a few cast members.
Crash Station
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Koutetsushin Jeeg 3
Has your mech arm just been severed? Don't fret! You can still use it as a weapon! Just pick it up with your other arm and slam that bad boy into whatever pisses you off!
Has your mech arm just been severed? Don't fret! You can still use it as a weapon! Just pick it up with your other arm and slam that bad boy into whatever pisses you off!
Unknown Soldier
Banned
DiGiKerot said:
I would be interested in seeing what you had to say. Why don't you watch it again with me?
Probably. I actually found out that this is a reprint (with a standard BD case instead of a cool box, and the same MSRP. Bandai Visual lol) too. It probably got reprinted and sold to the few fans who missed it the first time around (or didn't because it has less collectible packaging so they just bought the previous release second hand as it was clear that the cool version wasn't getting reprinted) and nobody else, so Amazon is probably like "fuck, we gotta offload this shit. nobody is going to buy an old movie for this price unless they're megafans with deep wallets, and they likely already have it. just keep slashing the price and capture people at different pricepoints until we run out."Unknown Soldier said:
Makes sense.
Crash Station
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Jexhius said:
Don't have a ton of experience with Super Robot, so forgive me if I get a little excited over displays of hot blooded badassery.
Mawaru Penguindrum 08
I had read what available on the series up to this point, and after this I stopped, so everything here on out is new to me. I'm quite excited. Also the Dear Future ED Single was released and man... I love shoegrazing now.
Besides the fact that this show is slowly fulfilling me with (twisted thoughts) wishing I was in Tabuki's situation with Ringo, I like that Shouma finally cracked mentally against Ringo and well... probably his femur or something else when he got hit by that car.
I had read what available on the series up to this point, and after this I stopped, so everything here on out is new to me. I'm quite excited. Also the Dear Future ED Single was released and man... I love shoegrazing now.
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